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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: srishtisingh

one thing I don't understand is why this question arises? it was a war! ofcourse people will b killed. if we are talking abt saving why only abhimanyu why not other people should also b saved? though abhimanyu is my fav character after krishna and his death pains me alot but in a war people do die, irrespective of whether they are good or bad or innocent or young!

That;s the whole discussion topic.ANyone else's death was not so important-Abhimanyu was catalysing force for PAndavas to come out of their shells& actually fight-they still had feelings for all except Duryodhan& his 99 brothers& were not fighting the war seriously at all inspite of Krishna's continuous nudge-His death changed all that-maybe even if he was wounded Pandav would'nt have been stirred at all.The death is not merely death but has an innermeaning-God always gives everyone chance to change according to his destiny/karma,But if the person does'nt heed to his words-God creates circumstances which are sometimes painful to make the person realise his karma as the PAndavas did painfully when Abhi was killed!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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india2050

I tend to agree w/ your assessment. I also think it's a shame that the Pandavas needed Abhi's death as a wake-up call. As though the deaths of other youthful warriors in the war till that point wasn't important.

Virata - the ruler who had sheltered them for a year, given them his daughter in marriage lost 3 of his sons in the war - 2 on day 1 itself. Satyaki, who was their biggest contributor outside the family, lost 10 of his sons in the war on day 5 or 6. Arjun himself lost Iravana - the son of the wife he never cared for to date. Shikhandi lost his son in battle, and a number of young Panchala princes were slain by Drona or Ashwi. All these sacrifices by their friends should have been enough to embarrass the Pandavas, and kick them into high gear.

It's a shame that it took Abhimanyu's death to get them to do something they should have done much earlier. Had they done that, they could have gotten the war over w/ a lot sooner, and a lot less casualties on their end.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Makes you wonder if abhimanyu was killed within the first two days- arjun could have gone berzerk earlier and the war would have been over in 7-8 days. so many warriors would have survived..

Anyways, I really think that till day 13 , Arjuna was fighting against his brothers and uncles and relatives that he loved.
Abhimanyus death served as an eye opener and it helped in the transition of mentality from, "I am warring against relatives and loved ones" to "I am warring against enemies who will happily hurt and kill my family --brothers, sons and nephews."
Losing someone so dear at the hands of people he had been hesitating to kill due to love in some cases and just a sense of kinship in some others- put things in a new light for him.
The other side is fighting against enemies they WILL kill without any hesitation -- it was high time that he himself become an enemy and return the same favour.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Vrish - Fully agree. Why did they need such a blow?At least in that sense Kauravas didn't need shocks to make them realise. Karna was really strong...to fight against them though he knew they were his brothers..cos it was war.
Also if u talk abt breaking rules..many were broken by the Pandavas themselves. One of the biggest being the heroic Arjuna killed Karna frm behind..when he was disarmed..told by Krishna. So not a true warrior..

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Posted: 11 years ago
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ABHIMANYU'S DEATH WAS NECESSARY FOR SEVERAL REASONS BECAUSE ARJUNA WASNT FIGHTING WITH HIS FULL PROWESS IS ONE OF THE REASON...
I feel Arjuna as a kid was very much attached to Bheeshma and and his preceptor Drona also in the difficult circumstances of his childhood where there wernt really sure if they could survive to see next sunrise wherin Bheema was poisoned Bheeshma was their sole protector and Arjuna had a soft corner for both Bheeshma and Drona and hence was reluctant to fight them..
He was basically sensitive towards family and a generous person as such full of Humility and compassion ...Hence it was an eyeopener for him that his preceptor was an enemy who could slay his son and not just his teacher...
Yet it was hard for him to compose himself after Drona's death aswell...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Though I guess, many deaths do seem pointless -- but in war people get killed regardless of the fact that they deserved it or not.
Pandavas just had to get rid of duri,dushi, karna and shakuni -- a full on war with millions of death could have been avoided and seems pointless.They could have just finished off the infamous four by other means -- poisoning with smoke,food -- roasting them alive in a burning chamber -preferably drunk and passed out and feed them to bheems in laws.
Viola,so many lives saved. The new generation kids on both the sides alive and well.

Too bad they weren't up for such lowly tricks.
In the end, there were many deaths by unfair means.
Abhimanyu,though was a true causality with his brothers and many cousins on the other side.

Abhimanyu and his step brothers from mother and father --their death seems most unfair.up pandavas survived the war till the end and weren't even killed on the field.abhimanyu had to be put down in such a lowly way of damn cowards.
Their only fault was their relation to the pandavas.
They were not a part of the fued between the members of the generation before them.

