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Posted: 11 years ago
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Essay time

In this serial, I'll use this thread to discuss my views on the serial, and just comment on comments in the WUs. Everything would be in one place, that way.

First of all, this first episode was a great downer!!! Sure, the costumes, the set & everything else looked awesome, but if there are changes in the story - something inevitable - that end up depicting certain characters unfairly, it leaves someone rather unimpressed.

The opening - Krishna's narration. I think this serial should go easy on the bhashans, especially about dharam/adharm, since there was plenty of both to go around. Besides, somehow, SRJ did not deliver the intro as nicely as he used to in DkDM - no offense to his fans here.

Opening scene - bizarre!!! Some rakshashas are attacking Hastinapur, and first Bheeshma stops them, and then persuades Shantanu to accept an agreement where neither trespasses on others' land? Maybe, they are laying the foundation of Hidimbaa not being able to live w/ Bhima later, but it's still rather lame. Instead, they could have shown Hastinapur being attacked by a real enemy, maybe Jarasandha, and Bheeshma intervening to thwart that.

As someone else noted in another thread, they totally skipped Shantanu's romance w/ Ganga, as well as the birth of Bheeshma. Can't say I blame them - it's hard to rationalize the drowning of 7 babies, especially if the goal of the serial is to reach out to a modern viewership, that's a lot less likely to endorse something like this, even under the rationalization of liberation from previous births. I'd say the CVs made a good judgement call in starting this story w/ Bheeshma's appearance in Hastinapur & his re-union w/ his father. And they covered the ending of the relationship b/w Shantanu & Ganga well - Ganga telling them that her avatar as a woman was over, and that she would leave. Incidentally, I was somewhat unimpressed by Vivana, but then, hers was just a cameo appearance.

Having said that, there was a period of time b/w Bheeshma returning to Hastinapur, and his father seeing & getting smitten by Satyavati. Shantanu had already crowned Bheeshma, and was ruling normally, but always felt the absense of a woman in his life. As a result, when he saw Satyavati, he got smitten. But by then, quite a bit of time had passed, and so, when the request was made to him that Satyavati's son become yuvraj, he balked. But here, they showed it like Satyavati was already Shantanu's girlfriend on the side when Bheeshma was introduced 🤣

Now, here is probably the most controversial aspect of what they showed, & not b'cos of just the inaccuracy. At that time, as Varaali has pointed out, women didn't have rights - a man, particularly a king, could simply pick up a girl from anywhere & marry her. The only people who could stop him would be a male relative of the girl - father, brother, (husband - as in the case of Sita 😆), and so on. Princesses had a little more right in that if they were lucky enough to get swayamvaras - as opposed to being gifted by their fathers or brothers to friendly rulers in order to forge matrimonial alliances, then they got the opportunity to either choose their husband, or at least get a worthy husband from the best of a lot. But someone like Satyavati - daughter of a fisherman - had no say in who she got to marry. This is why I disagree here w/ everybody who is critical of her, going to ridiculous lengths by comparing her to Kaikeyi. By showing Satyavati as independently deciding where she would live after marriage, they distorted not just her character - bad enough - but also the depiction of what the norms were like at the time, which is totally ridiculous: women just didn't have such a say even in their own lives, no matter what Swastik Productions might want us to believe.

Oh, and Satyavati's condition that she'd marry Shantanu but not live in the Hastinapur palace? Why would that be difficult for Shantanu - he'd get the best of both worlds - his Devrath being yuvraj & ultimately king, while he could retire w/ Satyavati. As it is, usually when a king crowned his son yuvraj & retired b4 death, he would retire w/ his wife to the forest - he never lived as a retiree in the palace (Dhritarashtra was a weird exception). So had Shantanu been presented w/ this option, it would have been a pretty good option for him, given his desire to retire.

Which is why omitting Satyavati's father, and showing her as being the ambitious one made no sense. Also, maybe it's just me, but if this is how they wanted to show Satyavati, Sayantani was the worst vehicle they could have chosen for this role - somehow, she doesn't deliver the vamp persona that the CVs decided to 'bestow' on this Satyavati. If anything, Sayantani could have swapped roles w/ Ratan Rajput - she could have played Amba later, while Ratan could have played Satyavati - that would have been more convincing a turn-off.

