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All creation is ruled, in turns, by the forces of darkness and light: the earth as well. Both forces have their own creatures in the world, ordinary men and those with great power. The Kauravas and the Pandavas served opposite causes.

These were the days of a yugasandhi, a cusp of ages between a dwapara and a kali yuga. Krishna's mission was to ensure that no power of evil survived into the coming, lesser age, to dominate it. The powers of darkness were losing what was, just years ago, a stranglehold over the earth and its affairs. Krishna had killed Kamsa, Jarasandha and thousands of other incarnate demons. Now an ancient mantle of evil had fallen on the shoulders of Duryodhana of Hastinapura. He was the last hope of the forces of tyranny and violence on earth, for Krishna had swept the other evil ones before him in a tide of light.

In grim patala, under world, domain of perpetual twilight, some of the most powerful Demons sat in conclave. Many of them were as old as the earth herself. Some had great saurian forms. Some were humanoid, but huge, their eyes dreadful; and still others were unquiet vapors. They saw what Duryodhana meant to do and their persuasions within his mind seemed to have no effect on the Kuru prince. He had grown numb and seemed determined to die. Those Asuras lit a fire of yagna and sat around it chanting eerie mantras. The fire blazed dark and high; as the incantations grew more resonant, a kritya, a dark female spirit, appeared among the flames. She was tall as a palm tree, her eyes burning, her hair flames and her body a cool fire. She stood before the monsters that had summoned her and said in a hollow voice, "Command me, masters of the night. Why have I been called from the pit?" In fell voices, the Demons said, "Fly up to the earth and fetch the Kuru prince Duryodhana to us." Duryodhana, who sat with his eyes shut beside the river, fell into a dream. He dreamt a fierce woman flew down out of the air and plucked him up in her arms.

The smallest, but the eldest, Demon said to Duryodhana in an echoing voice, "King of men, how can you think of killing yourself, when there is so much you must still accomplish? The very purpose of your birth!" Another, a graybeard, said, "Kshatriya, you are no ordinary mortal. We worshipped Siva and the Devi with a thousand yagnas, so you would be born. Above the waist, your body was made by Mahadeva out of impenetrable vajras. Below the waist, the Devi herself made your form from the flowers of heaven, to please the women of earth. You were created by Siva and Uma." Another said in a woman's voice,"You must rule the earth. Narakasura's spirit has entered Karna:

you have nothing to fear from Arjuna, Karna will kill him. Millions of Danavas and Daityas have been born into the world of men, to be your legions. The Pandavas cannot stand against you, Duryodhana!" "Don't let a petty defeat deflect you from your true purpose, Kaurava," said the first one who had spoken. "Yours and ours is a great destiny. We shall rule the earth for a thousand years of the Devas. It is an older war than you think that you fight. It is almost the dawning of the kali yuga. We must win the war on the crack of the ages and win it we shall. You are never alone, Duryodhana; we are always with you, proud spirit!"

Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 1 iUniverse. Kindle Edition.


EVIL/DARK versus shades of grey: a constant battle...

I leave the rest to the reader's interpretation
Edited by DrModel - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Love it.
Though evil and dark ane good r all internal struggle. In mortal world, if the entire worlr the brahmana is Krishna or shiva ie divine, no one can be pure evil and pure Satan. That concept came much later with abhrahamic religions.
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Posted: 11 years ago
@DrModel
i had opened a thread on the same thought long back, KMG includes even bhishma and drona.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3943185
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Posted: 11 years ago
I just read excerpts from the book "Ajaya' which is written from Duryodhan's POV (he is called Suyodhana in this book) I don't agree with a lot that's written in this book but the dice game caught my attention. This version of dice game actually makes a lot more sense to me and explains why Yudi even agreed to play and lose everything he had.
Here it is:

