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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

Is ved vyasa incarnation of Lord Vishnu? , I can surely Google that ,but in Wikipedia when I search avatars of Lord Vishnu I can't find ved vyasa in there ,instead there is Buddha ,but when I open ved vyasa's page it is written that he was the 6 th incarnation of Lord Vishnu. So confused


According to the Srimad Bhagavtham, there are 22 avataras of Lord Vishnu- the first ones being the four Sanat Kumaras. As per this list, Vyasa is claimed as an avatara of Lord Vishnu.

The 10- avatara that has become popular has been taken from this superset of 22 avataras.

Wikipedia is not always reliable.
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Posted: 11 years ago
ok i have a doubt as per next week's spoiler Drona doesnt allow Karan to accompany kauravas for the war with Drupad.But as far as i remember in the original he does go with Kauravas for this war.Doesnt he?Cany any one clarify
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

ok i have a doubt as per next week's spoiler Drona doesnt allow Karan to accompany kauravas for the war with Drupad.But as far as i remember in the original he does go with Kauravas for this war.Doesnt he?Cany any one clarify



Yes in the closest translation to the original work it clearly says Karna was also a part of the Kaurav army against Drupad, and couldn't stand against Drupad in battle.


"Those bulls among men, smiting the Panchalas on their way, laid siege to the capital of the great Drupada. And Duryodhana and Karna and the mighty Yuyutsu, and Duhsasana and Vikarna and Jalasandha and Sulochana,--these and many other foremost of Kshatriya princes of great prowess, vied with one another in becoming the foremost in the attack. And the princes, riding in first class chariots and following the cavalry, entered the hostile capital, and proceeded along the streets.
Meanwhile Drupada beholding the Kuru host, rushed forward and pouring a fierce shower of arrows around, terribly afflicted the Kuru ranks. And such was his lightness of motion on the field of battle that, though he was fighting unsupported on a single chariot, the Kurus from panic supposed that there were many Drupadas opposed to them.
And the fierce arrows of that monarch fell fast on all sides, till conchs and trumpets and drums by thousands began to be sounded by the Panchalas from their houses (giving the alarm). Then there arose from the mighty Panchala host a roar terrible as that of the lion, while the twang of their bow-strings seemed to rend the very heavens.
Then Duryodhana and Vikarna, Suvahu and Dirghalochana and Duhsasana becoming furious, began to shower their arrows upon the enemy.
But the mighty bowman, Prishata's son, invincible in battle, though very much pierced with the arrows of the enemy, instantly began, O Bharata, to afflict the hostile ranks with greater vigour.
And careering over the field of battle like a fiery wheel, king Drupada with his arrows smote Duryodhana and Vikarna and even the mighty Karna and many other heroic princes and numberless warriors, and slaked their thirst for battle. Then all the citizens showered upon the Kurus various missiles like clouds showering rain-drops upon the earth.
Young and old, they all rushed to battle, assailing the Kurus with vigour. The Kauravas, then, O Bharata, beholding the battle become frightful, broke and fled wailing towards the Pandavas.

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Posted: 11 years ago
Was the Karna mentioned Kunti's Karna or Gandhari's Karna? If one recalls, a few pages ago, when Gandhari's 100 sons were listed, there was a Karna there as well.

Since Kunti's Karna was not accepted as Drona's disciple, how could he have been a part of Duryodhan's attempt to capture Drupada, which was a gurudakshina demanded by Drona.

Originally posted by: Bhavaani

Yes in the closest translation to the original work it clearly says Karna was also a part of the Kaurav army against Drupad, and couldn't stand against Drupad in battle.

"Those bulls among men, smiting the Panchalas on their way, laid siege to the capital of the great Drupada. And Duryodhana and Karna and the mighty Yuyutsu, and Duhsasana and Vikarna and Jalasandha and Sulochana,--these and many other foremost of Kshatriya princes of great prowess, vied with one another in becoming the foremost in the attack. And the princes, riding in first class chariots and following the cavalry, entered the hostile capital, and proceeded along the streets.
Meanwhile Drupada beholding the Kuru host, rushed forward and pouring a fierce shower of arrows around, terribly afflicted the Kuru ranks. And such was his lightness of motion on the field of battle that, though he was fighting unsupported on a single chariot, the Kurus from panic supposed that there were many Drupadas opposed to them.
And the fierce arrows of that monarch fell fast on all sides, till conchs and trumpets and drums by thousands began to be sounded by the Panchalas from their houses (giving the alarm). Then there arose from the mighty Panchala host a roar terrible as that of the lion, while the twang of their bow-strings seemed to rend the very heavens.
Then Duryodhana and Vikarna, Suvahu and Dirghalochana and Duhsasana becoming furious, began to shower their arrows upon the enemy.
But the mighty bowman, Prishata's son, invincible in battle, though very much pierced with the arrows of the enemy, instantly began, O Bharata, to afflict the hostile ranks with greater vigour.
And careering over the field of battle like a fiery wheel, king Drupada with his arrows smote Duryodhana and Vikarna and even the mighty Karna and many other heroic princes and numberless warriors, and slaked their thirst for battle. Then all the citizens showered upon the Kurus various missiles like clouds showering rain-drops upon the earth.
Young and old, they all rushed to battle, assailing the Kurus with vigour. The Kauravas, then, O Bharata, beholding the battle become frightful, broke and fled wailing towards the Pandavas.