Also, if this condition was imposed, and Devrath was not yet yuvraj, then why would Shantanu have gone ahead & had him crowned then? The reason Shantanu was in a quandry was that Devrath was already yuvraj for a while, and that he'd have to remove him and replace him w/ a son yet to be born. Otherwise, Shantanu could have defered this decision, agreed to Satyavati's father (or Satyavati's, if one wants to go by this serial) and married her. Devrath could and would not have complained about not becoming yuvraj, particularly if he was so willing to give it up, along w/ his right to marry.

The final scene - Devrath resolving to find out what was bothering Shantanu. In the original story, Devrath asked Shantanu's courtiers about it, and they told him about Satyavati. He then met her father, who told her about his conditions, which he happily accepted. Here, they showed it like he magically divined what was in Shantanu's mind, went to Satyavati, confronted her, and got an earful about the miserable life she'd have to lead after marrying the king.

Sorry, while I may have watched it at prime time, this serial is not worth the extra effort to watch during the reruns. Like DkDM nowadays, I'll probably mainly follow and discuss it here.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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It was a good epi. Satyavati as Shantanu's GF was bit funny. The women in that era were strong. They are portraying her ambitions as the main reason as the root cause of this Saga. MB is the main source of all the stories of almost all the fiction shows. I guess Satyavati's characterisatin here is inspired from these fiction shows. 😆
Shantanu was good, as a King who is getting old, wants to spend his remaining life peacefully. He was fair to Devavrat,in declaring him as Yuvaraj. Has he controlled his feelings then this story would have been different.
Devavrta is a good son. He was the 8th Vasu, was born as a curse, didn't have any past Karmas as his Destiny, so he created his own Destiny.
Rakshasaa were good & funny. They were supposed to be crual by nature.
Ganga was glamourous, she was a surprise, with perfect posture & costume, hope to see some good acting too in future.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I know that he was the fisherman who demanded to see his adopted daughter as Hastinapur's Maharani & Rajmata, not Satyavati directly. But can we forget that Satyavati was a princess actually by birth, & the blood of a kshatriya woman may easily wish that honor, which can easily make her such ambitious. yes she did not say in real story directly, but I think she always had a strong support to her father's intention, otherwise she could oppose it, at least in back of Shantanu & Devavrat, that she really loves the King & do not need such cruel conditions for marriage which will ruin one innocent life. but she didn't. remember, she did not wait for her father's permission when Vyas Dev was born. why did she bother her father in this case then? I can't think that Satyavati was used by her father only, without her own intention. otherwise the most beautiful & eternally young Matsyagandha could not be attracted so easily to old Shantanu.

Also, I badly missed the story of Maa Ganga as well as the Ashto Basu's curse fact. I think they do not want to show those curse things & probably wants to make the show as real as possible. but Mahabharat is full of miracles, how can they do so?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
very impressive start,background music and special effects wow
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45
THe episode was just awesoome!!1 and the mythological relevance of all the characters is superbb!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Episode Review: 16/09/2013
Finally after the long wait.. we have it here now 😊

Firstly I liked the title track 😛😆

Ok.. now to the main story..

I was surprised that they started off with Shantanu-Satyavati... was expecting to begin with Krishna.. oh well..

It was a bit odd to see that fish scene of Satyavati 🤔.. but I guess it was needed to show Satyavati being overly ambitious.. I liked Sayantani here 👍🏼

Krishna's vrindavan is beautiful 😳.. but the makers have to keep in mind.. that they don't use big, heavy words.. that will make it difficult for the young generation to understand ..else the whole purpose of him being a narrator would be futile ...I would also advice that he mentions the characters name while he is narrating .. so people relate it much better.. But since it is the 1st episode.. I will let it go.. I loved SRJ as krishna 😳

Bhishma's entry was again a bit odd.. but I guess.. we have to give them some leeway for character introductions.. they might go a bit overboard there.. oh well..

Like others ..even I would have loved to see Shantanu-Ganga story and the birth of bhishma.. but I guess they are not interested in showing how their past life is effecting their present life.. 😕

I might be in the minority but I liked the actor who played Bhishma 😊.. I am sure with time.. he will grow on others.. when he will age

Sameer is good 😊.. but I am quite indifferent to Shantanu for some reason.. 😕😆

They have taken a big leeway with Satyawati's character..they made it seem like it was satyawati who was over-ambitious and not her father.. I guess the makers wanted to show that MB is mainly focussed around some central characters.. and satyavati's father is not impt enough..hence they made satyavati the ambitious one here.. In their defence I guess they can say that there is nothing which is written that Satyavati wasn't ambitious.. maybe she would have been too ..

