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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: abhijitbasu

It must be interesting, because the uniqueness of Draupadi contributes largely to the uniqueness of the Mb. It boggles imagination to think that such a woman was there (and there must have been a real proto-historic person at the root of such an exceptionally endowed epic character), in those primeval times when Kshatriya machismo and Brahminical orthodoxy ruled the roost. Venerated as one of the pancakanyaa, she in fact overshadows even the illustrious Sita in the sheer richness of the many nuances that adorn her unique persona: a magnetically attractive woman with what in today's parlance can only be called the 'oomph factor'; an exemplary wife and homemaker; a lady with the rare courage to stand alone and face a whole patriarchal court; a profoundly cultured and articulate person, who engages Krshna and Yudhishthira in philosophic discourses and whose 'laments' are as good as any in the genre of classic laments; and a woman of incinerating wrath, whose all-consuming hunger for vengeance destroys a whole generation of Kshatriyas. But she is also the saddest of all tragedy queens the world's classics have known -- the woman whose thirst for revenge ultimately reduces herself to an inconsolable mother, grieving the gory nocturnal murder of all her five sons. What a lady indeed!


... a woman of incinerating wrath, whose all-consuming hunger for vengeance destroys a whole generation of Kshatriyas. But she is also the saddest of all tragedy queens the world's classics have known -- the woman whose thirst for revenge ultimately reduces herself to an inconsolable mother, grieving the gory nocturnal murder of all her five sons. What a lady indeed!


Forgive me, sir, but I must disagree with the view that the war was a result of Panchali's desire for revenge. IMHO that is not only an insult to her intelligence, but also to the intelligence of all those around her, including Krishna/Govinda, if they were to let an individual's singular extreme emotion decide the fate of a generation. And I find it tough to believe the man who so eloquently explained the role of duty, reason and compassion in the form of the Gita would ignore his own words and indulge emotion at such great cost.

I dont mean to provoke by stating it in such strong terms, but it is just that I find the whole 'woman wronged wants revenge' argument is no different from victim blaming, and in fact, overshadows the singular fact that the system placed little or no value on the rights of an individual, as compared to the authority of the emperor. To emphasize this view as a dramatic or philosophical core of the MBh marginalizes that larger social story of revolution.

Originally posted by: KrisUdayasankar

Adding on to this thread - I also can't help but feel that making her the reason for the war implies that she was 'dishonored', which is very different from she was 'assaulted' - Dishonour is kind of like 1980s movies where hero's sister kills herself after rape to save the 'family honour'. It both trivializes the violence Draupadi was subjected to, and reduces her to a single dimension.

Sorry to sound near-militant, again, but I do feel strongly (as I think many women do) about this point.
Thank you Abhijit Sir & Krishna Ma'am for sharing your valuable View Points here. This is by far one of the most Debatable topics doing the rounds..
I do have certain POVs to present on the topic as well & would like to share them here.
Edited by luv_sakshi - 10 years ago

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: KrisUdayasankar



May I just pitch in here and clarify that in relative terms, Arjun did not remain silent. At some point Syoddhan offers to vitiate the stake of Draupadi and the brothers if even if one of them questions Dharma's authority to stake her:

"Duryodhana, hearing Vidura thus speak, said,--'I am willing to abide by the words of Bhima, of Arjuna and of the twins. Let them say that Yudhishthira is not their master. Yajnaseni will then be freed from her state of bondage."

"Arjuna at this, said,--"This illustrious son of Kunti, king Yudhishthira the just, was certainly our master before he began to play. But having lost himself, let all the Kauravas judge whose master he could be after that."

- KM Ganguli trans. Sabha Parva Section 70.

