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Posted: 11 years ago
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I've written about this b4 in the Imagine TV Ramayan forum in this site - Rama could not be knowledgeable about his avatar, given the nature of Ravan's boon. Ravan's boon required that Vishnu not be able to kill him. Therefore, had Vishnu taken, say, Krishna's avatar & tried killing him, it wouldn't have worked, and neither would something like Varaha or Narasimha. The boon required a man to kill him, but the problem was that no ordinary man could pull it off, which was why Vishnu had to take this avatar and have him built from the ground up as far as knowledge went. (That's why I have an issue w/ non-Valmiki Ramayans, since they assume that Rama had the same sort of awareness & divine powers that Krishna had, which he didn't)

Krishna OTOH didn't come w/ any specific targets, and had a whole host of enemies to destroy. So his role was very different.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I have doubt about the order of faults due to which the four pandavs and draupadi died.

I mean as per the text draupadi fell/died first because she loved arjun more than the other four but my question - Is showing inequality in love a bigger sin than being proud of your knowledge or looks or your archery or in that matter not caring about other's hunger?

I strongly feel draupadi dying first only because of the above reason is not correct.

experts please enlighten me with your gyaan😊


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lovesunshine

I have doubt about the order of faults due to which the four pandavs and draupadi died.

I mean as per the text draupadi fell/died first because she loved arjun more than the other four but my question - Is showing inequality in love a bigger sin than being proud of your knowledge or looks or your archery or in that matter not caring about other's hunger?

I strongly feel draupadi dying first only because of the above reason is not correct.

experts please enlighten me with your gyaan😊




it seems defination of dharm has changed a lot in this kalyug. We cannot digest Ved Vyas's logic of dharm 😆😆 Dear we are thinking by todays's standards for us. If Ved Vyas ji would have come down to meet us then a huge argument would break between us 😆😆😆.

Most of the time I think by today's standards but I end up thinking bu that eras standards. For example Yudhisthtir for me is a sinner more then Duryodhan but when I think from the point of view of that period ten I don't find Yudhisthir a sinner. More then them I find Bheeshm, Gandhari, Kunti, Dhritrashtra culprits for Draupadi Vastra haran. And I hold Gandhari prime reason for Mahabhart.

As Krishna also accused her in the end when gandhari cursed him.

By the way I am no expert or Maha gyani Ved vyas just puting my point of views and not even arguing 😆
Edited by rasyafan - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lovesunshine

I have doubt about the order of faults due to which the four pandavs and draupadi died.

I mean as per the text draupadi fell/died first because she loved arjun more than the other four but my question - Is showing inequality in love a bigger sin than being proud of your knowledge or looks or your archery or in that matter not caring about other's hunger?

I strongly feel draupadi dying first only because of the above reason is not correct.

experts please enlighten me with your gyaan😊



No, but Draupadi had a boon that she'd never be widowed. So had the other 4, or any number of them, died b4 her, she'd have been partially widowed. So she died first, and once she did, the others could also then die.

It had nothing to do w/ which sin was greater - the Pandavas then died in reverse chronological order.
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Posted: 11 years ago
@rasyafan thanks dear...

@vrish thanks dear i did not know abt draupadi's boon and i agree to it now . but the reason given by yudhisthir abt the reason for her death is not entirely correct then..
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Posted: 11 years ago
I have a question about the yagna that Drupada did - was Draupadi an objective of it, like Dhrishtadyumna was?

After all, Drupada defeated the Kauravas, but was defeated by the Pandavas. So if anything, after his humiliation, it would seem logical that after a son to kill Drona, he'd want a daughter to cause the destruction of the Pandavas. Why should he do an yagna for the destruction of a family that he had defeated, when he knew that he could defeat them w/ his own power. He had Shikhandi to cause Bheeshma's death, he had Dhrishtadyumna for Drona, and so he'd need someone to destroy Arjun, who caused his humiliation b4 Drona in the first place. Duryodhan tried but failed. And he could have used another warrior to deal w/ Ashwatthama & Kripacharya.

Somehow I don't get how getting a daughter to marry Arjun would wean away the Pandavas from Drona's side to Drupada's. If anything, it would make Drupada beholden to the Pandavas.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I have a question about the yagna that Drupada did - was Draupadi an objective of it, like Dhrishtadyumna was?