Kashmir locations are beautiful 😊

I have noticed that mythos and historicals take some time for us to get used to.. and it is only the first episode.. with time when things settle.. and we get into the meat of the story...I am hoping everyone will accept this MB 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I like the episode but it's not impressed me that much..I watched it with my father n some people know how my father is..he constantly sating it's not right...it's not like the old one..blah blah blah n it irritate me so much n with that when I saw the total different story of Satyavati it made me more irritate...I mean Shantanu met Devavrata first n he was crowned...after that Shantanu met Satyavati when he was riding her boat n it was like a love at first site for him..then he met her father n asked for her hand..it was her father who demanded that Satyavati's son will be the king n not Devavrat..they are talking about Dwapar Yug right?I don't think that time was more modern then present time..I mean Satyavati is Shantanu's GF?😕...it is just too much..first episode main hi story itna change kar diya..I hope age sahi se karenge...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deboleena.manna

I watched it with my father n some people know how my father is..he constantly sating it's not right...it's not like the old one..blah blah blah n it irritate me so much


True story .. I watched it with my mother.. and when Satyavati fish scene was happening.. my mother was like ..this never happened.. what is happening.. where did this rakshasas come in here??.. etc etc.. I have decided now that will watch the show online.. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I just Loved 1st Episode 😊 Waiting for Arjun entry ❤️ ❤️
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Of The Legend...

let me start by saying that I was impressed by the first episode. The set spoke of grandeur and the direction was fine too and the actors fit their characters very well. For me the first and the last scene stood out and all because of Satyavati. She is a woman of substance and knows exactly what she wants, and she is someone who will either have it or die trying. What is interesting about her desire to have it all is that, she is willing to work for it, Sangharsh and Sukh, she wants it both. For instance, while catching that huge fish, she is unwilling to accept king Shantanu's help, no she wants it and she will labour for it. Another thing that acquires the tip most rank in her sequence of things is respect or Sammaan and she is not willing to trade it for any happiness or comfort in the world. When Shantanu tells her that he would be crowning his long lost son, Devrat, the Yuvraj, she makes it very clear that she'd rather live as the ruler of the fisher community than as a palatial servant or a name-sake queen (doesn't one hear the echo of Milton's Satan here, "better rule in hell than serve in heaven?) and if King Shantanu wants her, he has to either make Satyavati's son the yuvraj or live with her as a fisherman, what should be noted here is that she gives him both options and for someone who had been talking so much about Shanti or peace, wouldn't the second option seem perfect. But as we know, it is on thing to claim to want Shanti and another thing to actually give up all the worldly pleasures or Bhaotik Sukh and actually strive for Shanti. Krishna as the Sutradhar makes the distinction very clear. He says that though it's our wants and desires that define us, yet our ultimate knowledge of ourselves comes from when we learn to let go of these desires, its then that we achieve Nirvana or Gyan or even Moksha. Well, in the light of the above mentioned statement, Satyavati seems to me as a better character for she is well aware of her desires and doesn't feel the need to hide behind the mask of hypocrisy, that for Shantanu is Shanti.

Now comes Devrat, the ideal son, the superior being, the product of when the worldly meets the beyond. He has the bodily strength as well as the strength of character. One who has the potential to be a great king and has the opportunity as well, but he is willing to sacrifice it all, so that his ageing father who claims to want nothing but Shanti can have his carnal desires fulfilled. Well amongst all these great personalities aren't we forgetting something, aren't these gr8 personalities forgetting something? I am talking about the subjects here, those who comprise the 99% of the population, they are the one's who always go ignored. For Shantanu would nominate Devrat as the King, coz the custom dictates so, Satyavati wants her own blood to rue the empire coz she dreams big and Devrat would happi;y sacrifice the throne for the happiness of his father. Where is all this is the consideration for the ruled, the masses? Wouldn't it be a more practical approach to let the one who is the best in most ways be the king?

Now all said and done, many would argue that if it wasn't for Satyavati's selfishness or Shantanu's hypocrisy or Devrat's impulsive high-headedness, all this mess could have been prevented but then the question is, would there have been a Mahabharat then? For isn't it the worst mistakes of humankind that result into the best of stories? For isn't it the imperfections and the wrong choices that make a compelling and beautiful story that rules our hearts and mind even after several millenniums?

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