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Posted: 12 years ago
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That's a gr8 viewpoint...
But like u said the main reason was for Arjuna... He was his favourite after all... Loved him like a son, admired him more than he admired his son's capabilities n was most proud of Arjuna too...

Drona was narrow minded when it came to teach a 'suta' s son too, so maybe Ekalavya's caste played a role too..


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Posted: 12 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: -Spice-

That's a gr8 viewpoint...

But like u said the main reason was for Arjuna... He was his favourite after all... Loved him like a son, admired him more than he admired his son's capabilities n was most proud of Arjuna too...

Drona was narrow minded when it came to teach a 'suta' s son too, so maybe Ekalavya's caste played a role too..


it did play a role..he wanted Arjun to become only greatest archer warrior that their wouldnt be no one like him...but agian their were 2 more...Eklavya and Karan...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Reshama.

Dron was a brahmin but in my eyes he acted also like a kshyatriya and he wasnt a full rightfull brahmin to me..a bonifide brahmin wouldnt act like Dron...He wanted revenge his friend and wanted half of his kingdom. Astwathamma became a the King..He was very wrong..



Drona's father Bharadwaj was a product of an attempted rape, while he himself was a product of just masturbation - no mothers in either case. So he was indeed amongst the lowest of Brahmins. When Yudisthir told him his lie in the battlefield, Bhima addressed him as 'Brahmabandhu', which translates into 'lowly Brahmin', or someone unfit to be a Brahmin

"Vaisampayana said, 'There dwelt at the source of the Ganga, a great sage named Bharadwaja, ceaselessly observing the most rigid vows. One day, of old, intending to celebrate the Agnihotra sacrifice he went along with many great Rishis to the Ganga to perform his ablutions. Arrived at the bank of the stream, he saw Ghritachi herself, that Apsara endued with youth and beauty, who had gone there a little before. With an expression of pride in her countenance, mixed with a voluptuous languor of attitude, the damsel rose from the water after her ablutions were over. And as she was gently treading on the bank, her attire which was loose became disordered. Seeing her attire disordered, the sage was smitten with burning desire. The next moment his vital fluid came out, in consequence of the violence of his emotion. The Rishi immediately held it in a vessel called a drona. Then, O king, Drona sprang from the fluid thus preserved in that vessel by the wise Bharadwaja. And the child thus born studied all the Vedas and their branches. Before now Bharadwaja of great prowess and the foremost of those possessing a knowledge of arms, had communicated to the illustrious Agnivesa, a knowledge of the weapon calledAgneya. O foremost one of Bharata's race, the Rishi (Agnivesa) sprung from fire now communicated the knowledge of that great weapon to Drona the son of his preceptor.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Reshama.

it did play a role..he wanted Arjun to become only greatest warrior that their wouldnt be no one like him...But in reality he was wrong...


Isn't that the gr8ness of this Epic! I love Mahabharata mainly because each character is far from perfect... Mayb exceptions r n Yudhistira ... N they r also shown as people with weaknesses... As for Drona, he is a character with lots of grey shades...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.



Drona's father Bharadwaj was a product of an attempted rape, while he himself was a product of just masturbation - no mothers in either case. So he was indeed amongst the lowest of Brahmins. When Yudisthir told him his lie in the battlefield, Bhima addressed him as 'Brahmabandhu', which translates into 'lowly Brahmin', or someone unfit to be a Brahmin

Honestly am very shocked while reading this..he didnt had a motherfigure in his life...
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.



Drona's father Bharadwaj was a product of an attempted rape, while he himself was a product of just masturbation - no mothers in either case. So he was indeed amongst the lowest of Brahmins. When Yudisthir told him his lie in the battlefield, Bhima addressed him as 'Brahmabandhu', which translates into 'lowly Brahmin', or someone unfit to be a Brahmin



Sorry to go off track here... I am assuming u r referring to Ashwatthama being dead here when u mentioned Yudhistira's lie.. But Yudhistira didn't really lie did he? Krishna said to the Pandavas - in order to defeat Drona he has to be heartbroken which he would be if Drona is told that his son has died in the war... Yudhistira refuses to lie... So they named an elephant Ashwatthama n killed it... Now Yudhistira said- Ashwatthamo hathaha bathah kunjaraha... Translated as- Ashwatthama has been killed , the elephant ... The last part was told softly n Drona didn't hear that... So in truth it was a war tactic not really a lie...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Spice-

