Episode 451 Discussion: 13th December 2013 - Page 4

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Posted: 11 years ago
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With a story and a pairing of popularity enough even at its most adverse to ensure majority-audience interest to never really desert it totally and to check out the start of the next track despite so many consecutively disappointing tracks, one wonders if the CVs have some aversion to showing a track of the couple triumphal together and fighting external odds.
This has become in the last nine months a rather unique couple which invariably inadvertently strive to the detriment of their own wellbeing and/or conjugal bond, simply to ensure clunky forcefeeding of tracks that end up wrapping anyway after having damaged the couple selling-point a little worse.
One can resent the outrageously clunky deteriorating situation being portrayed in the story for the past weeks and counting, since it's consistently sure to backfire in expected mass-audience reaction in every dratted track and month.
Not even a second-tier star would be asked to act as photographer for a colleague's pics with fans, nor can any wife be understood for being utterly clueless and simply refusing to be photographed in the context. Madhu is not consistently acquiescently gracious, rather - at least in the past several months - uncharacteristically only where she should not be.
Neither Madhu nor RK have ever been as clueless about each other's failings and vulnerabilities as they have been portrayed for convenience of clunky successive tracks for so many months.
So there is the husband whose wife privately assures him but publicly shows constant signs of loving the attention (assuredly understandable if they simply have her acknowledge it outright rather than keep her on the fence in the hope that majority-audience will support the heroine career at some point), the wife who knows the husband's ego but is always - uncharacteristically in track after track - more understanding and supportive of other people's feelings until the husband finally explodes (at which point majority-audience supports him and not her), and circumstances that are so clunkily manufactured that they are not empathizable to get conservative majority-audience support in the direction intended by the CVs.
Going by the record of story-action and mass-audience's support-reaction, one may presume that if they decide to keep having the 'wife more popular' theme slammed to such clunkily ludicrous extent into the audience's face, with her consistently being scapegoated with speaking up only to his detriment or ineffective to his wellbeing, the disapproval or lack of understanding for the husband is going to be eroded exponentially in the conservative majority-audience, ensuring condoning for whatever actions and reactions of his might actually be intended to inspire majority-audience sympathy for the wife.
This is an audience that has been unamenable to every track for nine months now, and ensured track-closing not by protesting or complaining but by simply not watching when a track's developments are not to their taste. It is enough crores of people that their watching or not watching can keep or end a track. Their tastes are rather contrary to niche segments, and the CVs might be advised to at least now stop in their negativity stratagems at the outset rather than having to halt only after weeks of mass-audience reaction consistently being not what the CVs or the track can continue forward with.
After nine consecutive months of failed tracks, the CVs can't financially manage any separation with its incumbent extra expense of multiple sets and more supporting characters and extras for an angle that won't get them majority-audience interest.
If there is separation, it cannot involve RK and Madhu each standing in one indoor bedroom or living-room set and having alternating self-conversation scenes for the entire episodes.
Other actors are needed, as are multiple sets and at least one outdoor set depending on Madhu's post-separation residence.
The chawl is inadvisable because it would compulsively require at least a sparse sprinkling of extras any time she is not within the house.
Also, a rather major concern is what Madhu is to be shown doing beyond separation.
There was apparently no budget backing for any scenes that would not be of interest to majority-audience, which ensured that there was no scene actually showing her solo filming unless both of the couple were on the set with the greater scene focus on RK's reactions or heroism.
So any stardom furtherance beyond separation would presumably have to be in similar hearsay - is doing a film, has done a film, did a film.
The 'heroine' focus was whittled down beyond the CVs/channel's initial grand creative plans, indicating that they were willing to fly somewhat generously at sponsors expense but not take a loss themselves in expense for scenes and characters that would not be a draw for enough crores of majority-audience to make the scenes, track and used screentime hopeful of being commensurate with budget.
Outdoor scenes were backed for Pabho-Madhu nivaaran scenes. But while those scenes failed to get majority-audience who could then alongside carry the heroine track through, Pabho's major solo scenes with Madhu were scrapped and she was kept on as a screentime filler, whereas the 'amputee choreo' left with her promised role not turning out. Again, a decision on which of the two characters majority-audience would have more interest - or at least be less averse - to seeing associated scenes of.
A consistent point in every serial on every channel for over a decade is that majority-audience never sympathizes with heroine or model career for the female lead, even if she's doing it because there's literally a knife to the throat of each of all of her loved ones.
The great majbooris and suffering here are safely predictable as not even remotely sufficient to interest enough crores of mass-audience to get budgeting for track.
So the wife here will get no mass-sympathy for post-separation since any evidence of her stardom and popularity unexpectedly (shoddy writing by CVs left it expected and predictable weeks in advance to ensure majority-audience aversion) exceeding her husband's is a constant reminder that her husband's money and her own insistences ensured a film that did not fulfil the purpose for which it was intended, with both his wife and manager uncharacteristically shown conveniently not remembering the actual purpose for the film having been backfiringly disproven.
