krishna's argument

Same thing can be viewed in many ways.

If we follow epic, Karna had performed the same feat in the rangbhoomi which Arjun had performed and then Karna challenged Arjun because duel had already done between Duryodhan and Bhim. So its not wrong to challenge Arjun. When Arjun decline to have duel fight on the basis of caste then Duryodhan give him Angaraj. So it was just like a PURUSHKAR given by the king or son of king for his skill/hardwork. Though he can refuse it but it was difficult to refuse anything which was given by King/Son of King. How many of you will refuse award/gift given by government???

Second thing is loyality. One can see loyality towards friendship and other can see loyality towards the country which give him(Karn) many thing including money, power and respect. So it was King decision whether to return Indraprasth to pandav or not, Karn was fighting like another soldier of Hastinapur.

Now come to DAAN. People give charity to obtain punya, swarg after death, to repent for their sin, name & fame, or to fulfil vow. How many of you just do charity for only help to others/poor and it doesn't bother you whether you will go to hell/heaven?

For me Daan was in the nature of Karn. Two incident support my point. First when a boy demanded the same ghee which he had fallen and Karn smash the mud to obtain that ghee and got curse. Second when Kunti came he spare 4 pandav life. It was not written how Karn and Duryodhan was as a king but Lord Krishna offer Hastinapur as a King to Karna. So we can assume he was good King. And giving charity to poor brahmin (those who are meditating all the day to obtain spiritual knowledge) is the highest form of charity.

Krishna saying was right if Karna does not have dream of becoming the best archer rather choose his skill/hardwork for greater cause to estabalish Dharma then it will be more fruitful but Krishna didn't tell him how he could do so. To establish dharma was a job of King. How single Karna without army can do so???

Originally posted by: TheDreamCatcher

I agree to everything what StarKrishna said.

i completely have to disagree with ⭐️Krishna's GG!!! 👎🏼

Not just in Karna's case but Drona's and Bhishma's too.

I don't remember the GG he gave Bhishma.. but in case of Drona too i disagree coz he didnt put forth some real mistakes of Drona..like about Ekalavya!

There are many distortions in the show, but these distortions are the best and i had not problems with them because they exactly conveyed where the three maharathis were wrong in their life.

Karna didnt die of parshurama's curse, he died because it is the law of nature that the knowledge obtained with treachery will fail or it has to fail.

Seriously??? What option was left for Karna to pursue knowledge? when there is no one willing to teach you, the only option he had was lie! and I don't call it Treachery!!! He was very Loyal student.. if not then why would he bear the pain of scorpion's bite for his Guru? I wonder always why Parashurama never saw his goodness before cursing!

Karna was the chosen one.

He was inflicted the pain of the caste system so that he could help the other people who have gone through it.

When he himself was not accepted, you expect he could go around and uplift others?

He was to help sutas, not to take revenge against the privileged.

He never went to take revenge against the privilege, all he wanted was to prove his capabilities and talent

If an SC/ST/OBC person is not allowed to enter the temples will he fight for his rights or kill the people who have got the privilege of entering? Dr.B.R.Ambedkar fought for the rights, hence today there are reservation systems which helped crores of underprivileged and discriminated people of centuries to lead a respectful life. Why didn't Karna do such a thing?

Karna was only fighting for his right.. when society is not ready to accept him, when society discriminates him and not let him pursue his dream, he fought against it.. I would say Karna was the first person who fought against caste system!!! first give him his right!

Instead of doing "daan" to the brahmins for his own personal "punya"

a person who is called "Daanveer" doesn't give daan keeping in mind to gain some 'punya' then he would have never given his Kavach Kundal! What I felt from that GG was that Cvs through Star krishna mocked a noble quality of his

he could have used that wealth for developing infrastructure, giving education which was restricted to the princes and other facilities for the sutas and empower them. But he didnt do them. Hence Krishna's argument was justified in everyway.

So basically ua saying that karna should have done some service in NGO giving up his dreams? Well if someone comes n tell me to give up my dreams n do service I would never agree!!! there is no harm in being ambitious or in dreaming to achieve sometjhing!!