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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shruti

Thanks for this thread. I do hold his treatment of Amba against him, but aside from that, I don't deny his greatness.

One thing I disagree w/ - the 8 Vasus should have lived up the entire curse, rather than ask Ganga to as their mother drown them the moment they were born. They belonged to Shantanu as well, and it was highly criminal of her to kill them w/o his permission. Note that this is a criticism of Ganga, rather than Devaratha.

Somewhere later, I'll nag you again for citation of any vows of his beyond his famous Brahmachari vow 😈

P.S. As a Bheeshma fan, have you read all of Shanti Parva?
Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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"Vaisampayana said, 'There was a king known by the name of Mahabhisha born in the race of Ikshvaku. He was the lord of all the earth, and was truthful (in speech) and of true prowess. By a thousand horse-sacrifices and a hundredRajasuyas he had gratified the chief of the celestials and ultimately attained to heaven.

"One day the celestials had assembled together and were worshipping Brahman. Many royal sages and king Mahabhisha also were present on the spot. And Ganga, the queen of rivers, also came there to pay her adorations to the Grandsire. And her garments white as the beams of the moon was displaced by the action of the wind. And as her person became exposed, the celestials bent down their heads. But the royal sage Mahabhisha rudely stared at the queen of rivers. And Mahabhisha was for this cursed by Brahman, who said, 'Wretch, as thou hast forgotten thyself at the sight of Ganga, thou shalt be re-born on earth. But thou shall again and again attain to these regions. And she, too, shall be born in the world of men and shall do thee injuries. But when thy wrath shall be provoked, thou shalt then be freed from my curse.'

"Vaisampayana continued, 'King Mahabhisha then recollecting all the monarchs and ascetics on earth, wished to be born as son to Pratipa of great prowess. And the queen of rivers, too, seeing king Mahabhisha lose his firmness, went away, thinking of him wishfully. And on her way, she saw those dwellers in heaven, the Vasus, also pursuing the same path. And the queen of rivers beholding them in the predicament, asked them, 'Why look ye so dejected? Ye dwellers in heaven, is everything right with you?' Those celestials, the Vasus, answered her, saying, 'O queen of rivers, we have been cursed, for a venial fault, by the illustrious Vasishtha in anger. The foremost of excellent Rishis, Vasishtha, had been engaged in his twilight adorations and seated as he was, he could not be seen by us. We crossed him in ignorance. Therefore, in wrath he hath cursed us, saying, Be ye born among men!' It is beyond our power to frustrate what hath been said by that utterance of Brahma. Therefore, O river, thyself becoming a human female make us the Vasus, thy children. O amiable one, we are unwilling to enter the womb of any human female.' Thus addressed, the queen of rivers told them, 'Be it so and asked them, 'On earth, who is that foremost of men whom ye will make your father?'

"The Vasus replied, 'On earth, unto Pratipa shall be born a son, Santanu, who will be a king of world-wide fame.' Ganga then said, 'Ye celestials, that is exactly my wish which ye sinless ones have expressed. I shall, indeed, do good to that Santanu. That is also your desire as just expressed.' The Vasus then said, 'It behoveth thee to throw thy children after birth, into the water, so that, O thou of three courses (celestial, terrestrial, and subterranean) we may be rescued soon without having to live on earth for any length of time.' Ganga then answered, 'I shall do what ye desire. But in order that his intercourse with me may not be entirely fruitless, provide ye that one son at least may live.' The Vasus then replied, 'We shall each contribute an eighth part of our respective energies With the sum thereof, thou shall have one son according to thy and his wishes. But this son shall not begat any children on earth. Therefore, that son of thine endued with great energy, shall be childless.'

"The Vasus, making this arrangement with Ganga, went away without Waiting to the place they liked.'"

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Posted: 11 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Shruti

Thanks for this thread. I do hold his treatment of Amba against him, but aside from that, I don't deny his greatness.

One thing I disagree w/ - the 8 Vasus should have lived up the entire curse, rather than ask Ganga to as their mother drown them the moment they were born. They belonged to Shantanu as well, and it was highly criminal of her to kill them w/o his permission. Note that this is a criticism of Ganga, rather than Devaratha.

