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Posted: 11 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: likarsh

Oh, I read your first line again, Shweta. Tell me, whenever did Madhu fight back? Even get a chance to either leave him, move away from him or give it back? Other than her attempting to do so for a handful of episodes at best. Most of these serials never even show the women giving it deservedly back to the jackasses for the abuse.



Right after the unwedding when she put away her mangalsutra and started working at the sets. Although he did insult her, she stood there in his face and didn't break down. She made him feel bad after a while for what he did and made him realize her worth but he just didn't want to admit it and say it (but he says it unconsciously during the drunk scene). But I agree that track could have developed better.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: likarsh

Oh, I read your first line again, Shweta. Tell me, whenever did Madhu fight back? Even get a chance to either leave him, move away from him or give it back? Other than her attempting to do so for a handful of episodes at best. Most of these serials never even show the women giving it deservedly back to the jackasses for the abuse.



Liks do you remember when the RK Madhu marriage track was happening and Padmini asked Sultan to steal her away? All I can remember from that track is Madhu's attitude, and RK's tantrums. His antics were textbook! how do you just brush that crap away?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shewta, trust me..I have seen literal kitchen politics in serials. Literally true to the phrase. Episodes focused on women plotting, conspiring and gossiping about the hierarchy of the kitchen...etc😆 So I have a more narrow definition. 😆

Also, my post was geared more to those who just focus on abuse unwedding onwards. Not necessarily you, since as you said you never really talked about that.
Edited by likarsh - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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By Kitchen politics, I meant like vamps plotting against the heroines. Kinda like deepali and madhu. But I liked deepali. Seema Mishra is an amazing actress.

I am a RK fan. I still liked RK during the whole revenge track but that doesn't mean that I supported his actions. But I still wanted to see rishbala together. Why? Simply because tv is a way I can escape from stress and it was the only show I liked with actors I liked. When RK was "unwedding" madhu I was screaming and yelling at RK (my tv screen). So just because I liked RK, didn't necessarily mean that I supported his actions. Now when I think back, I wrote a lot of stuff that made it seem like I supported RK's actions but that might have been the desire to see my favorite onscreen couple back together and peer pressure of what other fans thought.
I agree that TV affects people and how they think. Negative content has negative influence in people's behavior. But I'm not one of those people. I can differentiate between right and wrong and watch shows just cuz I'm bored. Although I won't lie, I stopped watching meiej after a while because I had become so obsessed with this show and IF that I wasn't paying attention to priorities.

Lol that happens to me too. Sometimes though, the stuff they show is so crazy that you just need to discuss and keep in tune.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: likarsh

Shewta, trust me..I have seen literal kitchen politics in serials. Literally true to the phrase. Episodes focused on women plotting, conspiring and gossiping about the hierarchy of the kitchen...etc😆 So I have a more narrow definition. 😆


Also, my post was geared more to those who just focus on abuse unwedding onwards. Not necessarily you, since as you said you never really talked about that.



Oh I thought you were confused by what I meant by kitchen politics.

Hmm...I might have misread your post. Well I was just talking about how just because I like RK didn't mean that I supported his actions.

It was nice talking to you! 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree with you Charishma. The big reason why shows that have started in fairly recent times fail to last longer than a year or two. Even highly popular shows. In particular with this show, there was a lot of promise int he beginning, BUT the minute the four phere wedding happened, it was back to being just another soap that claims of being different but really isn't any different from others. The initial competition or the hatred between RK and Madhubala could have been very well portrayed but it wasn't. In the pressure of playing for the numbers right away the original plot was lost. But at the same time I agree that trp numbers is what its all about, but another thing to take into account is that people become habitual to things on tv. Now if they had stuck to the original plot, I am sure people would have warmed upto it, because regular soap aunties know nothing of the bollywood lifestyle or what happens behind the scenes. That would have kept their attention. And another thing is there is no consistency in characters. Whether it is RK maintaining the bad boy image, or Madhu maintaing the strong woman image. I think the failure lies more in Madhu's characterization because the initial rebelling Madhu showed only lasted a few episodes, she just became the doormat, which did frustrate the trp aunties which was the cause of trp falling. If you look at other shows, the reason some last longer than others is because of the consistency in the characters, it revolves around one family, or several issues but it is dealt with the same way each time, they are family dramas, they show exactly what the audience expects, and the audience keeps their attention to it, because of its consistency. Now I also think the bad boy image is overdone on TV. In each TV show the female lead character was given the chance to fight and prove herself, but Madhu was just submissive the whole time, she wasn't showed as strongly as she claimed to be. Another reason being the lead actors are never willing to play a father or a mother, which is difficult because what do you show after the marriage? how many triangles or evil stepbrothers or stepsisters can you show? The audience which are the aunties expect this to happen, like why are there no children? Or saying how long will they keep showing the same thing, where is progression in marriage. That is why most shows that end a few months into marriage can maintain their trps, which is also why movies end right when the hero and heroine are married. The problem is few months into the marriage there is nothing else to show, its just beating around the bush until the trp's fall, unless the show takes up social issues or something the female lead generally does. With that being said this show is just making a full circle by coming back to exactly where it started. AS hopes to repeat the "magic" or recreate the initial curiosity people had. While the younger audience as you said only cares about the actors, and are tech savy and into the personal aspect of the actors, the regular aunties don't really care about that, which is why replacements in highly rated tv shows work just fine after a while. The aunties care about the content, what is being shown than who is it acting in the show generally. Now I think AS does not understand it, but ST on the other hand knew that this route was overused which is why his initial development for the show post leap was noticeably different. He knew that going back in a circle will not work for the show in the LONG RUN. It might work for the next few months, but after the completion of that track, you are right back to the beginning. ST is highly connected with the general audience of the show, and thus has the capability to judge what should happen next, his confidence is not seen in AS, and I don't think AS is capable of running a successful show past a limited time. He is too concentrated on the what do online fans want versus what would the trp aunties want, in the sense of content versus just concentrating on the actors. Well here is my rant. Phew. Gosh this was crazy. 😆 But I think that is one reason why the western shows last for several seasons because they are more focused on individual development, from what I have seen. The plot is usually fast developing and the ended, and picked up later with a different story. Anyhow here it is my opinion. And please excuse my grammar and spelling mistakes since it seems to be a HUGE deal here😆. I kind of am in a hurry. Gotta hit the homework load.
Edited by Vsoujanya - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Charishma



