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Posted: 11 years ago
#31
Thanks varaali for the soul's explanation.
Krishna being Param-aatma, enlightens aatma- Arjun, whose conscious is clouded with sense of guilt, doubt sseing his near & dear ones at Kurukshetra.
In this discourse, the Parmaatma, enlightens the aatma, clears all his doubts. Enabling him to rise & reach at a level, with just one track mind. After that Arjun doesn't get trapped again. Even if he does, this aatma has Parmatma as his saarathi, to help him in fighting his Worldly enemies & he is there to take care of him even after his life on Earth ends.
Such a wonderful relation this aatma has with Paramaatma, guiding him in this Dharma-yudhha.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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thanx mnx for thread! my knowledge of geeta is near to zero! I have heard /remember only one shloka "yada yada..." and have read few main translated lines from geeta! so will like to read enlightening posts! thank u star plus if it wasn't because of ur mahabharat I would have never learnt so many things and have come across many intelligent people
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Posted: 11 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: Abhishek_King


I have a doubt in terms of this shloka.
@bold wasn't Pandavas' motive to take back their kingdom and also avenge Paanchaali's insults which was the fruit of their action - war?😕



We do not have right over the fruits of our actions. I understand it to mean two things -
1. We can do our duties but we cannot be 100% sure what will be the result. This is indeed true because often it happens that we expect something but something else happens.

2. We do not have authority over the fruits of our actions. This is important because if we think we have the authority over the fruits (i.e. results) and somehow, if we lose the fruits, then we will be devastated. But if we understand that we do not have the authority, then we will understand that we lost what was never ours.

MAA KARMA PHALA HETUR BHUR
This part of the shloka tells us that we should do our duties for the sake of duties and not for the sake of its fruits. Initially we may do some work for the sake of fruits, but when we indulge a lot in that work, then doing that work itself becomes our goal and the fruits do not matter anymore to us. For example, consider a painter. Initially he may paint so that he can sell his paintings and make money. But a time may come when he begins to enjoy paintings so much that he making paintings itself becomes his goal and money becomes secondary. When such a stage is reached, then he will make even better paintings.
To give another example, consider a teacher who teaches Physics so that he can earn. But, for some teachers, making money becomes secondary and teaching itself becomes their goal because they have passion for teaching. They can teach much better than those who do it only for the sake of earning.

MA TE SANAGOSTVAKARMANI
It was a must to end the shloka like this. Lord tells Arjun not to make fruits as the motive for action. Having heard this, Arjun might have thought "if I should not act for the fruits of my actions, why should I even perform my actions?". Lord wanted Arjun not to think like this, therefore he says "ma te sangostavakarmani" meaning "nor let your attachment be to inaction".
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Posted: 11 years ago
#34
my favourite shloka of geetaa is,
sarvadharmaana parityajya maamekam sharanam vraja aham tvam sarvapaapebhyo mokshayasi maa shuchah.
krishna said:
every dharma can be abondoned, come to my refuge, i will wash off all of your sins, don't be sad. i think it means that, we can let go of every ritual, every traditon but we can't let go of god.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#35
My favorite shlok is yatra yogishwara krishno yatra partho dhanurdharah which has been discussed.Next in my list is JANMA KARMACHA DIVYAMEVAM YO VETTI TATWATAH TYAKTWAH DEHAM PUNARJANMA NAITI MAMETI SO ARJUNA...meaning:Arjuna!!! I am divine by birth and by deeds one who realises this fact wouldn't have rebirth after leaving this body...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: Abhishek_King

@varaali di
One query,Why only Sanjaya?There were many average good guyzz like Vidura.Why did Vidura or someone else get that golden opportunity?😛


Intellectually, Vidura was at a far higher plane than Sanjaya. He deserved and got knowledge of a different kind.

Sanjaya is just a representative of an average soul which- with the right gyana- can attain enlightenment.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: smrth



@ Varaali, thanks for a wonderful discourse once again...
A question. Besides the four players mentioned, what is the position of Ved Vyas here? Is he not also partaking simultaneously?
As we were explained- Four states of Chetan involved in this interaction- Avatar, Sant, Acharya, Mumukshu.
Do we place Vyas along with Arjun in category of sant- Who have achieved kind of Union (Adwait) with their God?


In the Srimad Bhagavatham,Veda Vyasa is considered an ansh avatar of Vishnu himself. He is already an evolved soul- evolved through the powers of his tapas, his dedication to the shrutis.

Arjuna gets into a crisis because of incomplete knowledge and through the grace of the Divine, gets uplifted. I don't think Veda Vyasa ever got into such a situation.

This is my view. I would be happy to know yours

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Posted: 11 years ago
#38
Let us begin with three crucial slokas (from the first chapter itself) . They are the reason why Lord Krishna had to propound Bhagavat Gita in the first place.

Here are the Slokas (Nos 20, 21 and 22 From Ch 1 'Arjuna Vishada Yoga')

atha vyavasthitan drstva dhartarastran kapi-dhvajah
pravrtte sastra-sampate dhanur udyamya pandavah
hrsikesam tada vakyam idam aha mahi-pate (20)

When Arjuna saw the sons of Dritarashtra arrayed against him, he took up his bow, ready to discharge arrows from it and said the following words to Krishna

arjuna uvaca

senayor ubhayor madhye ratham sthapaya me 'cyuta
yavad etan nirikse 'ham yoddhu-kaman avasthita
kair maya saha yoddhavyam asmin rana-samudyame (21-22)
O Achyuta, place my charriot between the two armies, so that I may carefully observe who are the people I have to fight against.


