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Posted: 11 years ago

#1111

It is said that Bheema, Duryodhana, Keechaka, Jarasandha and Bakasura were born in the same cosmic phase. It was also said that one among these five will kill the rest of them too. Bhima was the first to kill Bakasura and eventually slays everyone else.

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Justitia

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1112

Originally posted by: srishtisingh
so as diala asked from where the concept of time being still while geeta narration came?and subhi dozing off while arjun telling chakrvyuh story must have some origin?are these folklores?

Even I would like to know the answer to these questions...

1. As per the KMG translation, Haranaharana Parva makes NO mention of Arjuna explaining about the chakravyuh to Subhadra. Therefore, Subhadra NEVER dozed off in the middle of his explanation because there is NO chakravyuh explanation to begin with.

For reference, the link of the Haranaharana Parva is given below -

http://www.mahabharataonline.com/translation/mahabharata_01224.php

So, how did THIS story originate of Arjuna explaining about the chakravyuh to Subhadra who was pregnant with Abhimanyu, but she fell asleep midway, and THAT is the reason why Abhimanyu knew how to enter the chakravyuh, but did not know how to exit the chakravyuh?

Ved Vyasa apparently makes NO mention of this story in his epic.

2. Did Time really stand still in Kurukshetra during the Gita narration?

If not, then exactly what were the Kaurava & Pandava armies doing while the Gita narration was in progress?

Also, in the event of Time not standing still during Gita narration, were the Kaurava & Pandava warriors even aware of this philosophical conversation in progress between Krishna & Arjuna?

Edited by shani88 - 11 years ago

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1113

1. Arjuna did not teach him..

"Sanjaya said, 'Thus conversing, those two, (viz., Krishna and Arjuna), entered their own camp. And they saw that the Pandavas, all cheerless, were sitting, plunged in great grief. Beholding his brothers and sons, the ape-bannered Arjuna became very cheerless. Not seeing the son of Subhadra there, Arjuna said, 'Pale is the colour I behold of the faces of you all. I do not, again, see Abhimanyu. Nor doth he come to congratulate me. I heard that Drona had today formed the circular array. None amongst you, save the boy Abhimanyu, could break that array. I, however, did not teach him how to come out of that array, after having pierced it. Did you cause the boy to enter that array?

2. I dont think anyone knew what is gng on between Krishna and Arjun as they were busy arranging their armies.. as I said 2 hours of Krishna's upadesh should not disturb or delay the war considering huge the size of the armies..

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Justitia

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1114

@Diala - "Arjuna did not teach him" meaning 'Abhimanyu wasn't "taught" to come out', or Abhimanyu wasn't "taught" about the chakravyuh at all? And if Arjuna did "teach" him about entering the chakravyuh, then exactly when was it? No mention of Arjuna telling "pregnant Subhadra", right?

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1115

no pregnant Subhadra part is not there as far as I know.. from the passage above I understand it was a regular training which was not completely done.. probably it happened after Pandavas returned from exile and before the war.. so probably Arjuna did not have enough time to finish the lessons for Abhimanyu

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Justitia

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1116

Originally posted by: ...Diala...
no pregnant Subhadra part is not there as far as I know.. from the passage above I understand it was a regular training which was not completely done.. probably it happened after Pandavas returned from exile and before the war.. so probably Arjuna did not have enough time to finish the lessons for Abhimanyu

I believe ⭐️Bharat CVs have completely understood THIS part...😆

I certainly CANNOT imagine ⭐️Subhi asking Arjuna about the chakravyuh...yes, she did ask him once in a previous epi, but he rebuffed her!! 😃

In ⭐️Bharat, the ONLY way for Abhimanyu to know about the chakravyuh would be if Arjuna himself tells him, but lesson not completed midway...

Edited by shani88 - 11 years ago

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1117

as they have mentioned this earlier, I think they will show Subhadra with a baby bump listening to Arya Arjuna 😳 and silently Baby Abhimanyu too 😳

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india2050

@india2050

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1118

Originally posted by: ...Diala...
no pregnant Subhadra part is not there as far as I know.. from the passage above I understand it was a regular training which was not completely done.. probably it happened after Pandavas returned from exile and before the war.. so probably Arjuna did not have enough time to finish the lessons for Abhimanyu

Agree with you on this. A related doubt that I am having is that both Krishna and Pradyumna knew how to enter and exit the chakravyuh, couldnt they have taught Abhimanyu while he was in Dwarka?

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Justitia

@Justitia

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1119

Originally posted by: india2050

Agree with you on this. A related doubt that I am having is that both Krishna and Pradyumna knew how to enter and exit the chakravyuh, couldnt they have taught Abhimanyu while he was in Dwarka?

Maybe Krishna did not want to alter "destiny", and he must've even instructed Pradyumna to not tell anything about the chakravyuh to Abhimanyu...

If nothing is given in the epic about this, then this can be the only possible answer.

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1120

Originally posted by: india2050
Agree with you on this. A related doubt that I am having is that both Krishna and Pradyumna knew how to enter and exit the chakravyuh, couldnt they have taught Abhimanyu while he was in Dwarka?

That's what I was wondering as well. As it is, Krishna & Pradhyumna were Abhimanyu's 'gurus' when it came to warfare. That's why in the first 12 days, he was one of the major warriors on the Pandava side, after Bhima, Arjun and Satyaki.

So why would Krishna & Pradhyumna not have taught him that? That's where the other stories, like Abhimanyu being a Soma avatar promised back to Chandra, or Abhimanyu being a rakshasha come up

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