My HypocrISY lol - Page 4

You know what is more progressive than this stuff on tv now, Ramayan and Mahabharat that was shown on tv way before I was born! They were showing real women fighting against all odds! That is why people still remember the shows today! Just thought of that randomly! That is why I can watch it over and over again.

Originally posted by: likarsh

Charishma, when I mean root of Rishbala, I mean the four phera wedding. I think yes they have been consistent, because as I said, if you want Madhu with RK after that, then it's bound to be an abuser-doormat relationship. The initial Rishbala wedding was probably the most humiliating and demeaning wedding out of all such serial weddings. Once you show something like that, sorry, I don't believe that should be converted to some healthy love story. So yeah, whatever the ass they made RK fits with the man who demeaned publicly as he did. And whatever doormat Madhu continued to be fits perfectly with the woman who could only forgive her father after RK told her to.

:shrugs: this is why I stay away from these serials and stories

They are based on romanticization of abuse and humiliation of women.

And no you don't need to have it to make a good story. You can make hate love stories, but you don't need to make the female the victim. However, as I said, that means portraying women as three dimensional characters who are not the "perfect" daughter, wife, bahu.

But the point both you and Vsoujanya make above are valid. In that they should have developed the story instead of going straight for the wedding and romance. For me that humiliation is not justifiable and acceptable. It skipped past developing a heroine and turned her into a victim.

Yeah, what I meant was the show could've been saved when Madhu moved out of mansion and Sultan showed up. Forget Sulbala. Madhu actually getting some air and distance forced the cvs to write her differently. No oppression. They were building to what I thought was showing the marriage for what it was. I was 100% convinced they were purposefully portraying an abusive relationship. It would have been consistent and in the right. And then it was like 😲.

When I said that they could've showed an RK Madhu romance with substance, I meant wayy back, pre forced marriage. When Mukund and his family were part of the show and madhu actually did something other than cry. I don't think RK was irredeemable from the first. Pretty close to it, but there was a couple months there where I wondered.

Originally posted by: shweta2728

Right after the unwedding when she put away her mangalsutra and started working at the sets. Although he did insult her, she stood there in his face and didn't break down. She made him feel bad after a while for what he did and made him realize her worth but he just didn't want to admit it and say it (but he says it unconsciously during the drunk scene). But I agree that track could have developed better.

See, I thought that too. But it's still so disappointing. its such a martyred type of strength. is that the only type of strength women can be seen to have? I'm not saying this to you, but just in general.

Blackmailed marriages are a staple of indian tv now, But the way they did it here was beyond horrible. In a particular Sanaya Irani show there was a reason behind it: his love and his hurt. And moreover, she actually loved the man back. here it just seemed like Madhu just straight up likes bad men and want to be abused.

Originally posted by: likarsh

^ ^Charishma, Doordarshan serials are (or were) way more progressive than the regressive crap now. Forget that, even with GEC about 15 years ago, there was more progression and "risque" topics. How can you regress so much? I don't get it

(Well, I think I kind of do. Estate who is responsible for dailies and that too without a finite timeline, and TAM).

I remember you telling me about Doordarshan before. It's really hard to find older shows online, maybe I'll try a video store. I'm desperate for good indian tv man. Its like a rarity.

@bold: yes, yes yes. Why do these shows air indefinitely? Korean dramas know where its at. Have a set story, tell it, and move on.
I recently watched a show about a woman who kind of sort of broke of with her fiance, went away, had a fling,and came back. her and her dude got married anyway, then commenced dealing with her in-laws not wanting her to work. And guess what? She decided, screw you, I'm working.
why the hell are we so regressive with our shows? there's not even a discussion about work post-marriage.And for a woman to exhibit any form of a libido, even with her husband, forget it.

Ekta is totally responsible. She's viewed as this great businesswoman. But man, at what price? She has included actual rape scenes between husband and wife.

Originally posted by: Charishma

I remember you telling me about Doordarshan before. It's really hard to find older shows online, maybe I'll try a video store. I'm desperate for good indian tv man. Its like a rarity.

@bold: yes, yes yes. Why do these shows air indefinitely? Korean dramas know where its at. Have a set story, tell it, and move on.
I recently watched a show about a woman who kind of sort of broke of with her fiance, went away, had a fling,and came back. her and her dude got married anyway, then commenced dealing with her in-laws not wanting her to work. And guess what? She decided, screw you, I'm working.
why the hell are we so regressive with our shows? there's not even a discussion about work post-marriage.And for a woman to exhibit any form of a libido, even with her husband, forget it.

