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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 11 years ago

#91

Essentially, Draupadi's humiliation was the Kauravas overdoing it - not that the plan to annex Indraprastha was itself justified.

But a part of the Yudisthir hater in me blames him not for staking Draupadi, but more for inviting Duryodhan to Indraprastha in the first place. Why did he need to have Duryodhan there? He could have simply asked Dhritarashtra to send Bheeshma & Vidura as representatives of Hastinapur to the yagna, instead of giving Duryodhan co-hosting honors. By inviting Duryodhan to see the opulence of Indraprastha, Yudisthir paved the way for their own long term suffering - even their victory was a completely pyrrhic one.

Anyway, problem w/ the Kauravas was that having won Indraprastha, or even the Pandavas as slaves, they didn't know where to stop (to paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, they lacked the supreme gift of an artist). Had they stopped w/ Yudisthir, and simply enslaved them all, they'd have won. Draupadi could later have been ordered to wipe the floors, or clean the stables, or do whatever, and the Pandavas couldn't have done squat. Dragging her into the assembly, and then trying her vastraharan ruined everything on their end.

One thing Shakuni could have suggested Yudisthir could have been to stake Kunti instead of Draupadi - at least, that legal complication wouldn't have arisen. 😈

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Srishti

@srishtisingh

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#92

I don't think yudi had right to stake kunti

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Srishti

@srishtisingh

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#93

n u forget the purpose of whole yagna mayasabha etc was to show off only.kings liked to show their wealth and yep this caused their downfall too.but they found pride in such things.otherwise there would not have been any "chatukar" type of people

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

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Posted: 11 years ago

#94

Originally posted by: srishtisingh
I don't think yudi had right to stake kunti

Sure he did. As per Manu samhita, a woman was owned by first her father, then brother, than husband and then sons. So Kunti was the 'property' (to put it loosely) of her eldest son - Yudisthir. (She could have made it Karna, but that's another story)

So had Shakuni told Yudisthir to stake Kunti, then at least legally, nobody couldn't have challenged whether Kunti was free once Yudisthir was enslaved.

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Srishti

@srishtisingh

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#95

then how is her staking different from drau staking? still drau qu would b valid if he did not have right over himself then how could he stake?

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Justitia

@Justitia

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#96

Originally posted by: srishtisingh
still drau qu would b valid if he did not have right over himself then how could he stake?

It is a paradox.

In those days (remember, we are talking of the Dwapar Yuga here), a wife WAS considered to be the husband's property, and a husband had FULL rights on his wife. But, in this particular case, the husband had already lost himself. Therefore, on technical grounds, even wifey got staked and lost as well. So, on THAT basis, Yudi had no right to stake her.

The whole matter of "Does a husband have the right to stake his own wife?" is a completely different argument which may or may not have worked in the Dwapara Yuga. I repeat, we are talking of the Dwapara Yuga.

But my question is - Is it fair to link the mayasabha incident with the dice game/vastraharan incident?

Irrespective of whoever may or may not have laughed at Duri when he fell into the water, if you look at it completely from Duri's PoV alone, he himself may have had a "reason" for his behaviour, yes - but the validity of said "reason" is certainly debatable.

After looking at what happened in the dice game/vastraharan incident, I think it was a completely OTT reaction to the "laughter" that Duri had to endure...

If you link the mayasabha incident with the dice game/vastraharan fiasco, wouldn't THAT be "justifying" the events of the dice hall? I mean, there is a difference between having a "reason" for a person's behaviour and a "justification" for the same behaviour.

Did Duri have a "reason"? From his PoV alone, I suppose so, but "validity" of said reason is certainly debatable. Was Duri's reason "justified" in the entire context of the events? No, it wasn't.

What bothers me even more is that ⭐️Bharat is ALREADY showing mamujaan wanting and plotting his way to take away IP from the Pandavas - even when it is not even an independent kingdom.

So, 85% of the blame for the events of the dice hall in ⭐️Bharat will come on mamujaan, and 10% of the blame will come on Duri for already saying "hum uske vastra utaarenge".

Awesome way to give a "reason" or "justify" the involvement of the other guilty parties...

Edited by shani88 - 11 years ago

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Diala D

@...Diala...

Sparkler

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Posted: 11 years ago

#97

Mayasabha's part in Dice hall is only that it kindled Dury's jealousy.. Dury himself did not link his insult in Mayasabha and behavior in Dice Hall.. I dont understand why we are doing it..

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halfbloodprince

@Wistfulness

Achiever

+ 8

Posted: 11 years ago

#98

We shouldn't forget ⭐️Drupada while discussing the share of blame. Remember how ⭐️Krishna accused him of Draupadi's marriage to five men? So the king may face accuses here too.

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halfbloodprince

@Wistfulness

Achiever

+ 8

Posted: 11 years ago

#99

Vastra haran wasn't pre-planned I think. The men simply grabbed the opportunity emerging from the further circumstances.

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--Royal--

@--Royal--

Trailblazer

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Posted: 11 years ago

#100

I think Vastraharan is pri-planned coz i dont think suddenaly koi kah sakta h ki -abhi wife h lagane k liye 😕
Shakuni- give d idea.
Duri-order to dhusi -jao draupaadi ko lekar aao.
N after that karn,Duri n dhusi n draupadi ki insult ki.

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