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Originally posted by: ...Diala...

This is the part of Pandava history narrated to Janamejaya by Vaisampayana.. Can anyone clarify why Ulupi-Iravan and Chitrangada-Babruvahana are missing here? it cant be for the conditions of their marriages, Hidimbi-Gatotkacha being mentioned.. is this a miss or does this imply something else?

After that the Pandavas slew Hidimva, and then they went to a town called Ekachakra. There also they slew a Rakshasa of the name of Vaka and then went to Panchala. And there obtaining Draupadi for a wife they returned to Hastinapura. And there they dwelt for some time in peace and begat children. And Yudhishthira begat Prativindhya; Bhima, Sutasoma; Arjuna, Srutakriti; Nakula, Satanika; and Sahadeva, Srutakarman. Besides these, Yudhishthira, having obtained for his wife Devika, the daughter of Govasana of the Saivya tribe, in a self-choice ceremony, begat upon her a son named Yaudheya. And Bhima also obtaining for a wife Valandhara, the daughter of the king of Kasi, offered his own prowess as dower and begat upon her a son named Sarvaga. And Arjuna also, repairing to Dwaravati, brought away by force Subhadra. the sweet-speeched sister of Vasudeva, and returned in happiness to Hastinapura. And he begat upon her a son named Abhimanyu endued with all accomplishments and dear to Vasudeva himself. And Nakula obtaining for his wife Karenumati, the princess of Chedi, begat upon her a son named Niramitra. And Sahadeva also married Vijaya, the daughter of Dyutimat, the king of Madra, obtaining her in a self-choice ceremony and begat upon her a son named Suhotra. And Bhimasena had some time before begat upon Hidimva a son named Ghatotkacha. These are the eleven sons of the Pandavas.

Originally posted by: shani88

Oversight from KMG...I presume...

I mean, the KMG translation otherwise gives details of Arjuna's exile and his involvement with Ulupi and Chitrangada, right?

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

In Udyog Parva, after Bheeshma narrated to Duryodhan the story of Shikhandi, Duryodhan agreed that it was proper of Bheeshma not to fight him.

In which case, why did anybody on the Kaurava side fight Shikhandi? It's not like it was okay for any man except Bheeshma to fight a woman

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

Bheeshma told Duryodhan abt Sikhandi and Duryodhan to Dushasan just before the war begins.. so probably Dury Dushi and anyone who surrounded Dushi would know.. others might not..

My Questions:

1) Is Arjuna narrating Chakravyuha to Subhadra while she sleeps off from the epic or a folklore? can I have the section if the former?

2) Did time stop when the Gita was sung or was that an interpolation? I read that the war began after Krishna completed comforting Arjuna.

3) How did Satyaki end up fighting for the Pandavas? Isn't he a part of Narayani Sena which fought for Kauravas?

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

Thanks Shani..

1) Me too tired of searching preggy Subhi sleeping off.. so posted here.. yeah agreed Drau sons were mentioned after Abhimanyu.. but that does not evidence he was the first born.. I think as the story itself is about Subhadraharan so Abhimanyu was mentioned first..

2) is it mentioned in the epic? I dint find that.. also read a note in a book that the war began after Gita.. what I read exactly is Arjuna's chariot was in between the Pandava and Kaurava armies.. Gita was recited when the armies were arranging themselves..

3) Dint Krishna say either unarmed me or Yadav Sena?