Ekta is totally responsible. She's viewed as this great businesswoman. But man, at what price? She has included actual rape scenes between husband and wife.

both you guys are right
dooradarshan shows like uddan and buniyad showed woman with dignity
They showed real struggle
and they were hits

The story of absuer victom love story is not new to indian telly
Thanks to ekta she begin the ttreand by kutumb which aired with no big stars but become an overnight sensation
i still fail to understand why most popular jodies have absuse start
forced marriages and balckmails work in best

and best part is we love the leads to fight hate and to rape
dont take me other wise it is true.
nowadays my mom says she quit tv becoz all shows has same story
nowadays i found solace in star word
at lesat west shows woman enpowerment in real way

i love castle becoz the heronie is most powerful charscter than hero

So what do you think , makers wanted to show sultan and abhay as heroes .. Lol

Format of tv serials has changed , makers just have a concept not a complete story ...why because they have to make sure people watch their story to exist on tv. If originL concept does not work they go for changes... There were no takers for girls journey to stardom hence it became superstar rk story ..

No takers again for abhay story , hence VD is back.


Trp is the decision maker which comes from audience .. Hence makers always listen to trp

your answer lies in your question..the makers have succeeded to sustain the interest of even those who hate it, who find thousand faults in the story telling... these people cared to keep track of it for two years , and still lamenting over a twist and analyzing the would be and could be scenarios...if not watching , then may be, reading the updates? but even that happens when someone HAS some kind of a connect or interest alive...afterall to bash it, one must know what is happening in the serial...good or bad, crib about it or praise it, but they managed to keep the audience glued and THAT is their victory !

Originally posted by: _charu_

your answer lies in your question..the makers have succeeded to sustain the interest of even those who hate it, who find thousand faults in the story telling... these people cared to keep track of it for two years , and still lamenting over a twist and analyzing the would be and could be scenarios...if not watching , then may be, reading the updates? but even that happens when someone HAS some kind of a connect or interest alive...afterall to bash it, one must know what is happening in the serial...good or bad, crib about it or praise it, but they managed to keep the audience glued and THAT is their victory !

the rest i don't need to comment bec. everybodys view points are different...i guess everyone claims that they are the majority audience which is not true...

everybody thinks different
but what runs most and what loved most is different
sas bahu serials runs most even though most people say they hate it
and it has good trp too
and love stories always wrap in two or three years becoz they run out tracks or hate
people come here to comment not becoz they haye it or love it
it becoz intereat
the show they loved most still able to enchant them again
tht happwned when vd come back

Originally posted by: _charu_

your answer lies in your question..the makers have succeeded to sustain the interest of even those who hate it, who find thousand faults in the story telling... these people cared to keep track of it for two years , and still lamenting over a twist and analyzing the would be and could be scenarios...if not watching , then may be, reading the updates? but even that happens when someone HAS some kind of a connect or interest alive...afterall to bash it, one must know what is happening in the serial...good or bad, crib about it or praise it, but they managed to keep the audience glued and THAT is their victory !

the rest i don't need to comment bec. everybodys view points are different...i guess everyone claims that they are the majority audience which is not true...

I understand what you're saying. Except I am invested in the show, and I do think the writers are quite talented. I'm not denying any of that. The reason why I'm so upset is because AS's decision to flip AK's characterization and bring VD back is regression.

I am an actual viewer, hence being active on IF. I'm not one for spoilers. But yeah, no way do I think that I'm part of majority audience lol. I usually go for the underdog plot/pairings so I get that might be in the minority. The size of the audience and trp and all that is beyond me. I don't really care. I watch for the story.

What I'm saying is the constant u-turn is a turn off. As far as keeping me glued, then that happened once: Sultan. It lead me to create dozens of rage posts 😆 I was on guard this time.

Originally posted by: armummy

So what do you think , makers wanted to show sultan and abhay as heroes .. Lol

Format of tv serials has changed , makers just have a concept not a complete story ...why because they have to make sure people watch their story to exist on tv. If originL concept does not work they go for changes... There were no takers for girls journey to stardom hence it became superstar rk story ..

No takers again for abhay story , hence VD is back.


Trp is the decision maker which comes from audience .. Hence makers always listen to trp

@first bold: Yes to both. And well, GU was cast as the male lead.
@second bold: Yes, I get that. But my question is, what makes show-makers think that an actor is the sole result of their trps going up or down? There are dozens of other factors that contribute. If you go by that logic shouldn't RK Madhu tracks have gotten highest trps all the way through? Even if a lead is capable of doing that, what is DD, chopped liver?

Rating systems are by their nature approximations and estimates. They can be a little arbitrary. Originally these numbers were solely for the network (to find out which times are prime and how to divvy up commercials). There is an actual formula at work.


It's when show runners try to actively increase these numbers that they screw up. There is no magical formula you can plug into another formula (i.e.: TRP machine) to get X result.
Audiences are fickel, and trps aren't a definite reflection of what works and what doesn't. That's why at the end of the day, all you can do is tell a good story. That is all I'm saying.