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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: shindes

For those who admire Krishn, his sentence can be interpreted as , 'Strive to earn respect rather than expect it to fall in your lap.' If one does not admire Krishn, they will distort it out of proportion anyways.

I agree with the 'puppet element' that creeps into most retellings. I think it stems from Bhagwad Gita's claim of 'I am the Supreme controller'.
Gurcharan Das (the Difficulty of being Good) counter-questions this faith by saying, "If God wishes to prevent evil, but cannot,; then it makes him impotent. If he does not wish to prevent evil, that makes him wicked. '


I guess that's where the concept of Karma comes along. Without karma, the world comes to a standstill. Even God has to do his karma...no one is exempt from it. As long as there is karma in this world, both evil and good will exist...like two sides of a coin
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: srishtisingh

ashwi sorry I could not understand what author wanted to conclude? can u simplify it to me?


Hi Srishti, I think the post is easier to understand if one is familiar with the context in which it is written. The author begins by condemning the pulping of the copies of the book 'The Hindus-an alternative history' by Wendy Doniger, by making a case of free speech and liberty. He goes onto show how even informed, educated people take offense when a certain view of religion is contested. He goes onto say that being a mature and democratic society, we must have tolerance for opinions and views which do not agree with our own. People and scholars have been interpreting our scriptures for generations now, and one must take into consideration the possibility that these scriptures merely reflected the society they were set in, instead of looking at them as absolute knowledge revealed by a higher power. I must mention here that the above mentioned book has been deemed by scholars to have factual inaccuracies, so should not be taken very seriously, but the point that the author makes remains in spite of that.

He illustrates the above using Star Plus's MB example, where he says how Krishna is depicted as the forever in control figure, who directs and supervises the actions of all the others, reducing him to some sort of authoritarian dictator, which he of course is not. Vindicating a certain social hierarchy by saying it has been revealed by some higher power does not make it absolute or make it binding upon us to conform to. This is where extremists go wrong- When they go on to force their religious views on others, by giving the excuse of how they are working towards the 'greater good'. I'm by no means saying that our scriptures, or the MB do this, or Hinduism propagates such a dictatorial idea, but how the very nature of 'greater good' is subjective, dynamic and relative.

In my opinion, Hinduism is one of the few religions which is fluid, malleable and not something set in stone. Attempts to make it as such, would only result in it losing some of it's relevance, as can be seen in the case of Abrahamic religions. The concept of religion itself changes when it comes to Hinduism, as it does not have an absolute standard text which one is supposed to follow unquestioningly like some Abrahamic religions. It is extremely liberal to be a religion in the strictest sense as it incorporates a wide variety of philosophies and schools of thought. In fact, the very term Hinduism was coined by the British as a religion, when in reality it was a mere geographic marker, i.e an appellation for the people living to the east of the Indus river, or in short present day Indians, Bangladeshis, Nepalese, etc. We never had a one-size-fits- all faith system, but very few know of this today.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: bheegi

@Ashwini...interesting article. It's intellectually stimulating to discuss such issues regarding faith and religion but if one looks at the bigger picture keeping in mind the larger sections of the society, such simplistic views on good vs bad, faith vs lack of belief are needed to drive the point home


Majority of people need to see things in black and white. Most have a hard time seeing grey and interpreting things based on the subtlety of moral principles.

Even Ved Vyas said Dharma is subtle...but how many people really understand that?

That's why I've no issues with the messages imparted by Krishna in this MB...yes they are simplistic and sometimes conflicting but most of us need that bigger picture when deciding what's right and what's not.


I must say SP did a decent job of the BG or other moral lessons that krishna imparts throughout the show, although I may not agree on it's portrayal of Krishna. SP had no choice but to simplify these things, given how complex and abstract they are and require some basic understanding and appreciation of spirituality.
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Posted: 11 years ago
thanks ashwi for explaining.I even downloaded book by doniger to c what she has written. but there is something which I like abt our religion being fluid still many times I am unable to avoid my displeasure when our culture or religion is shown faulty! may b that's my prejudice. I by no mean am an extremist but this thing does come in my mind why fingers are always pointed towards hinduism ? is it because hindu people really don't mind? I like discussions abt hinduism but I am unable to abandon my bias, and may b that's one of my shortcomings. but this is the reason because of which though I am not really a religious person but whenever someone does point fingers at our dieties I feel upset!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: srishtisingh

thanks ashwi for explaining.I even downloaded book by doniger to c what she has written. but there is something which I like abt our religion being fluid still many times I am unable to avoid my displeasure when our culture or religion is shown faulty! may b that's my prejudice. I by no mean am an extremist but this thing does come in my mind why fingers are always pointed towards hinduism ? is it because hindu people really don't mind? I like discussions abt hinduism but I am unable to abandon my bias, and may b that's one of my shortcomings. but this is the reason because of which though I am not really a religious person but whenever someone does point fingers at our dieties I feel upset!