Dialogues specifically extolling a character or the character's good points or suffering are generally a failure in trying to steer mass-audience support, as proven in nine consecutive months. They do not support or sympathize according to CVs convenience of which character mass-support is needed for to ensure a track-continuance.
And while majority-audience has generally no qualms about female leads suffering and/or disrespected for months, that however unfairly does not hold true for male leads, even less so depending on the male lead's popularity. The manner of disrespect has to be modified with breaks in between, and other sundry such ploys to not chafe the largest and most sought segment of audience who have no problems with a woman either suffering or giving speeches, but expect her to not actually be participant or cordial spectator to her husband being disrespected.
Majority-audience's most effective weapon is simply not watching - for the next few days or the next few weeks. Either option is enough to ensure the track is modified weekly, and if that does not suffice to regain lapsed mass-viewership, then the track is scuttled.
The CVs repeatedly try stratagems that are guaranteed weeks in advance as sure of gaining no sympathetic increase in mass-viewership willing to watch the tracks in adequate numbers to permit those tracks to continue.
In the process, they show situations that uncharacteristic at the very base becoming exponentially worse, in the hope that it will get them support and budgeting for the next point.
When that doesn't happen, the track ends up having to do somersaults through the week so that it can be altered or wrapped the next week.
While they trundled ahead at speed like a juggernaut and kept ratcheting up the ludicrous majbooris to the point where RK would no longer be 'filming', they were brought up short at the point where any solo-heroine-filming scenes would have to budgeted by either the PH or the channel without backing from sponsors from a track that has over a decade of assurance of inadequate interest from majority-audience.
Again, for the convenient miscarriage ploy for separation, the husband who dreamt of having kids with his beloved wife became suddenly insistent on abortion, then changed his mind discomfitingly, then blamed the wife for killing the child when she had miscarriage, then almost slapped her.
All of those appalling stratagems gained them not even a day of separation, with Madhu having insisted on risking her unborn child in the fire-stunt rather than prioritizing its wellbeing over the film. (Yes, one may argue that her fire-stunt gave RK impetus to recover from paralysis. But by that parameter, everything RK has endured throughout this track has had only the CVs singular transparent aim of Madhu becoming heroine and gaining professional ascendancy over him at his expense.)
And the very extent of the idiotic majbooris having demonstrated the extent the story conveniently has RK suffer for his wife to thereby conveniently gain career, Madhu heading away from her husband immediately raises the spectre of her pursuing that gained career.
Not even after the unwedding was it affordable to keep this extremely popular couple - which sells the very series - apart for more than a few episodes.
So the need to have them in the same frame is even more so now, after months of viewership almost halved by tracks engineered contrary to mass-audience tastes.
But now, with the 'wife overshadowing husband' theme making their working together even more of an averse draw for majority-audience than the entire 'film' track just gotten through, their being seen in the same frame via shared work context is an option even less assuring of massive viewership than the prior 'filming' which even at its best did not gain even close to the required viewership for the track to continue.
So their working together is not an option for adequate shared screentime to sell the episodes and series.
Which leaves the option of their residentially cohabiting, which keeps the sets to minimum requirement and also the option of scenes not actually mentioning the 'wife overshadowing husband' point with the hope that the scenes might thereby motivate viewership for at least the angles that are not years of consistent disinterest to mass-audience.
A separation would be doable if it were to be minus any mention of Madhu as heroine, but rather as wife either pining or fighting for her conjugal relationship.
But 'suffering as wife, followed by separation, followed by heroine-continuance' is as transparently ineffective a gambit as the majbooris which led to the career-benefit of someone other than the majboor person.
Such a track can assuredly be tried if the CVs are willing to risk their own money on it.
Sponsors have been part of the channels workings from the get-go, even more so perhaps after globalization. That is a lot of years to have a reasonable comprehension of every channel's viewership-reach, and every track's expected crores of viewership being enough or not enough crores of people.
So if sponsors feel that a track has even the possibility of getting enough crores of viewership, they will reasonably generously back the track at least long enough to see if the possibility pans out.
On the other hand, if they decide not to back a track beyond minimum or at all from the very outset, that is an assurance to the CVs/channel that such a track is unlikely to recoup its screentime's financial value, and if they decide to stake their own money on it without sponsors backing, they are somewhat sure to choke on the financial demerit.
It is finally always the CVs/channel's call whether they are willing to bear the financial brunt for their own ideas, if sponsors are not willing to endure the loss for their creative splurging.
Edited by leelaa9 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#32
why are we arguing? Both rm are at fault, they have been at fault at different points in varying degrees and this is just the outcome of their past actions...
the only diff. Is tht madhu maintained an ambiguous stand while rk clearly spelt out his insecurities , yet madhu failed him..rk misunderstands madhu and madhu doesnt understand rk..
sulbala cannot be compared to Ria rk ..the only point where madhu faltered was sultan was a criminal and association with a don was wrong by all standards..if he was a normal guy, I think by now they wud be married only bec everyone prefered madhu to not go back to rk if we remember...rk Ria friendship is acceptable as long as he knows where to draw the line.
if he doesnt then he will be repeating the mistake which madhu did..he will fall in the same dumb category..
Edited by _charu_ - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: thiko