I'm inclined to think this act is probably one of the reasons why Partha is/becomes Govinda's favorite. But that's just me :)





Originally posted by: Sabhayata



hmm i am confused

as to how this statement is being taken

hmm as per me its not like Arjuna is speaking against the staking he is basically not saying anything either ways whether the staking was right or wrong

nor does bhima infact bhima goes a step ahead and accepts that yudhishtir does have a right

usually yudhishtir is the one who is blamed the most out of panadavs for Draupadi's humiliation

but as per me other panadavs were also responsible and its precisely because of this incident

Duryodhan gives them a chance to take Draupadi away his intentions for the same could be questionable but he does give them a chance

but none of the pandavas take it proving it yet again that their brotherhood meant more to them than anything else


@ Sabhayata,

The impression I had was that Arjun knew that Duryodhan's were mere words, he was not planning to act on it (That is release Draupadi from bondage). His main aim was to destroy Pandav unity. That's the reason Arjun stops Bheem also from going against Yudhi. Other than protest the happenings, there is not much any of them could have done. Ofcourse that does not absolve them from blame either.
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Was Draupadi the main reason for the Mahabharat war? --- My Take on the same..

This is probably one of the most common and talked about issues whenever speaks of the Mahabharata. Draupadi was unique right from her birth. She was not conceived in a mother's womb. She was born from fire and as we know it, she was born young and not an infant. We all know that she refused to marry Karna during the Swayamvara. Let's acknowledge that she used harsh words to refuse him. But were they wrong? Till then, nobody (in public sense) knew who Karna really was. So, actually, she only spoke the truth when she called him a 'Sut Putra' and refused to accept him in marriage. Even if we take into account the fact that those words were hurting, are they enough to cause a war in which all warriors of the country would fight to death? Are all men fools that they would fight merely over the words of a woman? Does Karna's insult call for death of an entire Clan? Does it not sound illogical? Later on, Draupadi was accused of calling Duryodhna the son of a blind. Duryodhna was vengeful and her remarks may have hurt his ego or sentiments. But again, does that call for war? Even if the answer is yes, would all great warriors and kings of the country participate in it for the personal insult of another king? Surely, there needs to be something bigger for a war as extensive & destructive as the Kurukshetra.
Born of the sacred fire, Draupadi, only seemed to be walking through fire all her life! She was married off to the five Pandav brothers and was anointed as queen, but very soon was put on stake during a dice game and was lost. Unaware of all the happenings in the dice game, Draupadi was suddenly pronounced as a "Daasi" and now she had to do the bidding of her new master. This sudden twist of fate would have shocked Draupadi for sure. As though that wasn't enough, Draupadi was not only taken to the assembly, but an attempt was also made to disrobe her in front of everyone!
There is nothing more humiliating for a woman than losing her modesty. Draupadi was humiliated in a court where women simply did not go. Duryodhna left no stone unturned to insult Draupadi in whatever way possible. Similarly, Karna did not desist from calling her a wh**e and prompt Duryodhna to denude her. No offence meant here, but sadly, majority of the Indian psyche is male-dominant and they quickly come to a point where they can declare a female the kingpin of everything evil or destructive. Nobody will care then to explore what else could have conspired or gone wrong. Male-dominant society has a tendency to accuse someone and women (called a weaker sex) are the easy target. This is what happened with Draupadi too.
So, What actually caused Mahabharata then? Lord Krishna had gone to Hastinapur as an emissary of peace. He had told the entire court that the Pandavs would not reject whatever He promised here. He asked for 5 villages to be given to them. There was no demand of war or reinstatement of Draupadi's honor then. The offer was rejected outright. Duryodhna was eager to have war. He was amply supported by Karna. He was equally not stopped by his father. But the Pandavs had submitted their will to the will of Lord Krishna. Where was the question of asking for war then from the Pandavs' side? Even in the capital of Kingdom Virata named Upaplavaya, where the allies of the Pandavs sat and discussed all possibilities, Krishna had rejected all claims of war. He had declared that for personal revenges, one can't ask every other male to die.
So probably then, the reason for war was the greed of Duryodhna, the unmindful support of Karna and of course the blind act played by Dhritrashtra, not to forget, the poisonous role of Shakuni. So, Draupadi's words only bore insult and not war.
What stood for me in Draupadi are the following -

1. She was the first known intellectual woman of our History. She was the intellectual partner to Lord Krishna. The Lord who gave the Theory of Karma and The Gita to the world also gave Draupadi the status of an Intellectual Equal.

2. She was the First known woman to have had an Enterprising Nature" she worked as a Hairdresser to another Queen, during the Agyatvaas, to tide over difficult times. She joined her husbands in using her skill & knowledge instead of sitting at home, cribbing"a true Ardhangini, she stood by her husbands even in times adversity and helped them over come there misfortune. She was a motivator as well as a pillar of strength to the Pandav family.

