Episode 407 Discussion: 19th Oct 2013

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aan-rish

@aan-rish

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#51

I really enjoyed the episode, not because of Kar-Ana romance but because there was no papo-despo scenes. I noticed one thing Madhu was nervous when they were rehearsing but why did not RK ask her about the nervousness? MC says RK no rehearsals needed and he wants everything spontaneous and real .I really don't understand what did he mean. May be he thought a real life couple can bring some real hot scenes 😡. And he even asked Madhu to bring sizzling chemistry. How can a director like MC expect perfect hot performance from a newbie like Madhu? In between the shoot RK reminds Madhu to say her lines and a nervous Madhu even forgot the name Karan 😆.

I really don't understand why my RK behaving like this. When simi gave her rehersals with RK, he had a pep talk with her. Why did not he do something like that with Madhu? My RK is not like this. Even Roma and the choreographer sensed Madhu's discomfort then why didn't RK?

But i like MC shouted at her calling a crybaby 😆. He challenged her in front of the whole crew. And now Mads will become a superwomen and do the scene well 😛. Madhu always need some challenge in her life , luckily MC did challenge her.

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Poluk

@Poluk

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: river123
Najat, thanks for posting the videos - seen on their own, outside the context of the episode (where the scene was being shot, with unit hands etc all around) Karan-Anamika together look lovely.

So my take on Madhu's discomfort is that regardless of them PDA'ing in public at various points - those were the moments when they were lost in each other, caught up in the emotion or passion of the moment, and hardly aware of anyone else. Whereas this intimate scene was specifically being enacted, in public, knowing that all eyes were on them. The fact that they are husband and wife probably makes it worse - it is like you are exposing your personal intimate moments to avid onlookers. Because RK is the experienced one, the actor, he has presumably been able to compartmentalize his emotions. Madhu, as the complete newbie, is unable to do so.

The pallu being pulled is really an intent and modesty thing - its not about how much of skin is exposed, its all about the symbolic nature of it all. 😉

To add my less than two cents on the episode sensuality, and comfort watching it with kids - I actually do not let my son watch MBEIEJ with me (or for that matter any romantic show I'm watching, including IPK1 or IPK2 etc etc) because you just never know what is going to show up. Even subtle scenes, if your child is old enough - and mine is - can be awkward. Plus, I don't really want him to be witness to my drooling sappily over the exploits of some onscreen couple. 😆

MBs discomfort was totally understandable. But MC not understanding it was not. RK it seemed understood her issues but knew that it in the film line such scenes are to be enacted. That is why was patient with her retakes. But as everyone also said why wasn't the staff minimum?

And regarding the lines in bold, how do you manage to shoo them off? My monkey if he even gets a sniff that I am trying to watch something without him will absolutely shamelessly fix himself there. No amount of coaxing is going to help. Becomes fevicol. 😆

The only option is changing the channel.

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Poluk

@Poluk

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: aan-rish

I really don't understand why my RK behaving like this. When simi gave her rehersals with RK, he had a pep talk with her. Why did not he do something like that with Madhu? My RK is not like this. Even Roma and the choreographer sensed Madhu's discomfort then why didn't RK?

In my opinion RK assumed that since MB is already intimate with him being his wife she would not have any problem doing the hot scenes. He understood too late that she was uncomfortable because of the audience. After that his expressions changed to understanding and concern.

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leelaa9

@leelaa9

Trailblazer

+ 4

Posted: 11 years ago

#54

All the reviews were very good.😊 But Hiya, agree with your entire review on every point.
Aru, Shruti, Shalini, MM, Kashish, excellent points too.

If that intimate scene were a private interaction, it would have been a delight.

I have no expectations of directorial perceptiveness or competence from Mehul.
The talk about him being a great director is right in the same league as the talk about Pabho's selflessness and asceticism.
The descriptions are invalidated by the character's behaviour.

But the RK who knew that just removing Madhu's stole even with minimum people on the sets would be excruciating for her and might make her back down from her job in his sphere, and who was so recently shown furiously violently protective of her when her blouse sleeve was torn, today he didn't even ensure that there were minimum people on the set?
Even at the last when he knew he would be untying her dori, he still didn't interrupt the scene to remind Mehul that he seemed to have forgotten the necessity of sending all but minimum needed crew away?

Mehul being a selfabsorbed incompetent enough to think a newbie actress would be comfortable doing an intimate scene if it's with her real-life husband - and discounting the crew audience in that equation - was no surprise.
This seems to be a running theme.
The wife slapping the husband for real - though not necessary - was his great idea.
No idea how Madhu needing to really slap proves she can act. Her managing reactions with a fake slap would have been actual evidence of acting ability.
And here, he doesn't even talk over an intimate scene with a girl who he knows has no inclination towards playacting for an audience.

And all his description of the heroine is being negated by every scene of this film.
Not even one adjective he had used to speak of his dream-heroine has been validated by any of the actual characterization so far.
His heroine and his story are the total opposite of what he had claimed, and not in a good way.

For RK to accept someone else's orders was not even a fraction as characterization-butchering as for RK to not insist on the removal and reworking of a scene of this sort...
After this, they had better not at the next convenient point show him getting irate and protective in her defence from any leching gazes.
This scene has only a small audience on the set, but the scene will be screened in the film for the general public to watch.
RK who was enraged into shielding Madhu from a disrespectful gaze is going to permit scenes of this sort that his wife does not wish?
He and Madhu would both have to develop a split personality for him to be protective of her as his wife while not insisting on more modest scenes mindful of the frontbenchers who will whistle at his heroine's dori being untied on the big screen.