@bold: exactly. that is where they could have saved the show. but it just went to hell man.
@bold: She really wasn't. I don't know if its only gender specific. She has to be a doormat so they can further the "romance" with superstar RK who will never give an inch. RK was pretty disgusting in the beginning, but in order to further the romance they thought everyone wanted they made him an irredeemable uck. there were a series of character decisions made for RK and Madhu in hopes to keep the romance alive, but by the end most people don't give a crap because RK became the two of them became unbearable.


Charishma, when I mean root of Rishbala, I mean the four phera wedding. I think yes they have been consistent, because as I said, if you want Madhu with RK after that, then it's bound to be an abuser-doormat relationship. The initial Rishbala wedding was probably the most humiliating and demeaning wedding out of all such serial weddings. Once you show something like that, sorry, I don't believe that should be converted to some healthy love story. So yeah, whatever the ass they made RK fits with the man who demeaned publicly as he did. And whatever doormat Madhu continued to be fits perfectly with the woman who could only forgive her father after RK told her to.

:shrugs: this is why I stay away from these serials and stories
They are based on romanticization of abuse and humiliation of women.

And no you don't need to have it to make a good story. You can make hate love stories, but you don't need to make the female the victim. However, as I said, that means portraying women as three dimensional characters who are not the "perfect" daughter, wife, bahu.

But the point both you and Vsoujanya make above are valid. In that they should have developed the story instead of going straight for the wedding and romance. For me that humiliation is not justifiable and acceptable. It skipped past developing a heroine and turned her into a victim.
Edited by likarsh - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Yo Charishma IDK why spelling is so serious here did not know that was huge requirement to make posts,especially when you see others make posts in hindi as well. we here in America spell Color, instead of Colour in India just saying it as a potential example. but anyhow Charishma you know what they say, "ALL HAIL THE GRAMMAR AND SPELLING POLICE! "🤣
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Posted: 11 years ago
#29

Originally posted by: likarsh


Right, the whole industry promotes regressive thinking. And the audience instead of being disgusted laps it up. Isn't that the problem? These people can't be bothered to show anything progressive, because that would mean making the women progressive thinking women.

I do think Youth channel shows may be different.

As for your question, I am very much behind but I think a particular new Colors show would go into this category...though I am still stuck in early Feb. I usually watch that show in binges. However, it has saas bahu instead, which is another regressive BS. Women doing disgusting acts and plotting and never really paying for it, since they are family. (That being said, I still don't think that show has turned into a kitchen drama, but I may be wrong.)



@bold: That's the thing though. I have this chicken and egg debate all the time with my mom.

I'm not saying don't have women characters face hardship, just write that shit properly. Its so socially irresponsible it makes my head spin. Sometime i think if audience was given better storytelling and actual characterizations (instead of cliches and stereotypes) for both male and female characters, then regression wouldn't be a problem. But then I'm reminded of shows like PV which made my head spin for different reasons.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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^ ^Charishma, Doordarshan serials are (or were) way more progressive than the regressive crap now. Forget that, even with GEC about 15 years ago, there was more progression and "risque" topics. How can you regress so much? I don't get it
(Well, I think I kind of do. Ekta who is responsible for dailies and that too without a finite timeline, and TAM).
Edited by likarsh - 11 years ago

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