When Madhu met Sultan and had a friendship with him, she was ditched and unweded by RK. Her marital and social status was in disastrous. But, now RK is husband of Madhu and he is avoiding her and ill treating her and he is not at all giving attention to her sufferings given by other family members of him. He is not at all showing any concern. But randomly going and taking care of some random girl that also in a suspicious way.


Friendship is friendship, at that time Madhu needed a friend , now rk needs a friend . Actually friendship had note even started , helping a drunk girl is not anything wrong nor is suspicious.

As per dealing with family members he already dealt with them in front of madhu and told them off but he cannot help if Madhu goes behind his back and tries to appease them even after rk asking her not to do anything . She even told rk to have faith in her so that she can deal with them in her own way, if she hides things of her suffering from him, how will he be able to help.

As for him ignoring her, yes he is very wrong but in his mind he feels wronged by Madhu hence ill treating her.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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aur chodo, after going through so much, if she still has to appease Radha, pabo n wish for parivar ki khushi, sukh shanti, vishwas, then why cry when they blame her or ignore her? First she plays a doormat, then justify it , acc to convinience, show discontentment and again wish for the same people's happiness who r torturing her n justify tht also..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: cardio21

On another note, I think the separation might happen by the end of next week.. Looks like it.. I can already see a heartbroken madhu leaving the RK mansion looking around the house with tearful eyes, the bitches smirking.. RK hitting the bar in a good riddance mode drinking out with Ria who might reveal that she loves RK...

Bittuji might follow madhu to be her PA planning for early retirement...😆


I would die to see that 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Opti,

If you think that Madhu's decision to do the fire scene was what cured RK then I can't argue with such a a logic. Because I see that decision as Madhu's egoistic action insulting her husband in front of MC by overriding his wishes and putting a month old unborn baby into risk by doing a dangerous stunt. RK jumped into the fire in a paralytic state to save her and it is Madhu's good luck (and not her goodness) that he ended up cured.

As for the rest of your post you can read my thoughts on Madhu's idiocies and insensitivity here https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3844954/junoon-is-temporary-mutual-understanding-is-eternal
Edited by ClosetRomantic - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Opti, Here is a comment by Poluk on my thread which says it all -

Originally posted by: Poluk

Just wanted to state a few facts- facts which anyone who has actually been married, understands the complexities of a man woman relationship and has grown old enough not to see life through rose tinted glasses of romanticism/idealism would agree.

And I am not talking about second hand filtered and modified intelligence gathered through novels, fathers, uncles, bhaiyas and 'jijus'.

First Men are different from women. Their thought process is different and their way of reacting to life's situations is different.

No amount of feminist movements can change the fact and in case one wants to save the marriage and not change spouses on a daily/ yearly basis - adjust accordingly.

1. A man does behave like a jerk when his professional success is at stake. For him it is much different than for a woman. His substratum or in fact entire existence revolves around it. At such times they need as much understanding, patience and support as a small child does.

2. When his livelihood and entire respectability is at stake, expecting him to respect Karwachauths and humour his wife's small desires - will not happen.

3. Men are usually impervious to the house hold politics. They will not understand what is happening unless the wife makes a point of informing them categorically and demand an action.

They will react when their wife is insulted in front of them but will forget or not care if it doesnt happen exactly before them.

Pabho for us is a bitch , for RK she is a mother. If your mother does some wrong would it be that easy for you to kick her out? You will scold her at that time and then assume that she would have learnt her lesson.

Only when you are presented with some actual serious evidence, you would take an action. Then also you will severely reprimand and indulge in wishful thinking that she must have learnt the lesson.

3. RK's insensitivity with a wife who just had a miscarriage was very wrong but his balance actions are not.

4. He needs a friend at this time but what he has is a wife who refuses to be woman enough for him - by that I don't mean in the physical sense but in the emotional and mental sense.

He is neither falling in love with Riya nor has he fallen out of love with MB - it is more than clear from watching the episode.

If RK had been that inhuman why every track where CVs have tried to imply MB as mahaan and RK as a monster failed to get TRPs?

