Episode 437 Discussion: 25th Nov 2013 - Page 2

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Posted: 11 years ago
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@MM I agree with u.. But in this current stance RK is wrong. All his insecurities, hopelessness, ego, love for madhu kept aside, he is asking a mother to abort the baby. And for what reason? A movie which might flop even if madhu aborts her baby..
He may be right in his stance, but he is being very insensitive.. I would have bashed madhu if she was planning a pregnancy against his choice. But now she is already pregnant.. No matter what people say, abortion is not a birth control method. Yes, it is used like one by few but that doesn't make it authentic. I agree with abortion in certain cases and was still understanding why a handicapped RK doesn't want a child.. But why a flop actor/producer can't have a child is beyond me.. If money is such an issue, why is Dipali not asked to cut on her expenses? Why is Radha not cutting on her midnight parties and throwing gifts on people? Why he doesn't cut on his expensive vodka? Why are freeloaders living off him?

madhu even though was wrong many times in this track with her clueless and dumb approach.. Not that I can forgive her.. But expecting a mother to abort her baby for some material gain is too much.. Especially for RK who is still carrying the burden of his relationship with his parents.. Why can't he throw out his step family? Why can't he take any action against Pabo for filing a case against his wife? If something would have happened to him, madhu would still be rotting in jail.. But his relatives go scot free.. So why madhu's most precious relationship should suffer for his ifs and buts..

And I can't believe RK who worshipped a father-son relationship over anything wants to abort his first child. I dunno the number of days covered in today's episode, but his behavior did meet the criteria of emotional abuse. How can he shun his pregnant wife, making her cry all these days.. I don't question his love and longing for her.. But where is the concern for a wife who herself is going significant emotional and physical changes.. If madhu was pregnant with somebody else's child, I would understand this behavior but not at this point.. He just came across as an insensitive jerk.. An equally dumb husband to a ridiculously dumb wife... !!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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nice reviews..basically i loved the epi today..RMcute moments❤️ turning sour cause of madhu pregnancy.😔.both are right in their stands..but abortion is not the right solution ..no matter what..i would have loved if now that rk is fit and fine he should have told madhu that this matter can be decided a little later and think of releasing the film first ..,,but the cvs always takes a nagative route..deepali,s words have been shown effecting rk all the time..😕..the last part was awesome with a good bg song and premier date approaches.and rishbala khafa with each other..😔tom ..d day...hope to see a dhamakedar epi..😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Cardio,
I agree with you wholeheartedly. He is coming across as an insensitive jerk who will not stand by his pregnant wife right now when she needs him the most. The problem is, Madhu is not asking him any counter question here such as but what if movie becomes super hit. Then will you accept this child with all your heart? Nothing.

I mean, he refuses to believe that any movie in which RK is not there will ever become hit forget super hit. He is so full of himself, his image, his super power ability to draw in the public, for him it is a laughing matter that anyone will come to see a newbie's movie. I don't know how to explain this but this bubble is gonna burst soon right in his face.

I am rooting for this movie to make it to 200 crores club 😃and I definitely want Madhu to leave RK (with or without the baby) without a single rupee of that profit. 😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Well I was thinking if I should make a review today or not because as I said everything is very confusing , an example of confusing things : when Rk got paralysed and the film was turned heroine centric, he didn't want to make promotions and he reduced the budget of the film, he wasn't expecting the film to be a success, so why is he now mad at Madhu!!!!!

Anyway here is what I felt when I first watched the episode, I posted it somewhere else, but then I said why not post it here too :

Today Rk was shown as a selfish person, I've already said that I never wanted him to ask for abortion no matter what not even in his dreams, but when he talked about it to Madhu, I tried to understand him although I was not convinced with his arguments, and when he told her why are you torturing me when she asked him to feel the baby towards her tummy, I told myself lo Rk does want the baby it's just that he thinks this is not the right time for the baby to come to the world as he has a lot of problems and moreover he is paralysed BUT when he kept his stance even after all what happened I just got disappointed and the way he is behaving drinking, cancelling promotions, and giving cold treatment to Madhu as if the baby isn't his too!!!!! he seemed so insensitive, so selfish!!!! and to be honest from the very beginning Rk was worried about the film, this is all what he was thinking about, I know he used other arguments when he was trying to convince Madhu as the fact that he is paralysed, that he wants to give the best to the child, but whenever they showed him thinking he was only concerned about the film, minus maybe when Madhu was about to slip playing with the rain drops and he held her saving her from falling,then he might have thought that his physical condition is also a problem but MAINLY he was thinking only about the film, I tried to convince myself of the opposite but everytime he proved me wrong, I wonder now when will he repent!!!?