3. She was the First Human being to raise her voice against Slavery"the Das Pratha. When Yudhishtir lost all material belongings and finally is asked to pawn his brothers, not a single Yoddha raised their voice against the Das pratha, except Draupadi --- she said that she was not an object of the Pandavs but a human being with an identity of her own. She refused to accept one human pawning another.

4. She stood out as a woman of intensity, high values, morals and Character and the she faced one of her worst moments when she was called a Vaishya. Her anguish and dislike for Daanveer Karna was probably also intensified because of his silence at Duryodhan's insults and unpleasant words.

5. Even Bishma Pitahmah hadrecognized her great knowledge and power to be positive, to fight out with great Dignity, the Humiliation hurled at her.

Draupadi's Dilemma is probably the dilemma of all modern day women who wish to be treated as equal and respected for their caliber, and to be an integral part of mainstream society. Draupadi gives hope to women that a day will come when Equality of Humanity will make this world a better place for the girl child & women...and probably that's why we can so relate to her!

Until & Unless we stop the denigration of Draupadi,;until we think of Draupadi as someone much more than a woman of 5 husbands, who was attempted to be disrobed in public; until we understand that Drauapdi was not the cause of the Mahabharata and until we restore her true picture in the minds of everyone, we cannot overcome the curse of wrongful propagation for subjugation. Draupadi was not the cause of Mahabharata, but the Victim of Mahabharata. Wars are not fought over comments of a young woman but over high aspirations of men to rule the land.

Probably, some of Draupadi's Characteristics proved to be fatal in declaring her as the cause of the Mahabharat --- she looked for perfection in men, commanded respect as an individual in her own right, and if insulted always retaliated. If it was not for her determination, Pandavas would probably not have ventured into war..

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: luv_sakshi

Was Draupadi the main reason for the Mahabharat war? --- My Take on the same..

This is probably one of the most common and talked about issues whenever speaks of the Mahabharata. Draupadi was unique right from her birth. She was not conceived in a mother's womb. She was born from fire and as we know it, she was born young and not an infant. We all know that she refused to marry Karna during the Swayamvara. Let's acknowledge that she used harsh words to refuse him. But were they wrong? Till then, nobody (in public sense) knew who Karna really was. So, actually, she only spoke the truth when she called him a 'Sut Putra' and refused to accept him in marriage. Even if we take into account the fact that those words were hurting, are they enough to cause a war in which all warriors of the country would fight to death? Are all men fools that they would fight merely over the words of a woman? Does Karna's insult call for death of an entire Clan? Does it not sound illogical? Later on, Draupadi was accused of calling Duryodhna the son of a blind. Duryodhna was vengeful and her remarks may have hurt his ego or sentiments. But again, does that call for war? Even if the answer is yes, would all great warriors and kings of the country participate in it for the personal insult of another king? Surely, there needs to be something bigger for a war as extensive & destructive as the Kurukshetra.
Born of the sacred fire, Draupadi, only seemed to be walking through fire all her life! She was married off to the five Pandav brothers and was anointed as queen, but very soon was put on stake during a dice game and was lost. Unaware of all the happenings in the dice game, Draupadi was suddenly pronounced as a "Daasi" and now she had to do the bidding of her new master. This sudden twist of fate would have shocked Draupadi for sure. As though that wasn't enough, Draupadi was not only taken to the assembly, but an attempt was also made to disrobe her in front of everyone!
There is nothing more humiliating for a woman than losing her modesty. Draupadi was humiliated in a court where women simply did not go. Duryodhna left no stone unturned to insult Draupadi in whatever way possible. Similarly, Karna did not desist from calling her a wh**e and prompt Duryodhna to denude her. No offence meant here, but sadly, majority of the Indian psyche is male-dominant and they quickly come to a point where they can declare a female the kingpin of everything evil or destructive. Nobody will care then to explore what else could have conspired or gone wrong. Male-dominant society has a tendency to accuse someone and women (called a weaker sex) are the easy target. This is what happened with Draupadi too.
So, What actually caused Mahabharata then? Lord Krishna had gone to Hastinapur as an emissary of peace. He had told the entire court that the Pandavs would not reject whatever He promised here. He asked for 5 villages to be given to them. There was no demand of war or reinstatement of Draupadi's honor then. The offer was rejected outright. Duryodhna was eager to have war. He was amply supported by Karna. He was equally not stopped by his father. But the Pandavs had submitted their will to the will of Lord Krishna. Where was the question of asking for war then from the Pandavs' side? Even in the capital of Kingdom Virata named Upaplavaya, where the allies of the Pandavs sat and discussed all possibilities, Krishna had rejected all claims of war. He had declared that for personal revenges, one can't ask every other male to die.
So probably then, the reason for war was the greed of Duryodhna, the unmindful support of Karna and of course the blind act played by Dhritrashtra, not to forget, the poisonous role of Shakuni. So, Draupadi's words only bore insult and not war.
What stood for me in Draupadi are the following -

