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Posted: 12 years ago
@Puja - I was in denial whole week last week even after watching the promo. But today, I just felt as if I had received a huge blow simply because of the magnanimity of the so called revenge act he put on today. I could not fathom that he would go to such extent simply to satisfy his ego because I was looking and looking hard to see that there will be something, a flicker of softness after looking at her distraught and disheveled look with broken bangles and heart ripped and torn to pieces. That sight twisted my heart and I was hoping may be he would just soften a liitle before he continues with his act. Instead, he just dragged her along with him and the continuation of it was shown in the recent promo that I just happen to watch. As if he had not had enough of his revenge he drags to her chawl and humiliates her even further.

After the new promo, my heart sank even further and just like you I am also going to stick to the written updates and depending on how the track proceeds I will watch the episodes. Today's episode definitely took an emotional toll on me and I have still not completely reeled back from the shock.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Been a long time since I have been to this forum !
But I needed to come today to this forum, it will be therapeutic and maybe undo the heartbreak.
Doesn't help that hubby thinks I am crazy to feel this sad about a show- he doesn't even know the extent of my sadness.

My thoughts ...

Rk is not taking revenge -proven by Balraj track. However crazy a person is, self-preservation kicks in when encountering danger and if he hadn't loved Madhu, he wouldn't have done what he did.

Why ??? Only Saurabh Tiwari and CV's know...
Why create something beautiful and then break it, I feel sad that the MEIEJ team needed to break us emotionally for drama's sake.

RK could have ditched Madhu, completed his revenge act (whatever the reason) without staging a marriage - the whole beautiful mandap and going though the first rituals of marriage. That would have been kinder to her and to us viewers. This whole thing was like Death eaters, who slowly suck your soul out of you.







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Posted: 12 years ago
dont spoil the romance between them in order to make her a star. The show should remain a love story.otherwise we wont feel like watching ,RK MADHU magic must continue wed or unwed,After all they make the best pair on tv.
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Posted: 12 years ago
I hope they dont spoil the romance between the two in order to make her a heroine.i will stop watching if that happens.madhu rk make such an awesome couple.and no gloating by dipali please.Will really hate that
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12



Yes...it is ...normally this kind of behaviour is reseved for vamps and villians...this is the first time I have seen a lead display something like this...actually Siddhi in parichay did do something like this but she got away with it because she was a woman and she was being blackmailed.

Which is why I call this a gutsy risky move. When ardent fans of a character start to feels sick with his actions, you have evoked emotions but at the same time crossed a very fine line.


In my review, I was one of the first to say he is faking his act. but after seeing the WU of the new promo, I am disgusted.
Why the public humiliation?? Even if he is faking, nothing justifies this destruction. ST says, this was necessary...from what angle??? For what? ??

To make her a star???
Chalo, there were those who wanted a dark love story, evil RK...they have got their wish. I don't see too much jubilation though. All of us somewhere fell in love with RK, as we were meant to, alongwith Madhu. So it's not easy to look up to an evil RK and say ...yesss, we've got you back.


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Gurtiluv



Ananya I feel the same way I get gripped into the show like it is my real life. And start feeling for the characters as their me or my family members. And in this show I HAVE always connected more to Madhu than RK. I feel the same way no amount of redemption can turn this relationships back to the way its was. Before when they were strangers to each other their actions really didnt sting as much. But now RK has scarred this relationship in way it can never be back to normal. Madhu will always wonder when is RK acting and when is he telling the truth? Does he have any other bitterness left in him to take revenge?

RK can redeem himself as a character if they give good reasoning for his act and let Madhu take revenge on him when she turns bitter and is out of shock. If he doesnt than he is destroyed for me completely. I see a Madhu with shades coming perhabs she may become even more ruthless and cunning than RK now that she has seen how harsh the real world can be. She grew up in a sheltered environment which turned her into a strong but very niave girl. I see a tragic ending to this love story. Even if their is love between them their relationship can never be pure and innocent like it was before.