The film will definitely be a superhit, I wonder what will be his reaction then?

ETA: I love Rk and he is the character I like most in the show, and I completely understand that many things are at stake and I would never like it if after all his efforts, he doesn't get the due respect and appreciation as a producer and as a fighter especially when he had to give up being the centric character in the movie and I will never like it if he doesn't get offers because that would be very unbelievable and illogical, so I might even understand his frustration then BUT blaming Madhu for wanting the baby and being mad at her because she doesn't want to abort the baby especially after his recovery and her survival is disappointing for me


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Posted: 11 years ago
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@MM I don't want separation.. That would be like what did they learn from going through so much together.. I have always shipped Rishbala.. During psycho track, dumbness track, all all other tracks.. Both are equally flawed, and annoy me at constant intervals.. Madhu more than RK!
And I agree!! Madhu is not putting up a fight.. She will reason other things out with him for every lame thing, make him concede to her wishes but not in this case..

But I just hate RK hitting the bar at the drop of a hat.. I wouldn't mind it if he drinks in moderation. But he gives an impression as if he is getting back at Madhu by drinking.. When he brought madhu back, he said that he will throw away all bottles.. Then was it a trap to appease her? I mean there should be a consistency in his claims.. Why can a suave super smart RK not think calmly..??
Even if madhu gets an abortion at his behest, will she be happy again? Will he be able to face a lifeless Madhu? Why can't he think about the effect of his actions on his wife? He doesn't need madhu wala love to understand this (because she never does).. RK wala love is more perceptive of such consequences..

I want them to fight things out,. Fight with others.. Fight amongst themselves.. But not such lame battles..!! And I never favored heroine track.. I don't see why as a woman I would enjoy something a woman has to do against her wishes.. And on a professional front, never!!


@Najat I agree with u.. I don't mind the insecure RK.. That's how successful people are but abortion track is unacceptable.. In fact after the abortion track, jealousy track won't make sense..
But I still think that RK wants the best for his baby.. And his arguments are not totally wrong...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: cardio21



@Najat I agree with u.. I don't mind the insecure RK.. That's how successful people are but abortion track is unacceptable.. In fact after the abortion track, jealousy track won't make sense..
But I still think that RK wants the best for his baby.. And his arguments are not totally wrong...



I know he wants the best for the child every father does, and I'm not saying that his arguments are totally wrong but for me they are not enough to back up the abortion decision especially now that he is fit and healthy!!

ETA : I just can't understand why haven't they tried to find a middle ground and support each other, I mean if the pregnancy news is not leaked, and if they try to prepone the release of the film but instead of 13 days let's say a month or two months with madhu havng photoshoots and interviews and he can also make interviews and try t be more in lights in case Madhu can't, Madhu can have a clothes designer who would suggest her attractive outfits which can at the same time hide her body's changes!!!

They show impasse situations when there are none, actually there is no problem without solution, seems Cvs are doing all this to serve some purpose, maybe showing Rk in a bad light, making Madhu the only superstar I don't know exactly what they want, all I know is that many of what they show is just unbelievable and doesn't make sense
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: cardio21

@MM I agree with u.. But in this current stance RK is wrong. All his insecurities, hopelessness, ego, love for madhu kept aside, he is asking a mother to abort the baby. And for what reason? A movie which might flop even if madhu aborts her baby..

He may be right in his stance, but he is being very insensitive.. I would have bashed madhu if she was planning a pregnancy against his choice. But now she is already pregnant.. No matter what people say, abortion is not a birth control method. Yes, it is used like one by few but that doesn't make it authentic. I agree with abortion in certain cases and was still understanding why a handicapped RK doesn't want a child.. But why a flop actor/producer can't have a child is beyond me.. If money is such an issue, why is Dipali not asked to cut on her expenses? Why is Radha not cutting on her midnight parties and throwing gifts on people? Why he doesn't cut on his expensive vodka? Why are freeloaders living off him?