Yudhishtra looked around at the gathering of noblemen in the Hastinapura sabha. Arjuna had advised him to decline Suyodhana's invitation. His mother Kunti had warned him about the possibility of being ambushed on the way. Finally, he had gone to Dhaumya for advice. The Priest had deliberated with his disciples and other scholars and said it was a Kshatriya's dharma to play dice. That had made Yudhishtra smile , for he was an inveterate gambler. The dice game excited him as nothing else could. Furthermore, Suyodhana had promised to stake his position as Crown Prince, against Indraprastha, even though he would be represented in the game by his uncle, Shakuni, Prince of Gandhara. A win would enable Yudhishtra to grab the mighty Hastinapura Empire. Given the support he already enjoyed with the Priestly class, the Southern Confederate could be persuaded to pay him homage, making him Emperor of India - from the Himalayas to the southern seas. Dhaumya predicted Yudhishtra would win easily, as he always followed dharma. As an additional guarantee, they met with an astrologer, who threw cowry shells on the ground, did some obscure calculations , moved a few shells from one box to another, and then predicted Yudhishtra's win as a foregone conclusion since all the planets favoured him. Finally, the Priests had given Yudhishtra an amulet to wear as a success charm. When he entered the Hastinapura palace, accompanied by his brothers, there was some gossip and comment about the amulet, prominent among the pearl and diamond jewellery he wore. *** After the trial throws, with Yudhishtra winning most of the plays and Shakuni getting only a few points, the game began in earnest, based on throws and the movement of coins - calling for a mixture of skill and luck, rather like life itself. "Your Highness, the game now begins. Let us set the wager," Shakuni said, looking blandly at Suyodhana. "I place my pearl necklace," Yudhishtra said. Karna smirked, irritating the other Pandavas. "I do the same," Suyodhana said calmly, unclasping his pearl necklace and placing it near the board. The dice started rolling. ***

Dhritarashtra sat listening to the commentary from his scribe and secretary, Sanjaya. He wanted his son to win. He was relieved Gandhari had not appeared yet. She had always been set against the game. It was he who had encouraged his son to play, saying it was an accomplishment required of a Kshatriya. She had gone to the temple to feed the poor. Not to be outdone, Kunti had followed her. Let them remain there, the King thought chuckling. The women had no business in the sabha after all. It was the realm of men. Bhishma and his new ideas! "Aha, I win!" cried Shakuni with unconcealed glee as the crowd craned to see the result of the first throw. Dhritarashtra smiled to himself. Gandhari, you were dead against dicing . Now see how easily our son is pulling the rug out from under Yudhishtra's feet.' Shakuni was a resourceful man, thought Dhritarashtra when more applause rippled through the sabha as the dice obeyed the foreigner again. He wondered for the thousandth time why his wife disliked her brother so much. He was handing the kingdom to Suyodhana on a platter. Men played to win while the women went to the temple to pray. Dhritarashtra sat in silence, willing the dice to roll in Shakuni's

Yudhishtra touched his amulet. In the trial throws, the foreigner had not appeared to be a skilled player. Perhaps it was just beginner's luck, he thought a little uneasily. Lifting his head he said, "I wager all my golden chariots." Shakuni rubbed the dice together. "Golden chariots, Your Highness? That would be somewhat unfair. Hastinapura has far more golden chariots than Indraprastha." "I add my corps of trained elephants," Yudhishtra answered immediately. Nothing in his demeanour showed that his heart was thudding in his chest. The dice rolled again. "Bad luck, Your Highness! Your elephants and chariots are now Suyodhana's," Shakuni said with a smile. Yudhishtra cursed under his breath. How was it possible? No one had ever worsted him in a game of dice. Arjuna whispered to his brother to stop. They had already lost a major part of their army. But Yudhishtra, stung by the smug look on the Kauravas' faces, lost his usual calm and staked his mansions, horses, gold, diamonds, treasury, cows, all the villages in his kingdom, his armoury and the wealth of his merchants. The dice rolled again, sweeping everything from Yudhishtra's grasp in each of the next ten throws. "Stake something worthwhile Prince, instead of a horse or a cow at a time. Then you can win big. Suyodhana is staking his position as Crown Prince. If he loses, you will be Crown Prince of Hastinapura, and King when the time comes. He will go away as a mendicant. Match that if you dare. Win and you gain an empire; if you lose...?" Shakuni's smiling words provoked the gambler in Yudhishtra. He touched his amulet again and took a deep breath. "I wager my palace in Indraprastha." The dice rolled for the eleventh time. "Oh! It is not your day, Highness... you lose again!" Shakuni exclaimed in mock dismay. Arjuna began to look grim. The smiles had vanished from the faces of Bhima, Nakula and Sahadeva. Yudhishtra sat pale and withdrawn. There was pindrop silence in the sabha. Suyodhana was overcome by sudden pity for his cousin. He had got his revenge. The Pandavas had nothing left. They would have to live on his charity. He had reduced his cousins to petty Royals without spilling a drop of blood. He stood up to end the game. Shakuni saw it and tensed. The fool was going to spoil all his plans. But fortunately for the foreigner, Yudhishtra lifted his head and said clearly, "Cousin, do not insult me by stopping the game now. I am sure I will win in the end." The gambler in Yudhishtra had taken possession of him. Nothing mattered but the next roll of the dice. He knew with utter certainty that his luck would turn.





