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Posted: 12 years ago
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well amazing post..u added all points quite well...i tried watching dil se once but dat was hell boring🤣..coudnt make it myself to watch it...
regarding sultan track...
its not like ppl dont like gangster tracks n all but there shud be something worth watching it...rmember laagi tujse lagan was such a hit n the gangster there named data bhau was hugely populr at dat tym...loved the show...but there r certain things that audience dont connect to...dats wat happened to sultan😆...
tahnx for the post,,//nive reading it
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Posted: 12 years ago
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umm..I agree with your whole post..the track was unplanned and mismanaged but I disagree with the "Dil Se" comment...
I am not a big fan of SRK and even I m tired of seeing both him and Salman onscreen but I truly support his Dil Se statement..I mean Indian audience could not get the fact that leads are not always goody goody but selfish too at sometimes...sometimes above family or even nation!
That is why Dil Se is different and even Mani Ratnam regards it as his one of the best till date..!!
rest of the post-agree!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Wow awesome analysis. No need to add anything.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Poluk

Just though would do an analysis on what, why and how of Sultan, a character introduced with a lot of pomp and then relegated to the current level. Forgive me if it is a bit too long.


Stage 1 : The golden hearted DON

So, after the unwedding, when RK was at his cheap best, Sultan was introduced. Audience at that time were waiting for a new entry to counter RK and were really excited. But the first error done by the CVs was making him a gangster. On top of that they made him a weak gangster who needed the heroine to save his life, had to hide in a chawl etc. The chawl scenes firmly established him as a Chota Mota Goonda in audiences eyes.

Then you had a superstar to compare, who was already the heroines husband and was clearly in love with her though at that time behaving like a jerk. Further, the wife was also in love with him.

Compare apples with apples, dont give audience peanuts to compare with apples. In the previous shows where gangsters were successful, they had shown women from poor background, in dire circumstances falling for the gangsters. Not wives of rich, successful and handsome men who are in love with their wives.

Further, educated women from good families NEVER befriend gangsters.

I still remember, 15 years ago Dil Se movie was released and was a big flop. SKR had at that time said that Indian Audience are not matured enough to understand the movie.

Even after 15 years if that movie is still released it would be a big flop. Because it was not a question of maturity. A boy protecting his terrorist love at the cost of his family and country instantly repulsed the audience.

They just could not connect with the lead. Like in this case the audience just could not connect with Sultan or MBs friendship with him.


Stage 2: Bhai- Bhai

Then when the CVs realised that romantic track was out of the question, they introduced Bhai-Bhai track. Do you think an actress like Zareena Wahab would be taken for a 10 episode role of a loony and then to disappear. No, they had bigger plans but the audience again rejected the track vehemently. Please note that CVs dont wait for TRPs to decide whether the audience is appreciating the track or not. They have other assured channels of information.

Stage 3: Omni potent Villain

By that time the audience was so fed up and so irritated that they refused to accept him in that form also. Also, he was lusting after the wife of his younger brother. Even divine intervention could not have saved this track.


Stage 4: End of the game

So RK the majnu was again wrapped up and smart RK was reintroduced.


Audience the real catalyst, the decision maker

Yes all this has happened under audience pressure. Because you may say on a random tweet use the remote but you would do anything possible to prevent that from happening. And I again say audience is not stupid and no one should dare treat it like that. (Chk the SRK incident quoted above)

Blaming the audiences maturity level for not liking or rejecting a track is the easiest way out for any show/movie maker. Audience is not blind nor mentally retarded. There are some established societal norms, some moral values which audience adhere to.

And if something is shown which is in direct contrast to it, they simply refuse to watch it. Forget the talk of principles, if something is being shown that is downright boring then also they will not watch it.

With respect to TV, Entertaining means something that can be watched with the entire family, children and even grand children. In India mothers dont allow children to watch certain cartoon shows they find offensive and they would let their children watch saga of an abusive husband and wife. If RK had been perceived abusive, if his behaviour was so bad that it could affect the moral values of our society like lajja, maryada etc, you think the TRP audience would have allowed the show to be run even one day on the home television.


PS: pls comment only on the character and do not pin point any one



De-centralisation of a central character

Outstanding analysis, Shruti.⭐️👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Amazing and excellent review. I agree word by word. Introducing him as a petty Gangster and righteous heroine who fought a Superstar for an inadvertent accident protecting him was absurd. Yes rich women of Madhu;s stature though estranged( she was still Superstar's wife albeit back to her lower middle class background). do not befriend anti social elements. There was no Robin hood tale either. That pairing was awkward even to imagine. With a strong character like R.K a parallel lead has a marginal choice to win. Had it been a powerful industrialist or anybody from film world who saved Madhu instead of getting saved that track would have been tolerating.And R.K was never perceived as an abuser instead a dark character who was betrayed in life. And all his excesses were excused.He had his own set of values though. Had a platonic relationship with his wife while he hated/loved her. Respected his mother in his own way by tolerating his step family. This made him acceptable for audience.
After building up a character and a beautiful love story for months with the most convincing pair you cannot suddenly decide to change the lead. It is not that from this day Sultan is the central character and you take it or leave it. And deliberate tampering of the lead to accommodate Sultan did not help.This is not the way to bring down the much admired lead for a substandard character to make him accepted. Audience simply left. Again the same blunder with BhaI BHAI TRACK. The mere thought of a lowly gangster might be a brother of Superstar was a put off. And after failed third angle nobody would like him to see in Madhu's life. The whole thing appeared contrived. It was expected R.K to disprove the claim at least Bhai was not thAT lost baby. If they wanted Mohan's past as the next track( not a bad idea) a new entry should have been brought. And every claim was accepted on face value. And Zarina's characterization insulted audience's intelligence. Wonder how a senior actor could be projected in this worst way. Biggest blunder is Bhai's entry into R.K mansion and suggested third angle with promos and montage. This made the show sleazy. Everything from law and order to family values and sanctity of marriage was made a mockery forcing some of us to file complaints. You are right . Anything against established moral values and logic defying will be rejected. I am still at dark what made them to do this their show. I believe success made them complacent and arrogant in assuming whatever thrown would be accepted for brand value.
Edited by subashni - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shruti, even I slightly disagree with Dil se argument..I loved that movie & I can watch it any number of times..I loved it for it's sheer brilliance in story telling & cinematography.. SRK never looked so nice & acted so well as he did under Maniratnam...Manisha Koirala was aweful though...the music was awesome..but there is no formula for success or excuse for failures...

the movie didn't flop bec. SRK supported a terrorist who he loved..He didn't knew she was a terrorist right till the end, and when he knew, he tried to stop her & save the country by giving up his life ...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: _charu_

Shruti, even I slightly disagree with Dil se argument..I loved that movie & I can watch it any number of times..I loved it for it's sheer brilliance in story telling & cinematography.. SRK never looked so nice & acted so well as he did under Maniratnam...Manisha Koirala was aweful though...the music was awesome..but there is no formula for success or excuse for failures...


the movie didn't flop bec. SRK supported a terrorist who he loved..He didn't knew she was a terrorist right till the end, and when he knew, he tried to stop her & save the country by giving up his life ...


I love Dil Se too.. 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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A fantastically written breakdown of the why's and where's things went wrong 👏 For me personally, the moment they tried to establish a golden third angle suitor through their ludicrous showings, was the day an outright detest and rejection of this character commenced. Anything else that followed in terms of his character and associated plot lines did not matter to me. He was constantly shoved down our throats and our leads were butchered to accommodate.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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👏Awesome post and good analysis
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thanks to everyone for replying.😊


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