Karna: Does He Deserve So Much Respect??[DT Note Page 15] - Page 16

Originally posted by: Cotswolds

It does not say anything about pandavas murdered Nishada deliberately. Pandavas burnt house to purely kill Purochana which I admit.. Does not look like they were aware of other casualties.. It was their bad luck.

Originally posted by: amritat

Karna does try to put some sense into Duryodhan. But one thing I don't understand.

Was he trying to tell Duryodhan tthat he needs to do something that is less subtle to harm the Pandavas, or was he trying to tell him, "Stop all this. It's no use. Leave the Pandavas alone."

It is not clear.

I would really like someone to clear this doubt, from a neutral point of view. 😊

Originally posted by: Cotswolds

This is excerpt of Karna chiding Dury when he wants to harm Pandavas after Drau marriage.. Karna says that it was Dury's ideas which went haywire..

Originally posted by: smrth

So now it's neither Shakuni nor Karna but some obscure Kanika who hatched the plot!! Interpreting Karna is so informative...to twist and spin facts in thousands way. Some hard facts;

1) Dhritrashtra called Kanika but never for any specific plot. Neither Kanika plotted anything. Probably he was never even aware of Varnavat. All he said to Dhrit was in form of a general ill advise. No specific mean.

2) The plot was hatched by Karna and Shakuni as chief architects..." The wicked Duryodhana be holding Bhimsena surpass in strength ans Arjuna highly accomplished in arms became pensive and sad. Then Karna offspring of the Sun, and Sakuni, the son of Suvala, endeavoured by various means to compass death of the Pandavas..."

3) What is more- even after Kanika's 'so called' evil advise, Dhrit has NOT bought it outright..

"King Dhritarashtra whose knowledge only was his eyes, on hearing these words of his son and recollecting everything that Kanika had, said unto him, became afflicted with sorrow, and his mind also thereupon began to waver..."

4) The assassination plot was hatched out by the famous four and only by them...

"Then Duryodhana and Karna, and Sakuni, the son of Suvala, and Duhsasana as their fourth, held a consultation together. Prince Duryodhana said unto Dhritarashtra, 'Send, O father, by some clever contrivance, the Pandavas to the town of Varanavata. We shall then have no fear of them.' Dhritarashtra, on hearing these words uttered by his son, reflected for a moment and replied unto Duryodhana, saying, 'Pandu, ever devoted to virtue, always behaved dutifully towards all his relatives but particularly towards me..."

Again it was Quartet which got him around. To acquit evil quartet of this heinous crime by producing a proxy is like divesting authorship of MB. Refusing to see in the broad daylight.

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

Cots.. I agree it is not about deliberately killing Nishadas.. but it clearly says that it was burnt after all inmates slept.. Dont tell me they thought Purochana was the only cohabitant of the house.. They wanted Purochana killed so they dint mind the others being killed along with them.. the attitude like in a war or something like that..

Originally posted by: Rehanism

@Medha.S : That part where Karna says that as long as the Pandas are destitute in forest, the Kauravas are a match for them may be understood in light of the fact that after Rajsuya, Pandas had practically all of the country's kings, warlords and armies behind them. So indeed the Kaurava forces were no match for the Emperor and his allies all over the land (in case of an open conflict) till that point. Karna's logic is similar to what Krishna schemed with respect to Jarasandha. However the dynamics changed when Karna himself subjugated all those kings and turned the table on Kaurava's favour and the Kauravas ended up with a much larger army.