Neelakantan, Anand (2013-12-11). AJAYA : Epic of the Kaurava Clan (ROLL OF THE DICE) (Kindle Locations 6031-6038). Leadstart Publishing Pvt Ltd. Kindle Edition.
Edited by bheegi - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
wow dury here is quite a calm and levelheaded person.no doubt people who have read only ajaya defend him so strongly
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Posted: 11 years ago
Ajaya is the complete turned perspective.
It is told from Duri's POV.

and a lot of the stuff written there are a little hard to digest for someone even as open minded as me.
So I sold the book back to kindle again.

They say a lot said about the pandavas were propaganda like the ones carried on today's time.

Somehow it paints duri again in too much white light. Duri was grey, with black portions dominating.

However one thing is right. Although none of the TV shows show it, even the versions of MB i read shows, Duri's name was suyodhana. His behaviour earned him the name duryodhan and not the name dhri gives in for whatever reason here.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate

Ajaya is the complete turned perspective.

It is told from Duri's POV.

and a lot of the stuff written there are a little hard to digest for someone even as open minded as me.
So I sold the book back to kindle again.

They say a lot said about the pandavas were propaganda like the ones carried on today's time.

Somehow it paints duri again in too much white light. Duri was grey, with black portions dominating.

However one thing is right. Although none of the TV shows show it, even the versions of MB i read shows, Duri's name was suyodhana. His behaviour earned him the name duryodhan and not the name dhri gives in for whatever reason here.


Yeah, the author does mention in the preface that he is a rebel. Apparently, he was inspired by a temple in Kerala where people worship Duri

I'm sure there are always two sides to a story. Neither were Pandavs very good and neither was Duri so evil as it's made out to be
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: bheegi


Yeah, the author does mention in the preface that he is a rebel. Apparently, he was inspired by a temple in Kerala where people worship Duri

I'm sure there are always two sides to a story. Neither were Pandavs very good and neither was Duri so evil as it's made out to be


And to add to this, if we take the Kurukshetra war as a fact, the entire Mahabharat was the version of the story as told by the victorious. And we know how unbiased history told by the victors is.

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Well to each their own right..."Jaaki rahe bhavna jaisi..."
Some say Duri loved Karan like his own brother; others say he used Karna because he could never ever match up to the greatness of Arjun otherwise.

Some say Duri was a good friend; others say the kings who proclaimed to be his friends were scared of him

Some say Duri was a good king; others say he corrupted his citizens and enjoyed the loyalty of those he bribed.

At the end of the day everyone is free to believe what they wish and ignore what they dislike

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Originally posted by: DrModel

Well to each their own right..."Jaaki rahe bhavna jaisi..."

Some say Duri loved Karan like his own brother; others say he used Karna because he could never ever match up to the greatness of Arjun otherwise.

Some say Duri was a good friend; others say the kings who proclaimed to be his friends were scared of him

Some say Duri was a good king; others say he corrupted his citizens and enjoyed the loyalty of those he bribed.

At the end of the day everyone is free to believe what they wish and ignore what they dislike


You should read the book "yuganta' It's an eye opener on Karna's character and his relationship with Dury

Dury considered Karna a close friend but in reality he used him because of his fear of Arjun. If he truly cared for him, he would have made sure Karna married into a royal family so his sons would be Kshatriyas too. Karna married sutas and his kids were also sutas so they really couldn't move up on the social ladder

Also, Karna was always conflicted and even though he was Dury's close friend, during Kurukshetra war, it became more of an issue of his own ego. He didn't fight for first 10 days because of his conflict with Bhishma. If he really cared about his friend winning, he would have made sure he fought even if it was under Bhishma. Then later, he should have killed all the Pandavs and not made a promise to Kunti that he will only kill Arjun, not the others. As a commander in chief of an army, that was not loyalty

BTW, these thoughts are also from Yuganta but I do agree with author to a large extent

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