Somewhere later, I'll nag you again for citation of any vows of his beyond his famous Brahmachari vow 😈

P.S. As a Bheeshma fan, have you read all of Shanti Parva?

That's a nice viewpoint.

No I haven't read Shanti Parva yet. Will start reading soon.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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After the War when Bhishma lying on the bed of arrows, Yudhishtira comes to him for Rajya-anushasana deeksha.


After a long discussion stretching over nearly 150 adhyayas, covering diverse topics, Yudhishthira asks "Kim ekam devtam loke kim vapyekam parayanam?"

In this universe Who is the one (ekam) refuge (paryaam) for all? Who (kim) is the greatest (ekam) Lord (daivatam) in the world (loke)? By eulogising (sthuvanta) whom (kam) can a person (mnav) reach auspiciousness (ubham) (peace and prosperity)? By worshipping (archanta) whom can a person reach auspiciousness (peace and prosperity)? What (kah) is, in thy opinion, the Greatest Dharma of all Dharmas? By (kim) chanting whose name, can a "creature" (jantuh) proceed beyond (muchyate) the bonds (bandhant) of samsra?

Bhishma closes his eyes for a minute. In his mind's eye he sees a glorious figure- clad in Pitamabara... with a mace, conch, discus and padma in his four hands, lying on his Bhujaga Shayana , a padma emerging from his navel...the sustainer of the World ...Without a beginning and without an end...Achuyta...Ananta...

He open his eyes and sees Krishna in front of him. Trying to bring his arrow pierced hands together in salutation, Bhishma answers Yudhishthira's question:

"He who is dark as a rain cloud, clad in pitamabara and upaveeta... with the srivatsa and the kaustubha on his chest...makara kundala in his ears...He who is flanked by Rukmini and Satyabhama... O Yudhishthira... Krishna alone is your refuge."

Chandrananam Chaturrbahum
Srivatsangita Vakshasam
Rukmini Satyabhamapyam Sahitam
Krishna- aham- Ashraye


Thus begins the second most often quoted piece from MB- The Vishnu Sahasranama- (the first, obviously, being BG) Om Vishwam Vishnu Vashatkaro...

Spanning over 100 verses, Bhishma recites the 1000 names of Vishnu. Names that are recited religiously even today, Names that are said to contain the power and essence of the entire Srimad Bhagavtaham, Names that are said to provide moksha.

Interestingly, while Bishma was reciting the Vishnu Sahasranama on Earth, it was narrated by Shiva to Parvati high up in Kailash.






Edited by varaali - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very informative post. Tfs :-)

Didn't know that Lord Shiva was its narrator as well, at the same time.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thx varaali. I was not aware that vishnu sahasranam comes from mb.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: -Shruti

Very informative post. Tfs :-)

Didn't know that Lord Shiva was its narrator as well, at the same time.


You are welcome Shruti.

At the end of the narration, Parvati asks Shiva "O Lord, Is there any way in which the Vishnu Sahasranama can be recited in a condensed form and yet reap all the benefits? Kena upaayena laghuna Vishnur Nama Sahasrakam..."

Then Shiva- the eternal Rama Bhakta- recites the most famous sloka in Vishnu Sahasranama:

"Sri Raama Raama iti Ramey Raamey Manoramey / Sahasranama Tatulyam Raama Naama Varaananey"
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: varaali


You are welcome Shruti.

At the end of the narration, Parvati asks Shiva "O Lord, Is there any way in which the Vishnu Sahasranama can be recited in a condensed form and yet reap all the benefits? Kena upaayena laghuna Vishnur Nama Sahasrakam..."

Then Shiva- the eternal Rama Bhakta- recites the most famous sloka in Vishnu Sahasranama:

"Sri Raama Raama iti Ramey Raamey Manoramey / Sahasranama Tatulyam Raama Naama Varaananey"


The shloka is also part of raamraksha. So it looks like it was borrowed from vishnu sahasranam.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Cotswolds



The shloka is also part of raamraksha. So it looks like it was borrowed from vishnu sahasranam.

Yes! This particular shloka in Raamraksha Stotram must have been borrowed from Vishnu Sahasranam.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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wow thanks for this thread...

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