After all, Drupada defeated the Kauravas, but was defeated by the Pandavas. So if anything, after his humiliation, it would seem logical that after a son to kill Drona, he'd want a daughter to cause the destruction of the Pandavas. Why should he do an yagna for the destruction of a family that he had defeated, when he knew that he could defeat them w/ his own power. He had Shikhandi to cause Bheeshma's death, he had Dhrishtadyumna for Drona, and so he'd need someone to destroy Arjun, who caused his humiliation b4 Drona in the first place. Duryodhan tried but failed. And he could have used another warrior to deal w/ Ashwatthama & Kripacharya.

Somehow I don't get how getting a daughter to marry Arjun would wean away the Pandavas from Drona's side to Drupada's. If anything, it would make Drupada beholden to the Pandavas.


I think Drupada didn't expect Arjuna to win the contest. Like everyone else, he too thought the Pandavas had perished in the Lac- house. Let alone win, he didn't expect them to attend the swayamvara even.

Drupada may have expected Jarashandha's son Sahadeva to win the contest. In that case both Panchala and Magadha would have joined hands to form a formidable alliance against the Kurus. Hastinapur would not have stood a chance against the combined might of Jarasandha and Drupada.

In case Duryodhana had won the contest, Drupda would have used all his powers to separate him from Dronacharya. Drupada would have helped Duryodhana's ascent to the throne and once Duryodhana was established as the king, Drupada would have asked Duryodhana to alienate Dronachrya. It would not have been too difficult- given that Duryodhana was never a Drona- favourite.

What Drupada certainly did not anticipate was Arjuna winning the bride. Having given Draupadi in marriage to Arjuna, there was no way he could use Arjuna- a staunch Drona shishya- against Drona.

Drupada now only had Drishtadyumna to rely on.

Edited by varaali - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
But I've read in different places that Drupada actually wanted a daughter to cause the destruction of the Kurus - that was what was announced when Draupadi emerged from the flames.

Another possibility - he knew of Drona wanting to face Arjun in war, and decided to win Arjun over to take advantage of that situation for real, and make it a real war, instead of a Bheeshma-Parashurama type battle.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Why was Duyodhan's statue being made? I thought the statues were only made for the kings of Hastinapur? He was not even the yuvraj then...
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Posted: 11 years ago
Not a question but annoyance at the battle between Dupada and Kauravas,

Karan was part of the war

Dhtarra consulted with Bhma, Vidura and the Brahmins. They all decided that Yudhihira should be installed as prince regent. The ceremony was soon performed and the people rejoiced.
Duryodhana, however, was seething. How had his father bypassed him to make Yudhihira prince regent? When Bhma sneered at his distress, making it even more unbearable, he went with Kara and Dushashana to discuss with akuni a way to eradicate the Pavas.
akuni's eyes narrowed as Duryodhana and the others vented their rage. He pressed his fingertips together to think. "The only answer," he said finally, "is to get the Pavas out of Hastinpura to a place where they can be killed without interference. We should somehow contrive to have them burned to death, making it seem like an accident."
Duryodhana smiled, but Kara was not so sure. He did not like akuni's devious ways. "Only cowards resort to deceit and underhanded methods. Powerful men favor open combat. If the Pavas are our enemies, then let us march out to the battlefield and settle this dispute."
Shakuni's lips tightened. Then he smiled slightly. "My child, you are powerful but foolish. It seems you have forgotten Bhima's superhuman strength. And do you not remember the incident at Kmpilya? All of the Kaurava princes, with you by their side, could not overpower Drupada. But with only four fighting, the Pnavas were successful. It is unlikely that we will win in a confrontation with those five brothers. Take heed of my words."
Reminded of Kmpilya, Karan was embarrassed. He let out an angry shout. They had been taken by surprise there. Drupada had been stronger than they expected. The Pndavas had the advantage, confronting Drupada after having witnessed his actual power. Next time, if the Pndavas confronted the Kauravas directly, things would be different. Karan shook his head and left the room. "Do what you will, but I cannot be a party to such cowardice."
MB BY Krishna Dharma das



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