i dont think it is only towards hinduism..Such questions are raised in every religion.. There are always a set of naysayers...non believers and kind of those who tend to see things differently from the way they are interpreted in a religion.. I have seen prejudiced views and debates on almost all existing religions..in the world.. religion is ofcourse a sensitive topic.. n criticism should just follow that narrow line of not ridiculing the basic aspects of one's belief.. this is what i believe in..
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Posted: 11 years ago
Has anybody read this book

Yudhishthir and Draupadi by Pavan K Verma

this book actually justifies why Yudhishthir staked his brothers & wife.
If anybody wants I can give u the jist😳
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sayee

Has anybody read this book

Yudhishthir and Draupadi by Pavan K Verma

this book actually justifies why Yudhishthir staked his brothers & wife.
If anybody wants I can give u the jist😳

Sure you can go ahead...😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
The gist...

On the first night of their marriage when Yudhishthir went close to Draupadi, he felt Draupadi was not happy, her limbs were lifeless she had surrendered to him but not with her will, her mind still had Arjun, it had hurt him very deeply, therefore when the invite came for dice game it came as both opportunity & threat. Threat of Shakuni's evil plans & opportunity to prove Draupadi that he was as good as Arjun, therefore he accepted the invite with a hope that he will win & then Draupadi will find him worthy of her love, but after his first stake he realized he was wrong.


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sayee

The gist...

On the first night of their marriage when Yudhishthir went close to Draupadi, he felt Draupadi was not happy, her limbs were lifeless she had surrendered to him but not with her will, her mind still had Arjun, it had hurt him very deeply, therefore when the invite came for dice game it came as both opportunity & threat. Threat of Shakuni's evil plans & opportunity to prove Draupadi that he was as good as Arjun, therefore he accepted the invite with a hope that he will win & then Draupadi will find him worthy of her love, but after his first stake he realized he was wrong.



Thanks for sharing. Its always interesting to read different perspectives of an event. The author has the right to have his own interpretations, but I am having a bit of a trouble understanding this.
The dice game wasn't quite a display of might in my understanding. It was a game of probability and chance. So how exactly winning a stake here could make him as good as Arjun. If that was his motive shouldn't he have looked at an opportunity for a duel. For winning a dice game makes him lucky not quite worthy.(except if he believed luck sides with the worthy ones only😆).

I know its unfair of me to judge the writer's POV just based on this for the book has to be evaluated holistically.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sayee

The gist...

On the first night of their marriage when Yudhishthir went close to Draupadi, he felt Draupadi was not happy, her limbs were lifeless she had surrendered to him but not with her will, her mind still had Arjun, it had hurt him very deeply, therefore when the invite came for dice game it came as both opportunity & threat. Threat of Shakuni's evil plans & opportunity to prove Draupadi that he was as good as Arjun, therefore he accepted the invite with a hope that he will win & then Draupadi will find him worthy of her love, but after his first stake he realized he was wrong.


Interesting gist...
Maybe I might have to read the entire book for complete understanding.
But from the gist itself, I really cannot figure out the connection between the justification of the wife staking, and Yudi wanting to prove his worthiness to Draupadi...

When Yudi staked Drau, it got questioned because Yudi had already lost himself beforehand and got enslaved himself.
So, how can the staking get justified even from a "worthiness" perspective?

And this is just Draupadi's staking.

How does Yudi staking his bros end up getting justified as him wanting to prove his worthiness to them?

Surely, BANS respected Y and looked at him as a figure of authority from the very beginning, right?

The dice game is a game of luck (it is NOTHING about worthiness).

Even IF Yudi had actually won everything after staking Draupadi, it would've only proven that luck was on his side...nothing else.

Surely, Arjun didn't win the swayamwar because he was simply "lucky", right?

Like I said, I might have to read the entire book to understand...
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