Due to this I never feel any remorse for the way dronacharya was killed regardless of the respect I have.
Duryodhana,Karna,Dusasan died pathetic deaths -- What happens to abhimanyu was just one of the many reasons that they deserved it. Bheem and Arjun did not need abhimanyu as a reason-- they had plenty but it must have served as fuel nonethless.Only if aswatthama was killed like that too--krishnas curse to him pacifies me though.And shakuni deserved an unfair death too.
At least they got to die on the battlefield and not killed in their sleep or in some other stupid way.Even that seems too good for them.
it is laughable that after being nothing but unfair to some people all their life you demand fairness from them in your last moments.Krishna had laughed and said the same thing to karna.yudhishtira properly shut during up by reminding him how he and his minions killed abhimanyu when duri said that it was unfair how he was against so many of them.what a j******.even then they all didn't attack him together.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Medha.S

Though I guess, many deaths do seem pointless -- but in war people get killed regardless of the fact that they deserved it or not.
Pandavas just had to get rid of duri,dushi, karna and shakuni -- a full on war with millions of death could have been avoided and seems pointless.They could have just finished off the infamous four by other means -- poisoning with smoke,food -- roasting them alive in a burning chamber -preferably drunk and passed out and feed them to bheems in laws.
Viola,so many lives saved. The new generation kids on both the sides alive and well.


Too bad they weren't up for such lowly tricks.
In the end, there were many deaths by unfair means.
Abhimanyu,though was a true causality with his brothers and many cousins on the other side.

Abhimanyu and his step brothers from mother and father --their death seems most unfair.up pandavas survived the war till the end and weren't even killed on the field.abhimanyu had to be put down in such a lowly way of damn cowards.
Their only fault was their relation to the pandavas.
They were not a part of the fued between the members of the generation before them.

Due to this I never feel any remorse for the way dronacharya was killed regardless of the respect I have.
Duryodhana,Karna,Dusasan died pathetic deaths -- What happens to abhimanyu was just one of the many reasons that they deserved it. Bheem and Arjun did not need abhimanyu as a reason-- they had plenty but it must have served as fuel nonethless.Only if aswatthama was killed like that too--krishnas curse to him pacifies me though.And shakuni deserved an unfair death too.
At least they got to die on the battlefield and not killed in their sleep or in some other stupid way.Even that seems too good for them.
it is laughable that after being nothing but unfair to some people all their life you demand fairness from them in your last moments.Krishna had laughed and said the same thing to karna.yudhishtira properly shut during up by reminding him how he and his minions killed abhimanyu when duri said that it was unfair how he was against so many of them.what a j******.even then they all didn't attack him together.

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@ BOLD U cracked me at that Medha 🤣🤣
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Posted: 11 years ago
#28
See even Draupadhi's vastra-haran wasn't stopped by Shree Krishna until the final moment...lot of things were done to her and pandava's before that which was were equally cruel.
Draupadhi's vastra-haran became the foundation of mahabharata battle...because with out it Pandava's would not have attacked Kaurava's to stake their claim.

As for Abhimanyu i wouldn't say it was done to bring pandava's out of their comfort zones , because they had already killed their most beloved grand-father before it and bhim had killed 50+ kauravas by then.

So, they weren't lacking in conviction of war , but yes it became foundation of killing Dronacharya and Karna when they were weaponless.

Abhimanyu's brutal, cruel, in-human killing symbolizes what Kaurava's stood for and how brave Abhimanyu was!

Draupadhi's children getting killed lead to punishment of Ashwattama for betraying his father and being co-culprit in every heinous act of Duryodhana
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Posted: 11 years ago
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A war spares no one. And a mighty war waged to uproot the "Adharam" was sure to have spared no one. Everyone associated was affected. Yadavs too were destroyed. Pain, loss and grief was not partial to anyone. Yes Krishna could have saved Abhimanyu... but why only him? He had supreme powers... he alone was enough to wipe out the whole of Kauravas. But that wouldn't have been fair... He himself was not spared from the cycles of Destiny throughout the course of his mortal life.
As someone here mentioned that God never interferes in the free will nor in the sequence of events that entails thanks to the cause and effect nature of universe. The universe treats everyone well and equal, giving each person - good or bad equal opportunities and time to complete the quota of their doings by exercising their free will. But then there is a time reserved for everything.
More than waking up of Pandavas, i think Abhimanyu's death acted as the last nail in Kaurav's coffin. With the brutal killing of a teenager they had surpassed themselves and their quota of deeds accounting for their karma hastening their own defeat. Brutally killing the young lad in an unjust manner they undid the flurry of events and fastened the course of destiny leading to the events that brought their ultimate fall.


-Sonia
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Firstly ppl...on this pg mainly..Abhimanyu didn't die the way it is showed in the show.

Medha- Karna didn't deserve that death..for your info. It makes me laugh that u say Karna wasn't fair. He was always fair..but what he got was just bad. Krishna himself was scared of Karna..hence he planned to bring Ghatotkach..and asked Arjun to kill him frm behind. Arjun may b winning hero..but lot of ppl helped him and were on his side..Krishna being a major one.

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