@bold: It is true that the love between them cannot be innocent as before, there will be increased awareness about each other's character but I am not sure if that is a bad thing. Would you rather have a love that puts you on pedestal and hence puts the entire pressure of maintaining that perception of love on you while he/she wallows in innocence or would you rather have a love that understands your weaknesses and compensates for them. I have always felt this to be major drawback in all the shows...the leads assume that they alone understand everything and solve it without any sharing. Right now RK bears the entire responsibility for maintaining Madhu's perception of this relationship...Madhu trusts him blindly and yes it stokes his ego but it is going to get tiring very soon. Does she have any inkling as to his self destructive psyche or even his fears ...none at all. Rk shared his feelings about running away but how much has she shared about her feelings...again none.
Let me share a sequence from my favorite show"Once upon a time"...Belle is extremely disappointed in "Rumpelstiltskin" when she realizes that he is still as violent and magic driven as ever. She walks out on him and hates him because he does not fit in her perception of a prince. It is not that Rumpelstiltskin does not try but he fails often. Rumpelstiltskin does not pursue her since he feels she is better off without him and he is beneath her. Eventually Belle realizes after finding a bloodthirsty and wounded dragon...how hard it was to be Rumpelstiltskin and while he may never completely transform into a prince, her presence helps him curb his instincts. She has to compensate for his dark side and help him.
@red:I am an idealist when it comes to emotions.I strongly feel that you can never truly hate someone you truly love. It is a leap of faith...if it does not work out it is as much his loss as yours. In some ways if you think about it...this is Madhu's test. Rk trusted her and stood by her when the entire world went against her when the truth about Shamoo came out. All the proofs were against her and she had enough motive. It was a leap of faith for him. Has Madhu done anything similar yet? No...does she have that much faith on him...we will see.
@blue: This my biggest fear...this is not the first time we have seen same type of sequence in celluloid but almost always the build up has a very explicit reason unlike what we have here. The character is a very nice person so the baseline is set very nicely but RK's character has always been abusive and abrasive that has not helped in setting the baseline. Right now the CVs have an option of taking this character either way...needless to say if it goes negative, we are headed for tragedy and if we see him pinning and all this melodrama had a reason then we have some positivity induced in the story.
Edited by dramacrazy12 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: leelaa9



MM, the point is that RK doesn't think of what he does covertly as favour or selfsacrifice.😕😊

Financing luxury for the Bhatias all these years was so that his mother wouldn't be uncomfortable.

Anything he does for Madhu is for his own sake.

Remember when he told Madhu that he saved her life from Balraj and his goons because if she had died, how would he himself have gone on living?

Whatever he does is not logical. And he has previously also made decisions without asking Madhu - in the matter of making Padmini realize her feelings for Shamsher, for example.

He's destroying himself because he feels the result vis-a-vis Madhu is worth it.

The show really started when Madhu and RK first met. Bappa has worked overtime to get them together despite all their efforts to the contrary.
😳

As for his harping on about 'Madhubala Shamsher Malik', it's like when they got married, and he'd keep saying their marriage was incomplete because they didn't complete the rituals.
By that standard, Padmini and Shamsher would also not be married.

RK is basically trying to put Madhu back at square one, where she had not been in love with him, willing to forgive him anything and do anything for him.

And what RK is doing now, I'm pretty damn sure that for the same motivation, Madhu would be willing to do exactly the same thing.😳
But she would perhaps have a harder time and less past to help her be convincing.


That is why I don't think she will have a hard time forgiving him this time either.
Because however idiotic his reason may or may not turn out to be, and however much she is getting hurt, she too would have hurt him and destroyed herself in his eyes for any reason at all for *his* sake.