Crucial words indeed. If Arjuna had not expressed his desire to see the Kaurava warriors more closely, the whole of Bhagavat Gita would probably have not come into existance at all (at this juncture at least).


As it was, because Arjuna requested, Krishna drove the chariot and placed it right in the middle and asked Arjuna to "Behold the Kauravas assembled here (Patha, Pashyaitan samavetaan Kuruniti...(25)) .

Arjuna looked at the Kuru warriors (Bhishma ,Drona,etc) for what he thought was the last time and broke down.


Throwing down his Gandhiva, Arjuna slumps in his chariot, overcome by the enormity and the finality of the situation.

Krishna now has to assume the mantle of teacher / preceptor and pull this guy out of his depression and make him battle ready once again. Early in childhood, it was Drona who had made Arjuna battle worthy. He had given him training, but that was the skill of archery. Now Krishna has to once again make Arjuna battle ready, by imparting gyan of a different kind.

Edited by varaali - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#39
After Krishna had placed the chariot between the two armies and in front of Bhishma and Drona, He told Arjuna "Behold these Kauravas assembled here" (1:25)

And Arjuna saw all his relations- uncles, nephews, teachers, those related through marriage stationed there in front of him.


And THEN, the awful thought hits him with a convincing finality - He would have to fight those in front of him. And Kill them. It was going to be fight to finish.


Admittedly, he had faced these same warriors -Bhishma, Drona, et all in the Matsya War (during the closing days of their exile) and had no problems defeating them single handedly. But he had fought that war as a surrogate for the Matsya prince, Uttara. And because of the circumstances, it had then been enough for Arjuna to merely incapacitate and defeat them. Which he easily did with the Sammohan Astra.


But, this moment, Arjuna realized , was like no other. He would now have to fight to kill his beloved grandfather, revered guru and others whom he cherished. And the magnitude of this realization overwhelms him.


In his own words, his mouth begins to run dry, his limbs begin shaking, his brain is whirling and even the Gandhiva, which he used to grip proudly, now slips from his hands.


He is done. He cannot fight this war. Period.


As if answering Krishna's questioning eyes, Arjuna begins to vent out his feelings, his vishada.


In the next fifteen verses, (31 to 46 ) Arjuna gives reason after reason on why a war of this kind will only have negative repurcussions. In one verse he says that there could be no greater sin than the killing of his own family memebrs, so why should he, Arjuna , be a party to such a sin.(verses no 38 and 39)


In another verse he tries to justify his stance by pointing out how the society as whole will degenerate when such a large scale destruction will take place. (verses no 41,42,43,44)


Suddenly , the lac house, the dice game, Draupadi's dishonour, Karna, all are forgotten.


Arjuna's mind has weaved a confusing web around his brain. He is overwhelmed by the thought that this may be the last time he would be able to see Bhishma and Drona alive, and a more painful thought- that he, the greatest archer in the Pandava army, would have to fell them down.

He is suddenly worried about consequences of the enormous destruction a war of this scale would cause. Women widowed, children orphaned, kingdoms rendered leaderless.

No, he, Arjuna does not want to be a part of all this. Duryodhana can enjoy not just Indraprastha but the all the kingdoms in the three worlds. Arjuna will not raise a finger. Better still, let the Kauravs kill him, an unarmed and unresisting Arjuna (verse no 46)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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CHAPTER II (Sankhya Yoga / Yoga of Knowledge)

Having vented out his feelings, Arjuna throws aside his Gandhiva and slumps dejectedly into his chariot. In Sanjaya's words, " Arjuna is overwhelmed with pity, his eyes are overflowing with tears and his mind is plunged in sorrow." (verse no 1)


Krishna is not amused by his maharathi's' sudden change of heart . The time and place for such introspection had long passed. This was the moment for action. And here was his friend and cousin, on whose shoulders rested the hopes of the entire Pandava army, suddenly deciding that he would not fight this war.


If Arjuna expected some molly coddling or even a tacit approval of his opinions from Krishna, he was sadly mistaken. Krishna only wanted Arjuna to get back into the battle mode.


In a stern voice, Krishna informs him that such dejection was wholly out of place in the battle field, neither would it bring him fame, nor heaven. He expresses incredulity that a peerless warrior like Arjuna should even harbour such thoughts. Krishna exhorts Arjuna to stand up (uthishtha)and shake off (tyaktva) his confusion and prepare to fight. (verses 2 and 3)



But Arjuna could not come out of his despondency so easily. In a plaintive voice he asks Krishna " How can I hurl arrows on Bhishma and Drona- who deserve nothing but the highest respect from me? Of what use will the victory be, if such victory is stained by the blood of revered elders.?" (verse no 4)
"And", Arjuna readily voices his confusion, " I am not even sure who will win this war, they or us. I am not even sure which is preferable to us: to fight or not to fight." (verses 5 and 6)

Edited by varaali - 11 years ago

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