Sorry to go off track here... I am assuming u r referring to Ashwatthama being dead here when u mentioned Yudhistira's lie.. But Yudhistira didn't really lie did he? Krishna said to the Pandavas - in order to defeat Drona he has to be heartbroken which he would be if Drona is told that his son has died in the war... Yudhistira refuses to lie... So they named an elephant Ashwatthama n killed it... Now Yudhistira said- Ashwatthamo hathaha bathah kunjaraha... Translated as- Ashwatthama has been killed , the elephant ... The last part was told softly n Drona didn't hear that... So in truth it was a war tactic not really a lie...


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Indra gave Yudi that reason, not I. I agree w/ you, and don't think that Yudisthir deserved hell for that reason (he did deserve it for others, such as gambling away his kingdom, brothers & wife). Nonetheless, Indra was fine w/ that, & only not ok w/ his telling Drona about Ashwatthama's death
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Eklavya, a self made man, a self learned student. Eklavya could learn archery better without Drona's blessings, knowledge and endorse. Better than even Drona's favorite student. He taught himself without submitting himself to a teacher and this is a reason he's treated as a hero.

Eklavya was born in a tribe, nishada tribe and that was engaged in anti-social acts. They were used to create trouble for the citizens as well as the Kuru dynasty. This is the reason they were allotted to live in the forest. And from there too they were creating problems for the people. When Eklavya approached Drona, he refused to accept him as his student. Most of the people claim this was due to his cast. But let's keep in mind that Drona had been sheltered and appointed by the Kurus. So how could he teach someone who belonged to a cast harming them? I don't think Drona was so narrowed minded.

Because Drona accepted Dhristadyumna as his student despite of knowing he would slay him in the future. So he wouldn't have accepted him in case his mind was so narrow.

So perhaps Drona observed that Eklavya didn't had the character of a protector. A person gains knowledge by not just being expert in the art but after understanding how to use the art he learned. Eklavya had the potential to become the best archer but the character to protect was missing.

Still, Eklavya's determination to learn was unparalleled. He made a clay form of Drona and practiced in front. He practiced; he learnt and became an expert. One day when Drona was travelling in the forest with his students, they spotted a dog which had his mouth sewn up with arrows. Eklavya had been practicing and the dog had been barking. An irritated Eklavya shot arrows to silence the dog. Arjuna was amazed and stunned to see this extraordinary competence in archery used against a harmless creature. All dogs bark, but do this mean we all need to shoot arrows to quiet them? Never! There are several ways to get rid of them without harming. This was such a cruel act against an innocent creature. Arjuna wanted to know who did this and went to inform Drona. Drona came forward and Eklavya bent to him. He addressed Drona as his teacher.

Drona then demanded his "Guru dakshina" and the self-made archer had to sacrifice his thumb. Many argue he demanded his thumb as he never wanted anyone to be better than his favorite student. Yes this is a main reason for sure, not the sole reason. He may have thought that Eklavya may become an anti-social element in the future, looking at how he treated a harmless dog. So in the future he may create troubles for innocent people. To end all the possibilities, he demanded his thumb. Eklavya without a hesitation agreed and sacrificed his thumb. He will always be remembered for his selfless adoration and respect for his Guru, a Guru who never considered him his student, who never taught him. I've always been against this act of Drona. Eklavya cut his thumb without a bit of hesitation, so wouldn't he have developed a character he lacked, if Drona wanted him to do so? Indra felt ashamed after Karna handed over his Kavach and Kundal to him. This is the reason he gave him a powerful weapon, Bramhastra. Drona would have given something to Eklavya.

But Eklavya still practiced the art and decided to battle for the Kauravas in the war. So before the war, Krishna challenged him and killed him in the battle between them. He was purified and released by Krishna.

So Eklavya had the ability to become the greatest archer, but he lacked the character. This is the reason he used his skills against a harmless creature. His character would have caused troubles for him and others too. Drona's act can't be considered fair, and so he received a curse.

Both sides were guilty!

Great post👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Great post ... All my doubts got cleared...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Gr8 viewpoint! I got ur point, Drona must have observed that Eklavya lacks a warrior's character, his fear came true in future. Eklavya will always be remembered as the most selfless student. Many claim he'd have become the best warrior, really?

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