1. She was the first known intellectual woman of our History. She was the intellectual partner to Lord Krishna. The Lord who gave the Theory of Karma and The Gita to the world also gave Draupadi the status of an Intellectual Equal.

2. She was the First known woman to have had an Enterprising Nature" she worked as a Hairdresser to another Queen, during the Agyatvaas, to tide over difficult times. She joined her husbands in using her skill & knowledge instead of sitting at home, cribbing"a true Ardhangini, she stood by her husbands even in times adversity and helped them over come there misfortune. She was a motivator as well as a pillar of strength to the Pandav family.

3. She was the First Human being to raise her voice against Slavery"the Das Pratha. When Yudhishtir lost all material belongings and finally is asked to pawn his brothers, not a single Yoddha raised their voice against the Das pratha, except Draupadi --- she said that she was not an object of the Pandavs but a human being with an identity of her own. She refused to accept one human pawning another.

4. She stood out as a woman of intensity, high values, morals and Character and the she faced one of her worst moments when she was called a Vaishya. Her anguish and dislike for Daanveer Karna was probably also intensified because of his silence at Duryodhan's insults and unpleasant words.

5. Even Bishma Pitahmah hadrecognized her great knowledge and power to be positive, to fight out with great Dignity, the Humiliation hurled at her.

Draupadi's Dilemma is probably the dilemma of all modern day women who wish to be treated as equal and respected for their caliber, and to be an integral part of mainstream society. Draupadi gives hope to women that a day will come when Equality of Humanity will make this world a better place for the girl child & women...and probably that's why we can so relate to her!

Until & Unless we stop the denigration of Draupadi,;until we think of Draupadi as someone much more than a woman of 5 husbands, who was attempted to be disrobed in public; until we understand that Drauapdi was not the cause of the Mahabharata and until we restore her true picture in the minds of everyone, we cannot overcome the curse of wrongful propagation for subjugation. Draupadi was not the cause of Mahabharata, but the Victim of Mahabharata. Wars are not fought over comments of a young woman but over high aspirations of men to rule the land.

Probably, some of Draupadi's Characteristics proved to be fatal in declaring her as the cause of the Mahabharat --- she looked for perfection in men, commanded respect as an individual in her own right, and if insulted always retaliated. If it was not for her determination, Pandavas would probably not have ventured into war..


agree with you. very aptly put 👏👏👏
do we know if draupadi would have wanted war had she known her all sons would die.
Also during those times a kshatriya women had to be always prepared for war . For them it was common. maybe similar to - Like we venture out of the house n our moms wish that we return safe without any accidents happening.
why MB even untill recently wars were a common thing. Wives n mothers of kings & soldiers are always prepared. That dosent mean they believe that their husbands or sons will die in war. They all positively hope they will live. So i believe its not right to say that she must have known that her sons will die & be prepared for it if she wanted revenge.
And It isnt her revenge that caused war. It was duryodhan's inability to comprehend the devastation that a war would bring. His inability to think about his subjects. And even then there are still arguments if he was a bad king or not😕

Even in the capital of Kingdom Virata named Upaplavaya, where the allies of the Pandavs sat and discussed all possibilities, Krishna had rejected all claims of war. He had declared that for personal revenges, one can't ask every other male to die.

@bold. agree if she wanted revenge she could have sent anyone to take revenge against dushasan & duryodhan. a full fledged war was not needed IMO. The was was fought because Pandavas wanted their right back which was denied to them.