.. So why madhu's most precious relationship should suffer for his ifs and buts..

.. If madhu was pregnant with somebody else's child, I would understand this behavior but not at this point.. He just came across as an insensitive jerk.. An equally dumb husband to a ridiculously dumb wife... !!


Kashish, IMO he is justified in his stand,just if we think from his POV, you will understand where he's coming from..


firstly, we all are assuming that since he is not paralyzed now, what's the problem in having a baby?


the root of this problem is that he never considered the possibility of this movie being successful..from day 1, he has been stressing that his money is being wasted ...two, when he was paralyzed and the script was changed again with him being out of focus, he decided to cut off the budget bec. he thought that they will hardly recover their investment...n that was his only aim...then he thought that if they promote this movie well, it may have a good opening and their objective will be achieved...now the last hope of recovering the money went down the drain with Madhu being adamant to not abort her baby and telling RK that marketing and selling the movie is his problem, she has fulfilled her responsibility...


now we cannot blame him for this rigid thinking that the movie will not work...it's a risk right? he's not an astrologer to predict these things...it's his gut feeling...now WE know tht the movie will be a success but from where he is standing, he is seeing him and his family on roads and all bec. Madhu stuck to her decision..


now he can have the baby if the movie flops and chawl mein or studio mein Madhu will give birth to a child but that's unacceptable to him...flop producers have children but RK doesn't want that kind of a life for his child..


agreed, the pregnancy was unplanned and they should have been careful with the family planning...he and Madhu both r to be blamed here...


We are blaming him for being insensitive, bec. he is showing no emotional connect to his child...nor is he caring for Madhu's feelings for the baby..he is not thinking abt the long term implications of losing this baby, specially, Madhu will be the most affected by it...I dun think so...He is worried for the child, he doesn't want to give him a poverty ridden life..he thinks they can have babies in future also when their condition is better...we can argue that he can do this, he can do that , if the movie fails...but in the serial they have shown that he'll be ruined so be it...we had to accept a lot of clunk in the name of majbooris..when he had to take a loan, when no person was ready to work with him..he may rebuild everything but what is the immediate fallout ? Madhu ka pyar bacha paida kar dega? she will need medicines, she will need a hospital...


every person thinks differently and if RK wants to give his child a secure life, after he comes out of these problems, i see nothing wrong in it...he has a loser attitude, i won't deny...but he's scared and anyone in his place will be when he has everything on stake...yet, he let Madhu has her way...


cutting out on expenses is not the issue...they r not doing chindi chori here, saving each penny when they will shift in the chawl...it's a question of 40-50 crores (and acc. to RK, everything tht they have)


I know what's coming next...ke why is he unhappy tht the movie is successful? his own failure will pinch him more than Madhu's success
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@MM - I totally agree with you. Both are taking the bullheaded approach...though RK is still the whipped hubby who has done what his wife wants.
My problem with Madhu is not her pregnancy...its about her irrational and unprofessional approach to the whole heroine thing right from the start...one would expect that it would be Madhu who diligently kept her part of all the committments and see this movie through to the theatre...but we continually see a frustrated RK bearing the brunt of her irresponsibilities from MC and then running after her to get the job done.
She got away with it all because her hubby was the producer. Any other PH would have sued her for losses just like NF sued the previous actor playing Pabho.😆
And I cant even support her by saying she never wanted to do this. She chose to do this, and should thus have had the maturity to see it through to the end.

And what with those waterworks and puppy eyed looks ? If she really wanted to keep her baby and make sure her hubby succeeded, she should have fought it out with him and reached a compromise. But as I have said before, she hasnt been able to see beyond the romanticism of motherhood to grasp the materialistic necessities of the long run.

