Mahabharat Episode Discussion Thread # 10/ DT's Nt pg 121

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#751

Originally posted by: DrModel
@Sabhya--see this; karna's admission to Kanha

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/107348069

i did say i agree karna wanted to prove he is better than arjuna but that doesn't mean that everything he did was for that

kk daan,his promise to kunti,his refusing krishna's offer had nothing to do with arjuna

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: charminggenie
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i see Karna, as a magnanimous character who had his personal issues and inabilities, that doesn't take away from his inherent goodness or his warrior skills . Yet like anyone in MB his actions were equally flawed and they shouldn't be excused. Karma is the basic structure of this story. Everyone was accounted for their deeds.

this i 100% agree karan definitely made mistakes for which he should be condemned but he did right things as well for which he should be appreciated as well

for me karna is not the hero of the epci but the anti hero a human character with capability of doing things out of jealousy revenge and bitterness yet ability to do selfless and extraordinary things when required that is why he is the most human character he has many shades to himself

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Arijit

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Posted: 11 years ago

#753

yeah, it does not makes them saints indeed, but they were not brutal, gready, arrogant and self-centered.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Sabhayata

i did say i agree karna wanted to prove he is better than arjuna but that doesn't mean that everything he did was for that

kk daan,his promise to kunti,his refusing krishna's offer had nothing to do with arjuna

your perception.

Mine is that--he willed greatness.

Oh but it did. it had everything to do with Arjuna.

Or else why ask for Shakti, when he knows the dark One holds the reins to Arjun's chariot and fate; why even bother? to show the world who is better.

isn't that what he told Kanha and Yudi.

And again, he knew he would perish, but he stayed with Duri why? He wanted to be known as the guy who died for friendship and his promise. If that is not quest for greatness what is?

And who did he want to fight in this quest? Arjuna!!

So you see--it had everything to do with Arjuna.

Please read RM; at university I was told that >30% of an author's work cannot be copied or reproduced without permission. I think I have posted a lot of RM on this forum. I cannot keep posting and infringe copyright.

KMG is FREEE--you can even post the entire book here no one will say a thing and no copyright will be infringed.

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

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@ dr model by RM do you mean ramesh menon's MB if yes i have read it honestly didnt find much difference between kmg and rm but if you cant post just let me know the pg number i will check

regarding karna i guess we will have to agree to disagree since now its about perception which no citation can change so

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Posted: 11 years ago

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If krishna did not suffer casteism them what was:

1. Seniko!!!is gwaler ko Bandhi banalo???

2. Lekin is Yudhistir ne, is Gwaler ki puja karna uchit samjha...

Duri and Shishupal!!both arrogant buffoons!!!

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Sabhayata
@ dr model by RM do you mean ramesh menon's MB if yes i have read it honestly didnt find much difference between kmg and rm but if you cant post just let me know the pg number i will check

regarding karna i guess we will have to agree to disagree since now its about perception which no citation can change so

It was ALWAYS about perception. From the start of the show. it is what my disclaimers always meant. NICE to see, what i say is finally being perceived the right way.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: ...Diala...
Oh someone thinks Karna desired Draupadi.. So I think anyone is free to assume Draupadi desired Karna and that is why Krishna offered her to him..

Diala, we all know who posted what. Such indirect barbs are very unbecoming in debates. You could have easily quoted the person who commented and continued directly.

On topic. Was Drauapdi not the most beautiful and most desired woman of asryavarta at thr time of her swayamvar? Didn't every single khastriya from aaryavarta not present themselves at her swayamvar? Was it only to ally themselves with a drupad, whose power, position, influence and wealth was halved and reputation was precarious thanks to drona and his pupils. Is it not mentioned who all came to her swayamvar? So can we not assume they came because of this woman?

I am pretty sure if we lok around in kmg an exact text of it can be found too.

And did karna not compete/attempt to compete?

Or all of a sudden we sre going by ⭐️bharat that he wished to wjn draupadi and give her to duri?

What has the facts stated in thr text, corroborated by authentic translation got to do it some fine novel by a author?

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charminggenie

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Sabhayata

this i 100% agree karan definitely made mistakes for which he should be condemned but he did right things as well for which he should be appreciated as well

for me karna is not the hero of the epci but the anti hero a human character with capability of doing things out of jealousy revenge and bitterness yet ability to do selfless and extraordinary things when required that is why he is the most human character he has many shades to himself

Great we agree on something. The thing is I see all of them as humans and i give them merit according to what there actions mean in larger context. The balance of life judged them equally and gave them all the opportunities .

I just not understand why the greyness is only limited to him, personally Pandavas were equally emotionally vulnerable. They all went through the same shades of emotions, what sets Pandavas as role model for humans is that they never let their senses affect their actions. Humans- not demi-Gods(thats a title we give them to make it all about white and black).

Karna disappoints me , because I feel his life teaches me the lesson that not even friendship gives the excuse of siding with the wrong.

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Well then Sabhyata -- in RM, please tell me what page Krishna says discuss cannot penetrate K&K

Also tell me where Karna does not say it was always about Arjuna

Also tell me where Abhi is not attacked from behind.

I will PM you all pages to support my stance.

as for PERCEPTION---it was always about perception for me; from day 1; so many EDTs wasted on explaining different perceptions and viewpoints and demanding citations for them. but its ok, at least you finally understood what all my disclaimers meant.

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