A shameful victory for Pandavas

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sanayabarunlove

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Posted: 11 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: Ashwini_D

I am yet to come across a reference in the text which says that Krishna instigated the war for a better future or that Duryodhan was a tyrant and an oppressor of his subjects. Do post it here if you have read about it any translation 😊

every single incident that happened in mahabharata was krishna's doing. anyone who read the epic would understand that. and yes, duryodhana may not have been a tyrant, but a man who couldn't respect his own brother's wife, can't possibly be expected to respect a common subject!

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Posted: 11 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: fullhouse
I am not against any body, but a warrior like Bheeshm never deserved this...I really wish Vyasa could have given a respectful death to the great warrior

there was a reason that was given in bhagwat(book related to Lord Krishna) that bhishma on his deathbed asks Lord Krishna that why he is in this position -the answers given to bhishma in StarMB before only(his mistakes)were answered over here

Lord said-you didn't help Draupadi when you had the authority,power and in her most crucial time pandavas couldn't help her but you could so that is why this thing happened to you as you gave more importance to your pratigya rather than saving a lady's honour.

according to BR Chopra's MB -bhishma was one of the ashtavasus in previous birth and it was predicted that he will live a very long life

King Shantanu had a love at first sight with River Ganga and while propsing her she says-i'll only marry you if you never ask me a single question,and if you ask i'll leave you immediately,king soad yes thinking that what could be so serious,after they got married they had a son king was very happy but he then saw that Ganga is taking her son towards a river and she drops him in river,king becomes very shocked but recalls her words not to ask her question.Like this she puts her all 7 sons in river,finally one day King asks her the reason when she tries to drown her 8th son and she says that during our previous birth we were sitting in a sabha at Indralok (i think she is Lord Brahma's daughter, both of them stare in each other's eyes and a breeze comes due to which her pallu flies a bit ,all the kings at sabha look down so not to stare at her,but Shantanu n Ganga River were so engrossed in each other's eyes that they didn't even notice this thing its then when Lord Brahma curse both of them to spent their next birth as a human being on earth,while proceding towards thier next birth 8 ashtavasus tell Ganga that they also got cursed (i don't know the reason) and they don't want to spent their lives as human so all those 8 n Ganga decide that they will be born from her womb and she will drown them in river so they are free from curse(born as human but early death) but its was predicted that the 8th ashtavasu will have a very long life and so this 8th ashtavasu is bhishma!

and during his death time-he used to hear for his remaining days that what happened in yudh as he wanted to surrender Hastinapur's throne to dharma(yudhishthir) and as he had icha mrityu vardaan he wanted to confirm that throne is given to dharma which means his duty towards the throne is over now and thus he takes his last breath

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Arijit

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Posted: 11 years ago

#43

not yaduvanshis, nandita, they were ashtavasus.

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Nikhita

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Posted: 11 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: Arijit007
not yaduvanshis, nandita, they were ashtavasus.

oh sorry i remembered it that way😆

by the way its nikita n not nandita

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#45

Originally posted by: sanayabarunlove

every single incident that happened in mahabharata was krishna's doing. anyone who read the epic would understand that. and yes, duryodhana may not have been a tyrant, but a man who couldn't respect his own brother's wife, can't possibly be expected to respect a common subject!

i agree with ashwini here i dont think there is any citation in the epic that indicated that duryodhan was a bad king

yes he did treat draupadi badly but one incident doesn't mean he was disrespectful to all women.I mean even pandav's staked drauapadi didn't help her but that doesn't mean they didn't love her they did of course they did.

Same with duryodhan yes he did disrespect draupadi but not because she is a woman only becuase she was pandavas wife and he wanted to hurt pandavs so this is no indication that duryodhan disrespected all the women of the society atleast there is no citation in the epic that indicated duryodhan was a bad king if there is please share

and please dont think i am saying duryodhan was great i am not pandavas were definitely more righteous than duryodhan.But whether a common person was unhappy under dury and happier under yudhishtir there is no way to know that

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Posted: 11 years ago

#46

Personally i think krishna ji had a greator purpose behind this war which is indicated later when vyasa goes to meet dhritrashtra

vyasa tells him that vishnu ji promised mother earth that he will reduce her burden by killing kshatariya's so they shouldn't feel bad as all of this was god's plan

so yes krishna ji definitely had a greater purpose in this war than to solve the feud between two cousins

but as far as pandavas were concerned they weren't fighting for this purpose or the greator good atleast i don't remember krishna ji ever telling them fight for the gretor good etc if there is a citation please let me know

pandavs fought this war to get back their kingdom and for their personal justice(and there is nothing wrong with this) every human being has a right to fight for their justice which pandavas did

if their aim was to fight for greator good or for the sake of society why would they ever initiate peace process?they initiated peace process because they never wanted the war but since dury refused to give them anything they had to fight for their personal justice

and i dont think there is anything that panadavs did wrong by fighting for their justice

but yes the other fact is also that in their war for personal justice a lot of innocent lives were lost and even panadavs lost a lot

that is why mahabahrat is so complicated nothing is completely right or wrong

pandavas fighting for their justice is right but there is a dark side to this as well is that it destroyed entire aryavrat

that is why mahabharat is not a simple epic

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Crazypheonix008

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Posted: 11 years ago

#47

It is a bit hard to believe that people can just pop out of fire and that too fully grown. So beleiving the characters actually existed is a bit hard for me. Also all the characters in Mahabharat have gray shades. All of them have done things in the epic that are shameful. Some more than others

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Ashwini_D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: sanayabarunlove

every single incident that happened in mahabharata was krishna's doing. anyone who read the epic would understand that. and yes, duryodhana may not have been a tyrant, but a man who couldn't respect his own brother's wife, can't possibly be expected to respect a common subject!

Krishna appears quite late in the story- right after the Draupadi swayamvar. So saying that every single incident happened because of him is not entirely correct. What i meant in my post, was that Krishna, while counselling the Pandavas, did not have any greater good in mind, but did the things he did to give justice to the Pandavas. Also, he had some personal scores to settle too. He used the Pandavas to bring down Jarasandh, a powerful king in India at that time, who had captured Mathura and driven away the Yadavas to the island city of Dwarka. The Mahabharata has a lot of political subtext if it is read carefully, apart from the religious overtones.

Please note that even Karna is hailed as a tragic hero in spite of being effectively behind the vastraharan, as he was the one who brought up the idea. Do you hear people saying that Karna was a misogynist too? Not really, because such a conclusion does not have conclusive evidence. Duryodhan did not insult and humiliate Draupadi because she was a woman, but because she was the common wife of all the Pandavas and by that period's standards, a sign of their glory and prestige. His main aim was to humiliate all the Pandavas and take their kingdom away from them, and what better way to to do this than publicly insult Draupadi?

Also please do not go by what the screen-adaptations show in this respect, they have gotten a lot of things wrong.

Edited by Ashwini_D - 11 years ago

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Arijit

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Posted: 11 years ago

#49

i agree with that ashwini, but, krishna had put everything at it's place after he entered in the story,

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Posted: 11 years ago

#50

Originally posted by: frappie
and as I mentioned before I am glad Paandavas learnt at the end of the day that unrighteous people should be treated in Unrighteous way...

Was that really the lesson they learnt at the end of the day ?

I would put it differently. They learnt they had to overcome their emotional ties with their opponents in battle for the greater good.