And this epi was probably the last straw for RK in this regard...she has thrown down the gauntlet and we all know RK does not react well to ultimatums. RK has by now been programmed to do what his wife wants, but he does it in vengeance. No promotion so that he can hold her accountable at the end of it all. In this part I have a problem with his characterization...wasnt he supposed to be a fighter with a never say die attitude? Or this his destructive way of getting back at her for choosing the baby over him?
Its irritating to see him drink away, even more irritating to see him not perceive how his insensitive attitude is affecting his pregnant wife. She is hormonal for crying out loud!! She will not be able to think straight beyond the debate of blue jammies versus pink blankies !!

A compromise could easily have been reached. But both are holding on to their egos and playing dumb!

Frankly I dont care at this point. Let RK burn in the pits of jealousy when Madhu becomes an overnight success...let him go crazy...and let Madhu bear the pain of this behaviour for she is no less accountable for causing it than the man himself...what with her dumbness and hormonal attitude! She was dead set on proving herself right and him wrong...so now she should be able to gloat when he fails. There are no two ways about it...

Separation Zindabaad 😃


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Posted: 11 years ago
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I could feel absolutely nothing for the two crutches being used for the next track attempt in the series - RK's bizarrely conflicting with his wife about the pregnancy, and the constant harping that the film won't succeed.
The talk of not wanting a kid he can't provide for makes utterly no sense from a man who dreamt of his kids with his beloved Madhu even when he was out on bail on a murder-charge with a possibility of getting hanged. The CVs may unfortunately not find the required amnesia convenient to cause lapsed-viewership to induce self-whiplash and believe yet more uncharacteristic clunk.😕
And there's no way that the heroine and film won't succeed, since the CVs are perhaps somewhat unlikely to get funding to attempt majboori-marathon repeat after the tight budget they already got for showing an entire film's shoots on proportionately lesser expense than the nivaarans-track alongside. Whatever effect they want to show of Madhu becoming heroine has to happen now when they have shown at least this one film even in straitened format. After the witless majbooris that were increased on every front to make this film, to make Madhu the centre of it, to use RK's money for the film but have him accept the lesser role in 60% of the film and then absenting from 40% of the film, and the other tons of stuff where the film is supposedly for him by staking his house and money for a film that was guaranteed from the very start to benefit not RK but only the director and the heroine, they have already done everything they could and yet continued the previous tracks record in inspiring no sympathy-TRP for the majboor leads forced to do things the mass-audience wouldn't support.
Both angles are drowned in residual clunk from the majbooris-marathon used to make Madhu benefit without her intending to benefit while making her say all of it. *Why* couldn't they have Mehul convince RK of the bad ideas, and Madhu benefitting without having given the final persuasive dialogue each time?
One may feel for the shoddy writing and for the lead pairing who have carried the most unfortunate creative ideas through on their charisma, but certainly far more so than the lead couple whose characterizations has been rendered nonexistent so that the CVs may force square pegs into round holes all over the place in each track.

As for RK and Madhu, they will remain conveniently ineffective depending on whether that ineffectiveness will help make Madhu heroine without her intending to benefit, or will have her pregnancy conflicted without her being the one to not want the child.

RK has remained conveniently weak, unbelievably ignorant and idiotically incompetent in the past several months.

The previous track needed him to be stupid so that the villain would look more dangerous, so RK became stupid.

The current track needed him to remain stupid so that he would accept Madhu's advice and waste his money on making a heroine-centric film which was guaranteed to be useless and professionally destructive to him from the very start.
So he accepted Madhu's backfiring advice and put his money and house at stake to stupidly make a film which would benefit not his career but rather the career of the undecided heroine, and then Madhu became that heroine.

Now the track needs one of the couple to not want this child, and the CVs can't show it being Madhu.

So the husband who accepted her backfiring advice and got himself turned into supporting actor now conveniently keeps saying he doesn't want child.
And the wife who could insistently make him change his mind about his film repeatedly on point after point - placing him at the director's mercy for a story that would do him no good - now can't convince him about their child.
Clunkdonia all around.

And the CVs think these interesting tracks with both leads behaving out of character should succeed.
They can make the imaginary film in their series superhit via clunk.
They can't make their actual series-tracks even slight hits, because the actual mass-audience doesn't think according to CVs convenience.