These two are not logical in their love for each other and what they are willing to do for each other.😳

@bold: Superb...my sentiments exactly. This is not a question of self-sacrifice for RK but self-preservation. My only question is that does Madhu understand that.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Soundarya22


In my review, I was one of the first to say he is faking his act. but after seeing the WU of the new promo, I am disgusted.
Why the public humiliation?? Even if he is faking, nothing justifies this destruction. ST says, this was necessary...from what angle??? For what? ??

To make her a star???
Chalo, there were those who wanted a dark love story, evil RK...they have got their wish. I don't see too much jubilation though. All of us somewhere fell in love with RK, as we were meant to, alongwith Madhu. So it's not easy to look up to an evil RK and say ...yesss, we've got you back.


He is swaying public opinion in her favor...why ...we still have to find out.
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Posted: 12 years ago
okay my serious review of the episode today. I watched the episode again to check if I missed anything.

RK act of unwedding - Totally Mindless Drama - And so expensively designed by RK himself and planned from months and even advertised from last 6 days by the producer of Nautanki Films and the channel.
  • Why would anyone go to that length? Sweet Revenge on whom ? Who are the targets here ? Us or Madhu or TRP ?
  • Seriously is it even possible ? Before the elements, I declare the End of our relationship... that's what RK said. Fine.
  • But wedding card pe kiska naam chapa tha ? ( Whose name was printed on the wedding card ?) Madhubala Rishabh Kundra or Madhubala Shamsher Malik ? If no one did Madhubala's kanyaadan, why is Rishabh Kundra even taking Shamsher Malik's name ?
  • Then again...why he faked everything and brought the real pandit ? Why didn't he get a fake pandit ?

Why are there so many loopholes and bloopers in his unwedding drama and his revenge twist ? It doesn't make sense at all, unless I call him demented. He actions look sadist in nature, but he is not and the new promo and his drama at the chawl is again a masochist act. 🤔 ❓


The Drinking Scene
The way he started with his whiskey casket and that too by saying "Biwi"...I was like..."Lo shuru hua iska drama" (In English...Lo, here he starts his drama). For not even a second I felt, he was drinking to get courage...that he already had...he was drinking to have a visual impact of the Jerk Image stamped in Madhu's and viewers minds. He was being a jerk already, but visual images have stronger impact with more memory retention than verbal dialogues/commentary.

And what I was observing the whole time...how much his Adam's Apple was moving when he was drinking. And it was moving very little, as if they shot only him filling up his gullet and mouth but not actually gulping, when they must have repeatedly shot the same sequence from various angles 🤣 And the most imp question is who gulps whiskey like water and not put the casket to lips and sip🤪


The Biwi vs Madhubala Shamsher Malik
From last 4 days, he has not been saying Biwi, and now suddenly on Mandap when he supposedly is marrying the virgin daughter of Maliks, Madhubala Shamsher Malik and not Madhubala Rishabh Kundra, why was he then calling her Biwi. "Relax Biwi, Finally tumse main shaadi kar raha hoon". Who marries a Biwi ? 🤓 If Biwi...then whom did he destroy? To me it seemed he destroyed his Biwi, Madhubala Rishabh Kundra and yet he kept saying to her this is the end of Madhubala Shamsher Malik...which was not the case. It made no sense at all. 🤪
And then the dialogue writer had hit a blockade and he could not decide how to say for RK, he chose to the write the dialogue as "Rishabh unweds Madhubala". Since when he started dropping his Kundra surname 😕😲


Rishabh Kundra's moods throughout the episode
  • Watchful and Serene until he goes for Whiskey
  • Joking and Caddish behaviour until he sends away the Pandit
  • Earnest vengeful eyes when telling about his accomplishment of his revenge
  • Considerate eyes when trying to bully Madhu into giving some kind of reaction.
In the entire drama, he was like, I am taking the revenge for 4 slaps you gave me and always trying to guage the reaction Madhu would give to his dialogue. Most of the time he was confident and poised and only towards the end of the episode, he became the considerate person after Madhu stops him leaving the Mandap. I wonder, would he have left Madhu alone there and walked out in happiness if Madhu had not stopped !! 😕 🤔