Also this film is looking like Mehul's story and RK and Madhu doing the performances inspite of the completely unhelpful director.
Things which cameo-directors in the series so far have done correctly, Mehul botches up on every count.

And CR, you have me converted to that season 2 viewpoint in a wish-they-had way.😆
Watching DVD's sizzling chemistry and performance wasted on butchering their popular characters is excruciating enough that I'd have preferred a season 2 with the same actors playing different characters. But since the channel's inamicability seems to be with the real rather than reel, even a second season would be unlikely to remain untampered.😭☢️ After this latest month of characterization-butchering, will be content to stick to the old wellwritten episodes as the only actual worthwhile part of this series.

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yogendra1

@yogendra1

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: Poluk

MBs discomfort was totally understandable. But MC not understanding it was not. RK it seemed understood her issues but knew that it in the film line such scenes are to be enacted. That is why was patient with her retakes. But as everyone also said why wasn't the staff minimum?

And regarding the lines in bold, how do you manage to shoo them off? My monkey if he even gets a sniff that I am trying to watch something without him will absolutely shamelessly fix himself there. No amount of coaxing is going to help. Becomes fevicol. 😆

The only option is changing the channel.

agree with u for the bold lines but do u really think she would have done the scene perfectly if there was less staff or I would say only Mehul and RK or she would have known there is a camera in the room ??I will say no then also she will feel discomfort while enacting this type of scenes because She is Madhu, and not deepali or some other girls who is ready to do anything ,she is doing this film only to help RK and above all she is a newbie so it will not make a sense if she would have done such scenes perfectly in her first film without any hesitation I think by this scenes the sole purpose of the CVS was to show how a newbie feel discomfort while enacting such scenes even though her co actor is her husband.And for RK he is acting as a professional more than a husband,though he was trying to calm her down by seeing her discomfort by saying "mein hoon tumhara saath",but for his full reaction I will wait for Monday to see than only I can say something.

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LSPD

@LSPD

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#56

Guy I don't understand one thing whats the problem about a few extra people on sets
This movie is for mass viewing on big screen
Anyways it will be seen by everyone
From spot boy to rikshawala to a sweeper to a road side chippo
If rk is ok with all these men seeing his wife like that and enjoy their intimate scenes
Then why should he have a problem with a few extra men on the sets ????

I am sure tomorrow ( means near future) he will have no problem with his wife doing such scenes with other men on screen.

He is a professional na

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zoya_naziya

@zoya_naziya

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 11 years ago

#57

Interesting discussion going on... My 2 cents...
We should wait to see RKs reaction on Monday...
I might be wrong But I don't think he ever understood the real sensitivity of Madhu's issue.. He was brushing it off as usual nervousness..
IMO I don't think he understood it during the stole removing time as well n he did it casually... It is her tear drop that made him understand that she doesn't want it but even then I don't think he has realized the real sentiment behind it...

If RK had really grasped the actual sensitivity and gravity of her issue, he would have atleast told a trust me which is more impactful in this situation rather than I am with you!!!

And little of what I have seen , may be it is too early to say this as well ki when RK dons the garb of the actor he behaves professionally with Madhu on the sets and not as her husband but treats her just like his co-star and concentrates on his role, his character... This is what I felt from his body language..

Roma and the choreo are women so it is easier for them to understand such things more intuitively than the dense men...And if they were actually that understanding, then in the break they should have whisked away all the bystanders or tried telling something to someone.. The choreo to mc n Roma to RK..

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yogendra1

@yogendra1

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya
Interesting discussion going on... My 2 cents...
We should wait to see RKs reaction on Monday...
I might be wrong But I don't think he ever understood the real sensitivity of Madhu's issue.. He was brushing it off as usual nervousness..
IMO I don't think he understood it during the stole removing time as well n he did it casually... It is her tear drop that made him understand that she doesn't want it but even then I don't think he has realized the real sentiment behind it...

If RK had really grasped the actual sensitivity and gravity of her issue, he would have atleast told a trust me which is more impactful in this situation rather than I am with you!!!

And little of what I have seen , may be it is too early to say this as well ki when RK dons the garb of the actor he behaves professionally with Madhu on the sets and not as her husband but treats her just like his co-star and concentrates on his role, his character... This is what I felt from his body language..

Roma and the choreo are women so it is easier for them to understand such things more intuitively than the dense men...And if they were actually that understanding, then in the break they should have whisked away all the bystanders or tried telling something to someone.. The choreo to mc n Roma to RK..

That's what I too feel when he is in the character he acted more as a professional than as a husband so he was just trying to clam her down by saying"mein tumhare saath hoon"nothing more than that .But for his actual reaction for this scene we have to wait till Monday when Karan will become RK.

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bhavisweet

@bhavisweet

Inactive

Posted: 11 years ago

#59

Loved d epi alottt
All Rk madhu scene was juz awesome 😳

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LSPD

@LSPD

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#60

Guys I had to share it with u
I hope u find it interesting

I spoke to my mom to ask her reactions on the episode
Yes she still watches
Whereas I watch so little

My question -- mom how was the episode
Her answer --- bore tha

Me -- why
Mom--- Kya bakwaas dikha rahe the

Me --- why
Mom--- that rk is such a a selfish and bad husband and non inderstanding .How is he using his wife. How can he make her do something like this . I was feeling so bad for Madhu. She was so uncomfortable .
How bad it will look when everyone will see on screen.
Rk was so casual about it. Actually she said --- usse koi pharak Nahin pad raha tha

These are her actual words

Everyone can interpret it how they want.
This is the view of a person who is neither DVD fan or rishbala fan , but watches for entertainment and bcoz has been watching for a long time

And she was the happiest about the fact that the scene did not get canned

Edited by LSPD - 11 years ago

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