The litany of ludicrous professional, financial and medical majbooris suddenly afflicting RK that Madhu was then shown being mahaan and rescuing him from by herself stepping into the limelight evoked no significant viewership-increase and no sympathy-TRP to take it out of the lesser part of the inadequately mediocre 2+ TRP range, week after week and month after month.

And now, this new phase track, which would have succeeded had RK chosen to push Madhu into acting without majbooris.
But not only had he been majboor, it had even then been her choice for his sake.

But the point which is the iceberg for this grand-intended Titanic is the point at which he was paralyzed and his unmaterialistic wife was suddenly shown uncharacteristically caring about the house and money (which she is so dismissive of now) enough to convince her husband to become a supporting actor written out of 40% of his own financed film, rather than her convincing the director to change the story to accommodate her husband's handicap.

Had they shown the director insisting, and RK stupidly accepting that and convincing Madhu to become the changed story's mainstay, they might now have some ground to expect mass-sympathy for her, when she 'unexpectedly' overshadows her husband in a movie in which her role was the more important character for 60% of the film and the only important character for the remaining 40% of the film.
Instead, both times was by dint of *her* convincing her husband to accept the director's backfiring preference instead of convincing the director to accept her husband's circumstantial requirement.
Why the heck couldn't the director have been scapegoated for this nonsense without having Madhu made a part of naively ensuring the situation which would then 'unexpectedly' benefit her?

They have created tracks for almost nine months now that have caused the mass-audience to grow increasingly detached and demotivated for the series, leaving only a viewership base that is steadfast but so inadequately noncommensurate in TRP-terms for the series-budget that tracks were earlier given a month or two before being modified or scrapped, but now - after the second channels-sponsors face-off - every week and fortnight enforces modification of tracks if those tracks don't manage to get the TRP-success that had been assured of.

An extremely popular couple's adversity's viewing-draw is the expectation that they will struggle and triumph.
This couple struggles to further its own detriment, every action transparently obvious as sure of a backfiring result weeks in advance of the debacle actually unfolding in the episodes.
Each and both of the lead couple are shown doing things that can have one guaranteed result which is not to the mass-audience's taste. Everything else is ignorable background.
What is not to mass-audience's taste is not adequately compensated in any of the consecutive tracks by something that would be to their taste shown in enough amount of screentime to make the other stuff endured.
Depression plus disinterest plus the assurance of lengthy weeks of the leads not realizing what mess is happening and each exerting to make things worse with no move to realize their individual and collective blunders.
Each track has been different, and yet on these points it has remained consistent, and has ensured consistent results in viewership and track-continuance each time.
Clunk is ignored if the point is appealing to mass-audience tastes and brings in budget-commensurate TRP. Otherwise, the shoddy writing lies threadbare and the ideas are scrutinized for the extent of marketability.
The CVs lack of sense in portraying the leads lacks of sense, compensated by sponsors sense in not curbing spending only if the viewership increases fast, with slow viewership increase getting proportionately limited money. And that is both leash and liferaft, with the assurance that the leads will be able to pick up the pieces again even after several weeks or months as they have repeatedly already.😊
Edited by leelaa9 - 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: leelaa9


But the point which is the iceberg for this grand-intended Titanic is the point at which he was paralyzed and his unmaterialistic wife was suddenly shown uncharacteristically caring about the house and money (which she is so dismissive of now) enough to convince her husband to become a supporting actor written out of 40% of his own financed film, rather than her convincing the director to change the story to accommodate her husband's handicap.

Instead, both times was by dint of *her* convincing her husband to accept the director's backfiring preference instead of convincing the director to accept her husband's circumstantial requirement.
Why the heck couldn't the director have been scapegoated for this nonsense without having Madhu made a part of naively ensuring the situation which would then 'unexpectedly' benefit her?

@Leela, that was fabulous 👏 couldn't quote the whole post...

frm the way they developed the story, RK getting insecure and jealous is more than obvious...on the contrary, if he apologizes to her again and chase her, i'll def. wanna call it quits ! i know, this is why they separate them..so that they come back together...but this time, if they repeat the Sultan mistake again (RK kidnapping Madhu, apologizing to her and Madhu forgiving him), this 3 months of build up is a waste 🤢
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