Episode Technical Points:

The background Music Score
Aashish Rego actually played a very sinister kind of music. I got eerie feeling which increased the anxiety every minute, until VD as in RK started his whiskey drinking act and the Mission Impossible kind of Action Music started 😆. From then on it was drama. But the initial music was superb. 👏

Dramatic action
Superb. It was gripping. RK was a cad and a jerk today talking stupidly about revenge that was utterly non-sense and crazy, that doesn't seem to have any explanation and yet I was gripped to enjoy the drama. VD made it enjoyable for me. The guy really starts grabbing my attention when he goes for his drama, be it in subtle action or in loud drama. I think I have to see VD in a NON-ACTOR character role to judge his acting skills. I enrolled myself for the show in August watching the same despicable but intriguing man. Seems, I am back to square one.
Also I really wonder how VD delivers that kind of acting, talking something verbally, and yet showing something through the eyes as well. Has he really mastered acting !! 👏⭐️ His considerate eyes act make Madhu confident and she cries as if she now sees the man whom she knows and asks him to tell if all of it is a lie. That was really something

ETA
I am frustrated with the huge build-up they came about for radical shift in the plot. What the CVs are doing is like a volcanic upheaval to set up a correction for an aberration that had gone wrong somewhere.

Of course, I knew the marriage may not happen, because it hampers the heroine track, but the revenge theme is so idiotic...but to me it seems NOW, the heroine track would have started only in independent/unmarried phase for RK and Madhu like at the beginning of the story (Mukund days) and so may be that's the reason again to re-establish the dead revenge between them to reinstate the antagonistic states.

But what does not make sense utterly is his masochist act to tarnish his own image by creating a public drama at the chawl. This though odious in itself, is the only thing that holds hope for an ulterior motive of his revenge drama and public tarnishing of his image.
He has previously always been in news with Madhu, making them a well-loved couple, but this time by tarnishing his image, he is giving public sympathy to Madhu, who already had created waves in her mother's defense of Balraj's killing.

The Couple in Public's eyes (through Media)
  1. When Madhu filed a case against him and he was taken to Police custody
  2. When RK tarnished her image as his Lailaa
  3. When RK married her
  4. When RK came out of the studio lifting her in hands (cradle position)
  5. When RK was shot, not sure if they wrote Madhu saved him
  6. Shamsher attack/arrest though known to chawl people, RK managed the press statements
  7. 5 Years Anniversary Party for RK
  8. Padmini-Shamsher Marriage - we are told RK is managing the Press statements
  9. Balraj death, Padmini Arrest, Court trial - Full scale media coverage and Madhu is known in her own capacity but still as Madhubala Rishabh Kundra
Now the chawl drama is public...Seems he will make sure it reaches media...and if yes this is the first time he is creating a negative image of himself in public against Madhu.

So need to wait...

Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

okay my serious review of the episode today. I watched the episode again to check if I missed anything.


RK act of unwedding - Totally Mindless Drama - And so expensively designed by RK himself and planned from months and even advertised from last 6 days by the producer of Nautanki Films and the channel.
  • Why would anyone go to that length? Sweet Revenge on whom ? Who are the targets here ? Us or Madhu or TRP ?
  • Seriously is it even possible ? Before the elements, I declare the End of our relationship... that's what RK said. Fine.
  • But wedding card pe kiska naam chapa tha ? ( Whose name was printed on the wedding card ?) Madhubala Rishabh Kundra or Madhubala Shamsher Malik ? If no one did Madhubala's kanyaadan, why is Rishabh Kundra even taking Shamsher Malik's name ?
  • Then again...why he faked everything and brought the real pandit ? Why didn't he get a fake pandit ?

