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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Actually, after Shantanu's death, Chitrangada was made king, and he ruled for a short while until he died while killing a Gandharva w/ his own name. Then Vichitravirya was crowned, and Bheeshma abducted AAA for him. After his marriages, he ruled for 7 years b4 dying.

Following his death, Bheeshma ran things for a while until Dhritarashtra & Pandu came of age, and then Pandu was made the king.

I have a new, and different question. If Dhritarashtra was thought incapable of ruling, due to his blindness, then after Pandu's death, while they waited for the Kuru princes to come of age, why didn't Vidura get crowned the king of Hastinapur? Wasn't he too considered a son of Vichitravirya as per the gotra - he was certainly not considered Vyasa's son as per Parashara's lineage.




I have another question...
Since it was already decided that Dhritarashtra was incapble of ruling, then why was he again made king? Bheeshma could have ran things again like he did after Vichitravirya's death. Also in Star Plus's Mahabharat they showed that Vichitravirya died immediately after his marriage and before being crowned king. Which version is true?
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Posted: 11 years ago
I asked the same question a while ago and i got this answer ,that Bheeshma's mother was Ganga and she was a very influential and important person she requested parshurama to take bheeshma as his shishya.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Same here i too want to know what did bheeshma and karna do for their guru.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Different question, to bring this sync this thread a bit more w/ the serial, since it's getting closer to the point where we'll be seeing the start of the story


When Satyavati's father declined to give Satyavati in marriage to Shantanu, why didn't he simply assert his royal authority and forcibly seize Satyavati & marry her? At that time, kings had absolute despotic power, and there were no limitations on what they could do. Indeed, as Bheeshma himself demonstrated several years later, when he seized Amba, Ambika & Ambalika, might was right. It would have been no big deal for the king of Hastinapur to simply seize that maiden who got him so infatuated, and then marry her. If she wanted, he could later have given Chitrangada/Vichitravirya a conquered kingdom.

So why did Shantanu not do it? Please don't make me laugh w/ a 'he respected the wishes of Satyavati's father'. Rulers of that time did nothing of the sort.


For the answer to this question, I have to agree with Star Plus. It is more believable than Satyavati's father making demands from a king. They showed Satyavati insisting that her sons should inherit the throne.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I have a question about the organization of the Mahabharata.

Why is the first chapter - Adi Parva - so huge? It covers everything from prehistoric Mahabharata right up to the destruction of Khandavaprastha. Instead, like the latter chapters are split by the Kaurava commanders, this one could have been split like below:

Adi Parva (for Janamejaya's yagna/Parikshit's death)
Shantanu Parva (birth of Bheeshma, marriage to Satyavati)
Vichitravirya Parva (abduction of AAA, death of Vichitravirya)
Pandu Parva (AA giving birth up to death of Pandu & return of Pandavas & Satyavati & AA retiring to the forest)
Dhritarashtra Parva (until the destruction of Khandavprastha)

That would have been more managable to read & search


I think the reason behind the huge variability in the number of verses in each parva is that material was added to it and interpolations were made in it over time and by different clans/communities since its inception. This would also explain the apparent contradictions in the epic regarding its characters and the actions that they undertake, as the later interpolations may not be consistent with the original.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: varaali


I think Drupada didn't expect Arjuna to win the contest. Like everyone else, he too thought the Pandavas had perished in the Lac- house. Let alone win, he didn't expect them to attend the swayamvara even.

Drupada may have expected Jarashandha's son Sahadeva to win the contest. In that case both Panchala and Magadha would have joined hands to form a formidable alliance against the Kurus. Hastinapur would not have stood a chance against the combined might of Jarasandha and Drupada.

In case Duryodhana had won the contest, Drupda would have used all his powers to separate him from Dronacharya. Drupada would have helped Duryodhana's ascent to the throne and once Duryodhana was established as the king, Drupada would have asked Duryodhana to alienate Dronachrya. It would not have been too difficult- given that Duryodhana was never a Drona- favourite.

What Drupada certainly did not anticipate was Arjuna winning the bride. Having given Draupadi in marriage to Arjuna, there was no way he could use Arjuna- a staunch Drona shishya- against Drona.

Drupada now only had Drishtadyumna to rely on.


I have read that Drupada had designed the challenge at Draupadi's swayamvar in such a way that only Arjun could perform it. And hence he had that task which tested the prospective groom's archery skills. Although why he wanted Draupadi to marry Arjun, given that he wanted the destruction of the Kurus and Drona is not clear to me.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Some accounts I read - Drupada wanted Draupadi to marry Arjun, and after the lakshagriha, on Krishna's suggestion, designed the swayamvara in a way that only Arjun would win. The only other one who could would have been Karna, but Draupadi rejected him, not wanting a pratiloma marriage.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.


No, but Draupadi had a boon that she'd never be widowed. So had the other 4, or any number of them, died b4 her, she'd have been partially widowed. So she died first, and once she did, the others could also then die.

It had nothing to do w/ which sin was greater - the Pandavas then died in reverse chronological order.

This is very interesting indeed! This explanation isnt very widely known . Could you please give a citation for this. It needs to be highlighted , I feel .The commonly known version is that Draupadi sinned the most therefore died first. The two versions are so much contradictory.😲
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: peridot.

This is very interesting indeed! This explanation isnt very widely known . Could you please give a citation for this. It needs to be highlighted , I feel .The commonly known version is that Draupadi sinned the most therefore died first. The two versions are so much contradictory.😲



she got the ashirwadi of akhan sobhagyavati or something to be married always and that is why she died without being a widow ever everyone sinned and did deeds as per dharm all 5 of them but it was yudhisthir who never did any adharm that is why he got to go to swarg with his body in tact ...but why is that it was dharm keep orders of his tauji dhritrashtra and why it was not adharm to stack his brothers and wife ??????😕😕😕😕

Ok I understand when he said ashwathama died he did not lie because ashwathama an elephant died and not Dronacharyaji's son Ashwatham so it was no adharm but how come it was no adharm what he did to his wife and brothers.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I think that the rationale was that since he was superior to them in age (and to Draupadi in terms of being a husband), that sin didn't attach to him.

The order in which they died is known - what's not explicitly stated, but is implicitly understood on reading - is that they died in the reverse order in which they were born - after Draupadi, then Sahadev, Nakul, Arjun & then Bhima.

Although recently, I read some account - maybe here on I-F - that when Bhima fell, he didn't die, but was rescued by a Naga tribe and taken in as one of their own. Although how he could have lived after having lost everything - including his brothers - is a mystery: he didn't have to leave Indraprastha, but voluntarily did, or else, any of the Pandavas could have, like their other wives, stayed back w/ Parikshit had they so wished.

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