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Originally posted by: DrModel

@sabhya I have edited a lot out of my post because I cannot type the entire chapter; but i did not know this is the angle it would ne taken to so in summary before nakul is staked vidura tells dri to stop dury then dury shouts at vidur to leave hastinapur and then This dialogue comes

Shakuni mocked the pandav "you have nothing left to stake" and then there is more pressure until Yudi stakes Nakul

And the same author goes on and on about Yudi's goodness and why the Avatar is on his side so I for one am not doubting Yudi's goodness

Bold complelty agree don't get me wrong even i believe in yudi's goodess and pure heart after all he is dharamraj

but in the moment of weakness or in order to win back all he had lost he did stake all of his wealth and kingdom then only began staking his brother's because he truly had nothing else to stake

hence i was saying that it should be shown how yudi lost Indraprastha but i guess in this SP MB they will show that when yudi loses himself he loses his kingdom as well.

@sabhya and what I was trying to imply was that maybe like the author who stated that losing army granary and gold meant losing everything; perhaps for sp as well losing whatever was staked meant losing everything

Originally posted by: DrModel

@sabhya and what I was trying to imply was that maybe like the author who stated that losing army granary and gold meant losing everything; perhaps for sp as well losing whatever was staked meant losing everything

However, I think IP was not staked because duri had nothing in comparison and so he went straight to vikarna being staked

The only thing that is curious is why yudi picked nakul over arjun or nakul over sahadev

Agreed as per today's episode duri lost all his personal wealth and same goes for yudi he would have lost all his personal wealth

even i think IP hasn't been staked yet in this version but eventually Yudi has to lose IP in the epic he actually stakes it either by using the terms land and country or by staking army etc but here he will probably lose it because he himself becomes a slave since everything that belongs to the slave actually belongs to the master in this case IP will belong to Dury..Because other than this i cant come up with any logical answer of how Yudi will lose IP.

I guess he picked nakul because he was the youngest atleast that is what i have always though that is why he first stakes the twins then Arjuna and then Bhima he is going age wise

@Sabhya BUT Sahadev is younger than Nakul; so why Nakul?

Originally posted by: DrModel

And a confession, I am an A-D shipper; so the emotions I wonder about are the ones that poor Arjun must have felt to see the woman he won, his most beautiful queen, the one he loved just a little more than the others and who loved him just a little more--what would he ahve gone through when she was assulted, And it is said he loved the twins most of all; what must he have felt

And Bhim? My other favorite...

To see all this happen to his younger brothers, done by the older brother he respected like a father and to see his queen staked,,,

Gosh

Originally posted by: DrModel

@Sabhya BUT Sahadev is younger than Nakul; so why Nakul?

Some people believe THIS is when Yudi differentiated between his brothers from a different mother.

However, I find that difficult to believe.

Yudi would have considered Duri no less abrother had Duri shown him even a single bit of brotherly affection THAT was how good he was.

So WHY

But aren't nakul and sahdev twins?

i dont think Yudi ever differentiated in his encounter with Yama he did choose to save Nakul over his own mother's sons .I have always thought while staking he went as per age since there wasn't much age difference between Nakula and Sahdev he would have perhaps staked Nakul first but after that he did go as per age the eldest that is him was last to be staked

Besides seeing Kunti who loved Sahdev the most clearly shows she herself never differentiated between her sons and Madri's sons so i think even yudi would have been brought with the same morals

Panadavs unity is their strongest strength and what i love the most about them i don't believe there was even any friction between them even marring one woman couldn't divide them,Even in the dice hall their unity prevailed over their love for Drauapdi .Dury does tell them if they want to save Draupadi they can disown yudi and take her from here but they dont so their unity prevails again.Their unity is the most unbreakable relationship in the epic

Vikarna is the 4th child after Dury, Dushy , Dushala. Dury trapped Yudi by staking Vikarn first and not Dushasan.

Once Nakul is staked Yudi had to go all the way

the point is not only abt staking nakul first . yudi is quick enough to stake sahadev too. but he hesitates after that and only by prompting from shakuni does he stake arjun and bhim and draupadi. that hesitation makes one question his partiality.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3953075&PID=103259547&#p103259547

why doesnt he hesitate with naku and sahadev? how could he even think about it?

The Yaksha rejoined,-'This Bhimasena is dear unto thee, and this Arjuna also is one upon whom all of you depend! Why, then, O king dost thou, wish a step-brother to get up with his life! How canst thou, forsaking Bhima whose strength is equal to that of ten thousand elephants, wish Nakula to live? People said that this Bhima was dear to thee. From what motive then dost thou wish a step-brother to revive? Forsaking Arjuna the might of whose arm is worshipped by all the sons of Pandu, why dost thou wish Nakula to revive?' Yudhishthira said,--'If virtue is sacrificed, he that sacrificeth it, is himself lost. So virtue also cherisheth the cherisher. Therefore taking care that virtue by being sacrificed may not sacrifice us, I never forsake virtue. Abstention from injury is the highest virtue, and is, I ween, even higher than the highest object of attainment. I endeavour to practise that virtue. Therefore, let Nakula, O Yaksha, revive! Let men know that the king is always virtuous! I will never depart from my duty. Let Nakula, therefore, revive! My father had two wives, Kunti and Madri. Let both of them have children. This is what I wish. As Kunti is to me, so also is Madri. There is no difference between them in my eye. I desire to act equally towards my mothers. Therefore, let Nakula live?'

the yaksha taunts him with the same ques: that bhima and arjun are more dear to him and nakul is a step brother. but notice the reply of yudi. he doesnt say that the twins are equally dear to him. he is more concerned with virtue and acting equaly to his mothers ??!!!! its almost a duty for him that madri's son should be alive!

However, IF indeed he was partial, then it is to the everlasting credit of the twins that they never ever EVER held this against their brother.