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Posted: 11 years ago
I have doubt

What is difference in Ram & Krishna?

I mean Ram is Maryada Purushotam but he did not know that Sita would be kidnapped by Ravan & he fought to Ravan he made Bridge & all his living life is like normal human who don't know what will happen at next moment.Right ?

Then Difference in Krishna is that he himself knew that he is God.He lived life from childhood to end with in him mind that the fact of God is known for him.In war of MB,During Gita Gyan,In childhood stories.

So this must be major difference between 2 lead avtar of Narayan.

In Parshuram avtar he did not aware of himself as God.

But in Vaman,Matsya he knew that fact.
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Posted: 11 years ago
As far as I've read in Levels of Warrior excellence are these:


Maharathi-Bheema,duryodhana,abhimanyu

Ati-maharathi- capable of fighting 24 maharathis simultaneously for example-arjuna,bhishma,drona karna,parshurama

mahamaharathi- Only Shiva,vishnu and their avatars or incarnations have attained this level for example : Lord Rama,Lord krishna,hanuman,brahma,skanda,ganesha,narsimha. etc


If only vishnu's avatars are considered mahamaharathi then why is parshurama isnt one of them, isnt he an incarnation?

Correct me if am wrong.
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Posted: 11 years ago
So is Arjun supposed to be a better warrior than Bheem.Since Arjun is an Ati-Maharathi and Bheem is a Maharathi Also what is criteria to divide warriors in these divisions
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Proud-India

I have doubt

What is difference in Ram & Krishna?

I mean Ram is Maryada Purushotam but he did not know that Sita would be kidnapped by Ravan & he fought to Ravan he made Bridge & all his living life is like normal human who don't know what will happen at next moment.Right ?

Then Difference in Krishna is that he himself knew that he is God.He lived life from childhood to end with in him mind that the fact of God is known for him.In war of MB,During Gita Gyan,In childhood stories.

So this must be major difference between 2 lead avtar of Narayan.

In Parshuram avtar he did not aware of himself as God.

But in Vaman,Matsya he knew that fact.

i think Ram ji knew he was incarnation of God.Remember the Ahilya incident i mean when his feet touched the stone Ahilya became a woman again that would be a very good indication that there was something divine about him.Also there is another incident of a woman with a hump i dont remember the complete incident but Ram ji made her ok as well.So if he could perform these miracles he would have known he is divine.The only differnece is he never spoke like to a third person like he did in Mahabharat.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

So is Arjun supposed to be a better warrior than Bheem.Since Arjun is an Ati-Maharathi and Bheem is a Maharathi Also what is criteria to divide warriors in these divisions



Criteria as far as i have read are:


Atirathi is a warrior who can fight 10,000 warrior simultaneously . Example : ,yuyutsu,drupad.Vikarna.Dushshashana.

Maharathi is warrior who can fight 60,000 warriors simultaneously. Example : bheema,abhimanyu,Ashwastthama,Shalya

Ati maharathi is a warrior who can fight 12 Maharathis simultaneously : Example Bhisma,Arjuna,Karna,Drona,Ravana,Parshurama.

MahaMaharathi is a warrior who can fight 24 Ati-Maharathi's simultaneously,Though nobody has attained this status because there were never 24 Ati-Maharathi at once , Warrior's who can be called a Mahamaharathi are Lord Shiva,Lord Vishnu and their incarnations or avatars , Lord Rama,Lord Krishna,Shakti,Lord Ganesha,Lord Skanda,Narsimha and Lord Hanuman.


Edited by TheWatcher - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
@The Watcher
I think the reason why Parasurama is not considered a Mahamaharathi is that he was an avesha avatara (ie) an avatara born to fulfil a certain purpose, that is to kill the wicked kings on earth. This task fulfilled when he met the righteous prince, Lord Rama. Once that purpose was over, he ceased to be a complete avatara, and was an amshaavatara only. Therefore he is not a Mahamaharathi

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