And i agree we must stop projecting draupadi as someone who wanted revenge for her insult & lost her family & sons in the process due to that revenge.That paints a wrong picture of/for someone wanting justice.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Hi Everybody
Interesting Forum with very interesting views,

I will just present my view on Mahabharata especially on topics related to war, Draupadis insult and Krishnas world view.

But before that we should think about the text of Mahabharata itself ,The version we have today cannot be the original because there are contradictions within the chapters of the text itself.
Having established that we can see that there is an original story on which later insertions where made.

So is there a way of reading in between the lines for the original ,
There is a way - In fact there is a key which lies within Mahbharata itself The philosophy of Bhagavad Gita.

Though Bhagavad Gita is a spiritual text- The acceptance of the philosophy gives rise to certain Ethical absolutes Like Atma and Karma

Atma - which can be understood ethically has Human Dignity or Freedom or Responsibility over ones own mind,Heart and Being and very surprisingly we can see that Human Dignity cannot be destroyed by anything.

Karma - Cause and Consequences or Free Will or responsibility over ones own actions (There can be no free will without Karma)
It can be further explained as that the cause of our actions-Emotions,will lead to circumstances of the very same emotion , if an action is done out of anger it will inevitably result in anger and if an action is done out of love it will inevitably lead to love.

Considering this we can see that what Mahabharata shows is the consequences of various choices made my different characters and asks us to choose what our own Dharma is (Svadharma) through our faculty of reasoning.


Coming to characters and story itself Two persons stand out in mahbharata -Draupadi and Krishna ,
The only two people who stand by the ideals of Gita.

From these ideals we can see that Draupadi lost nothing on the day of her insult and that is why she stood up in the court has any human being should stand up and challenged the court of Kurus.
This is how Krishna saved Darupadi in the court.

Then about the war and Draupadi's hand in it , If Draupadi stood by her ideals she could not have instigated the war because of revenge simply because she will know that Law of karma was inevitable an action that comes out of anger will lead to more anger but she chose to instigate a war simply because the Governmental system of the day had foregone its responsibility and was leading people to unconsciousness (The complete loss of equality due to Hierarchical structures)

She hoped against hope that her actions where out of Love and not due to anger or grief but inevitably the consequences of war show us that Draupadi's intentions where not completely free of grief,Fear or Anger, But there was also Love and it came to her aid when Krishna saved Parikshit, Thereby proving to the world about Atma and Karma without Doubt.

For me this is what Mahabharata is about- It shows us that no action can be independent of its cause(Emotion) and the result will be exact same(emotion) and we must take responsibility for making the choice of which emotion we decide to act out through reasoning.

Draupadis insult is a direct consequence of Rajasuya yagna and especially of Shisupals vadha in the sabha.

Draupadi never belived she lost her dignity even after the supposed insult nor did Krishna.



Edited by Raguram19 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Hi Everybody

I read an article in this forum about Mahabharata happening in Dwapara and we cannot understand it's moral standards in Kali Yuga.

I have one point to say the Mahabharata has we know today happened in Dwapara but the text of Mahbharata was clearly written in the age of Kali , What this says is that we cannot believe in the text we have because it is definitely distorted by Kali.

The Mahabharata was never written in Dwapara but handed down has Parables which was later written into the text that we have today that too in the very loose literary form called Frametales.

If we are believers of Yuga's influence then we should be completely wary of all our scriptures because none of them were written in Dwapara but in the degraded Kali.

The only true refuge we can look for direction in the age of Kali is within our hearts because all else is taken by Kali.

If anybody has read the story of Parikshit and Kali they can understand Kali takes over the places of ones mind only when he has not taken responsibility for his own actions ,only when somebody has given up their free will , We can clearly see the influence of Kali in the written text of Mahabharata but with all its influence Kali cannot obscure the truth and the message that Mahabharata contains,
We should Look up to the message of Gita and Krishna's actions for the way we must act in the age of Kali.

Kali is not something to be feared- it is a very real emotional entity which obscures the Law of Karma from the Atma, Anybody who surrenders to the Atma within will see the truth which is not so difficult to find has Kali's influence makes it out to be.