TRP audience are the ones who understand life and man woman relationships much better - because again they have lived through them not read or heard about them.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: LSPD

Thx charu
I was waiting for a review so that I could put my point
And I did not want to start with negativity

But what is rk
I can digest madhubala Ji is a superstar which India has not seen in last 6 years
But what is rk -- non existent

Ok he was not so prominent in his last movie but what about last 6 Years
Come in yaar people don't treat past superstars like this -- ok he is past -- we agree -- and accept - do we have a choice

Even govinda is treated better

Even a past superstar like Rakesh khanna was treated Better even when his wife dimple was a bigger star

Really this show deserves the trp it is getting

And as I said before this track is for rk haters -- really it's a pain for people who have even loved rk for a day

a female superstar, he's male no one said anything about his stardom going down people was happy to see them both and take picture with them autograph from both not just madhu but the boys praised her as she's a femal superstar didn't see like her for the last 6 year.
And maybe her first film hit because he was with her in the beginning and there was the stab and roumers so everyone wanted to watch and after that her second film flop it can happen.
even if they both became superstars what is wrong with that her love for him is the same he's no 1 in her life and her baby was too.she want everyone to be happy in the family and unite she want her love back she want to prove that she wanted her baby not movies she done this movie and happy with the success of it because it's taking all the tension from his life away ,he put 30 Carors in it and had 100 back do he's secured for anther 3 movies to produce in the same time without loans and has his house without thread.all that making her happy with the movie success .
He's wrong lo listen to his Pabhu who was torturing madhu with poja and he knew it,depali who always against madhu and wanted sultan to take her away and he know it,all the stress he put her through since the movie started and even before the movie {THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A HONEYMOON FROM THE PROBLEMS OF HIS FAMILY]and his rudeness with her and saying sorry and she forgive and support all his decions,he's wrong to go for drink every time something stress him and in the end has GIRLFRIEND to drink rubbish with her[WHICH HE NEEDS HER MORE THAN HIS WIFE] ,
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: yogendra1

I don't agree with it,for how many times u will react in the same way if your spouse fail to understand it what will u do u will try to ignore it that's what RK did he just try to ignore the situation

big difference when she knew sultan RK himself kicked her out of his life and then he wanted her back whenever he want he wanted her to breake and don't start again a new life
after he took her back home focally he didn't say he loves her he just said that she's his,they weren't married properly ,and after all that happened she kicked sultan out in the marriage day
it wasn't her fault that Mohan Kundra has anther wife and sultan was his son and wanted his mother's rights back,and in the way he wanted Madhu too with depali's encouragement and when Madhu knew his intention she fought with him and said that she going to support her husband against him[SHE DID'T GO FOR A DRINK WITH HIM BECAUSE SHE NEED ONE]
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ClosetRomantic


Nobody has forgotten RK's sins but yes, we have forgiven him for them because he has shown genuine regret for them and apologised sincerely.

RK rebuked Madhu repeatedly because she proved to be a headache for him on sets. She took on the responsibility of being his heroine but kept behaving all the time as if she has made a huge sacrifice for him. When you love someone and help them out in trouble, you don't keep reminding them of the favour all the time.

He saw the spark in her and wanted her to be an actress but when she refused he didn't force her and went ahead with the other girl. Even when that girl developed an allergy he didn't turn to her for help. Madhu took the decision herself. He never had a problem with her becoming famous, only with her overshadowing him.

He was never happy with the abortion but insisted on it because his career was on line. Again when Madhu refused he didn't force her and instead took the risk of releasing the film in 2 weeks. And when the film turned out to be a hit, he allowed himself to feel the pleasure of becoming a father. I don't understand why everybody is behaving as if RK wanted the abortion because he hated the baby?

And lastly, Madhu's sins remain so fresh in everybody's minds because she never regrets commtting them, she never even acknowledges that she has committed any blunder. She still thinks that she hasn't made a single mistake till date and it is impossible to sympathise with such a character.

Mdhu didn't do any sin when she workd in the movie she didn't tell him any thing about sacrifice but she wanted to do her duty at home to ,it was a movie[HOME PRODUCYION]so he couls do the schadual according to her but nooo he wanted her to stop everything and forget that she is a wife to do the movie even he didn't want her to do KC ,he didn't talk to her force her to eat.
Sorry watch again the Ep on 1.10.13 when the other girl didn't come and he was drinking and breaking things she told him we'll search for anther heoine,his answer was from the sky or the groung or you'll able to go in front of press to say that you're the heroine,you supporting me in everything can you do that ?no then he left to suicide so yes he asked her to be.
he insisted to abort the baby not just in one occasion but a lot of time until the permier night when he left to there and refuse to take her with him because she and her baby is the reason for the film flop and destroy the family,he cut from the film money and didn't primot it because he wanted herr to abort the baby.
The only mistake Madhu done was speaking to stranger and helped him and saved his SON's life[THIS WAS THE MAIN REASON FOR MADHU TO GET CLOSE TO SULTAN>>>HIS SON>>>]

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