Why are there so many loopholes and bloopers in his unwedding drama and his revenge twist ? It doesn't make sense at all, unless I call him demented. He actions look sadist in nature, but he is not and the new promo and his drama at the chawl is again a masochist act. 🤔 ❓


The Drinking Scene
The way he started with his whiskey casket and that too by saying "Biwi"...I was like..."Lo shuru hua iska drama" (In English...Lo, here he starts his drama). For not even a second I felt, he was drinking to get courage...that he already had...he was drinking to have a visual impact of the Jerk Image stamped in Madhu's and viewers minds. He was being a jerk already, but visual images have stronger impact with more memory retention than verbal dialogues/commentary.

And what I was observing the whole time...how much his Adam's Apple was moving when he was drinking. And it was moving very little, as if they shot only him filling up his gullet and mouth but not actually gulping, when they must have repeatedly shot the same sequence from various angles 🤣 And the most imp question is who gulps whiskey like water and not put the casket to lips and sip🤪


The Biwi vs Madhubala Shamsher Malik
From last 4 days, he has not been saying Biwi, and now suddenly on Mandap when he supposedly is marrying the virgin daughter of Maliks, Madhubala Shamsher Malik and not Madhubala Rishabh Kundra, why was he then calling her Biwi. "Relax Biwi, Finally tumse main shaadi kar raha hoon". Who marries a Biwi ? 🤓 If Biwi...then whom did he destroy? To me it seemed he destroyed his Biwi, Madhubala Rishabh Kundra and yet he kept saying to her this is the end of Madhubala Shamsher Malik...which was not the case. It made no sense at all. 🤪
And then the dialogue writer had hit a blockade and he could not decide how to say for RK, he chose to the write the dialogue as "Rishabh unweds Madhubala". Since when he started dropping his Kundra surname 😕😲


Rishabh Kundra's moods throughout the episode
  • Watchful and Serene until he goes for Whiskey
  • Joking and Caddish behaviour until he sends away the Pandit
  • Earnest vengeful eyes when telling about his accomplishment of his revenge
  • Considerate eyes when trying to bully Madhu into giving some kind of reaction.
In the entire drama, he was like, I am taking the revenge for 4 slaps you gave me and always trying to guage the reaction Madhu would give to his dialogue. Most of the time he was confident and poised and only towards the end of the episode, he became the considerate person after Madhu stops him leaving the Mandap. I wonder, would he have left Madhu alone there and walked out in happiness if Madhu had not stopped !! 😕 🤔


Episode Technical Points:

The background Music Score
Aashish Rego actually played a very sinister kind of music. I got eerie feeling which increased the anxiety every minute, until VD as in RK started his whiskey drinking act and the Mission Impossible kind of Action Music started 😆. From then on it was drama. But the initial music was superb. 👏

Dramatic action
Superb. It was gripping. RK was a cad and a jerk today talking stupidly about revenge that was utterly non-sense and crazy, that doesn't seem to have any explanation and yet I was gripped to enjoy the drama. VD made it enjoyable for me. The guy really starts grabbing my attention when he goes for his drama, be it in subtle action or in loud drama. I think I have to see VD in a NON-ACTOR character role to judge his acting skills. I enrolled myself for the show in August watching the same despicable but intriguing man. Seems, I am back to square one.
Also I really wonder how VD delivers that kind of acting, talking something verbally, and yet showing something through the eyes as well. Has he really mastered acting !! 👏⭐️ His considerate eyes act make Madhu confident and she cries as if she now sees the man whom she knows and asks him to tell if all of it is a lie. That was really something


Shri
@red I was also thinking about it when I watched it the 2nd time in the morning..
But forgot to put it in my analysis..🤣 Seriously it was hilarious to see him drinking
whiskey like that. And after drinking... he had no nasha unlike in the village track after
drinking a little bit he had more nasha🤣

Anyway VD was totally awesome today. First time I did not even hear the dialogues ...I
was seeing his and hers expression throughout... 2nd time i heard the dialogues..
He was a complete dramebaaz almost the entire episode.

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