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: KrisUdayasankar

Actually, there is one guy who pisses me off a little more than Dharma Yudhisthir does. I know I'm being provocative here, but just curious how many of us have a bone to pick with Bhisma Devavrata - Kashi, Gandhara - all his conquests in the name of finding wives for his brother/nephews sowed some pretty bitter seeds, no? Or is the wife-finding merely an excuse for what probably were political conquests/annexations - after all these were pretty prosperous nations, and the did put up a fight...

Your thoughts, folks?


Gandhara, as Watcher quoted was not threat by Bhishma.. it was a simple arranged marriage..

Kashi swayamvar gate crashing is again not new for that age per my understanding.. though I do wish he could have done something for Amba, am not sure what he would have done with her.. he being a celibate and Shalva being adamant..
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Originally posted by: Sabhayata



1)Lakshgarah incident has already been discussed even before the incident how he explains to Bhima what they need to do shows his political astuteness

2)Then his disappointment towards his mother when he comes to know she sent Bhima to Baksura to save a family.He doesn't approve of this act because he knows how important Bhima is if he wants to win back his kingdom

3)Again he shows his intelligence when he realized that all brother's are attracted to Draupadi and it may cause a problem for them in future hence they should all marry her

4)In vana parva when he admits that he continued to play in order to rob Duryodhan of HP

5)His message to Indradev regarding Karna after which Indra dev goes to ask Karna for his Kavach Kundal daan which again shows his strategic mind he very well realized that karna could be a roadblock in his victory

6)The when he intelligently asks Bhishma and rest of the elder's a way to defeat them via asking for a blessing right before the war

7)The again when he appoints shalya to demotivate Karna .An example of psychological warfare in dwapar yug

But since the general opinion of him is that of a saintly person which yes he was to some extend but then his very human actions often get ignored or swept under the rug which atleast for me is the most interesting thing about him


Hello Sabhayata.. 😛


4. He dint continue to play for this reason.. He agreed to play Duryodhan so that he can 'win' (i dont wanna use rob 😳).. but he, in his words, was cheated by Shakuni's proxy.. so he knew he was a better player than Dury but not Shakuni..

5) What is that? 😲 What message did he send to Indra?


I did think Yudi is a boring saint.. later on reading KMG translation am glad he is not one.. he is surely an interesting character.. being a little more harsh on him would make me think he was really selfish and shrewd.. who is ready to do anything to get his work done.. and doesnt care about others at all.. I would give Krishna and Yudi equal marks for strategically/cunningly winning the war...
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Sabhayata

All the things you mentioned make him human. What makes him the great king he was supposed to be?



That is confusing and debatable.. but the answer I have for myself is that he respected and served Brahmins.. which is the biggest punya.. thanks to the varna system..


the amazement is yet to leave me.. when I read he staked everything and everyone in his country except the Brahmins and their property.. may be his this dedication to the varna system is what made him 'dharmaraj'.. JMO..
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Thanks Diala for posting, I thought the thread was dead.

DharmaRaj - So, far these are the answers I got. He had thorough knowledge of scriptures, he served the priesthood well. Not certain any of that makes him great. The best by far, was that he learned from his mistakes - plausible, because once he committed himself to the war there was no dillydallying. All regrets came afterward. And thereafter, he seemed to commit himself to the welfare of the praja.


What bugs me are superlatives like DS was not really his fault because as raja he had the right to stake his praja (not just his family). They werent his slaves. The fact that he excluded the Brahmins from this (which I didnt know till now) makes it worse. The ethos of the era let him walk away from that sin; but then blindly following accepted practice is not a sign of greatness. Thats why, IMO, there was only one great person in the DS, the only one person who questioned Yudhishtir's right to do that. Then there is the part about his chariot being 1/2 inch off the ground,till Drona vadh, as though KP and DS were episodes to be flicked off!😲


As for Bheeshma, I dont think he is a bad character. I do think he took the easy way out of difficult decisions. Let me quote here, 'If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have taken the side of oppressor'. I think the Yuganta essays conclude the same about him.


But I am curious, even if Bheeshma was celibate, his stepbro was not. After all kidnapping Amba was done for Vichitraveerya. Or did the HP folks do a reverse Shalva and consider her ruined


And thanks for posting Raguram. Loved your perspective on what Drau might have hoped for, going into the war
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