Episode 191 Discussion: 9th Feb 2013

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Episode 191 Discussion: 9th Feb 2013


Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

Objective behind the thread is
  1. It helps in keeping the forum clean without much litter. People just need to fall in a habit.
  2. We can have it like breathers at first followed by analysis.
  3. It also helps like-minded souls and pals bond and gel together to drop in their thoughts for themselves as breathers and for their friends as a peep into the episode and for others to post their reviews.
  4. And those from different time-zones, who do not get to watch the episode at this time of telecast (Indian 8:30 PM), without any worry to trace or keep track of all their buddy's posts, they can come here, read with leisure and later post their analysis after watching it from their Time zones.

For those who cannot watch can have the Live/Written Updates.
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  • There are various other threads all over the forum. Please check out those as well. This is just one choice out of so many.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Episode 191 Discussion - EOD Summary

Rishabh unweds Madhubala

Events of the Episode
  1. Needless to say, as the title expresses its the unwedding drama of Rishabh and Madhu (sans surnames) as it gets confusing. RK drinks, pours whiskey into the fire, sends away the Pandit and declares to Madhu that it is not a wedding but a UN-Wedding drama, that he so meticulously planned for months since Studio track until Balraj killing drama, that he now so fakingly designed the wedding venue through set decorators, lighting Dept, Clothes from Dress-makers.
  2. The unwedding drama is the climax of the revenge he planned for Madhubala Rish...correction Madhubala Shamsher Malik for the 4 slaps.
  3. He declares to Madhu that they are free, no longer wedded to each other and that Madhubala Shamsher Malik's life ended and so is the most cherished relationship she built for herself.

Episode Reviews:
Page 1 - vkk2429, Angeena, Thesaurus, pnars, Charu, Leela
Page 2 - Sub_Ram, apolloartemis
Page 3 - dd-vd, Soundarya, anastasia21, SD, Ananya, MarathiMulgi
Page 4 - Soundarya
Page 5 - apolloartemis, soapbubble
Page 7 - zoya_naziya, JasperJazz, madmadona
Page 8 - sadumaneet, Supercool3
Page 10 - dramacrazy12, kt25
Page 13 - Leela, Gurtiluv, Savz_Uniqueblis, kodai
Page 14 - Soundarya, SD
Page 16 - Kt25


New Promo- continuation of Feb 9th
Page 6 - GhostOrchid, SD
Page 15 - Soundarya


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Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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What a mind boggling episode..
Although heartbreaking...😭 VD and DD were brilliant today..no words to express..
Especially VD 👍🏼 Most of the time I did not even hear the dialogues because I was busy seeing their expressions👏

Got to see the episode again..however heartbreaking it may be💔
----------------------------------------------------
Saw the episode again.
Just to comment on the performance VD and DD both were exceptional today. Don't throw
chappals at me😆

Faking, no faking, pretending to fake...Does not matter whatever it is..
RK showed himself to be a monster of the WORST kind today.
Maybe knowing before hand as to what is to happen kind of helped me not to cry...
Just pretty much NUMB just like madhu.🤔
Even if he leaves her at the chawl, I do not think she will go back there which is almost a
foregone conclusion for ALL of us here.
At this point, I don't even want to speculate as to WHY he did WHAT he did.. and will
wait for the drama to unfold.
But I don't understand HOW she can ever forgive him even if he had a reason behind it -- She
has always been a person who has given the benefit of the doubt to others...
But this is not something that can be PARDONED SO EASILY
He definitely needs to be made to grovel for what and how he did it😡
As he himself said HE has been a SLOW POISON for Madhu😡

As some of you said I could not find any expression in RK that said he was faking😕
But maybe that is just me..we all see the characters in our OWN way..

@SHRI
Yesterday you had mentioned that if this is the "CLIMAX"
I could not believe he said just the same thing that you had -- that this was the "CLIMAX"







Edited by vkk2429 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I held on to a cushion throughout the episode.. There were so many moments when I wanted to shield myself using it .. from what? I don't know. I wanted to close my eyes and cover my ears and yet I couldn't. I couldn't look away from the TV screen.

Despite knowing that this was going to happen .. I was utterly surprised by the episode. DD and VD .. brilliant acting. 👏

The one moment I similed during the episode was when the pandit walked away. My mind instantly went back to yesterday's episode thread. The pandit association will never come to any event of the Kundra family.

Madhu didn't cry. Even later there were just a couple of tears.. When RK asked her why wasn't she crying, I felt my eyes tearing up.. 😭 Her lack of tears made her pain that much greater. It was pain and heartbreak beyond tears.

And RK he kept delivering hit after hit .. Saying everything that he knew would hurt her. It was like he just had to get her to cry, to hate him, to break..

And yet I refuse to believe what RK said.. It can't be a lie.. When the episode started and RK said he wanted to savor the moment .. I believed him because he knew precisely what was coming next and that this was the last moment before his own & Madhu's world were blown apart. When he started drinking all I could think was that he needed liquid courage.. He seemed to visibly steel himself for the performance of a lifetime.. When Madhu first held his collar and begged him to say that it was all a lie, for a moment he seemed to weaken, his facial expression was still in evil-mode but his eyes said something else entirely.

The precap .. won't even go into it .. Madhu looked like she had no idea what is happening.. completely lost. And RK.. Was that anger and hatred on your face for yourself? For what you have done? Any remorse?

For me the question still remains. Why RK? Why?
What reason is worth this?
Edited by Angeena - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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it was a rocking epi.👍🏼👏
DVD were outstanding.👏
i have no words to express.
but yet painful epi. too.
really can't believe RK did this for mere revenge.
4 slaps .
each n everything was fake how could be that possible?
when he was on the death bed it was fake?
when he used to imagine madhu in solitude it was fake?
sth is surely fishy?
will wait n watch.
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He broke our hearts, along with hers. We don't yet know why. We'll probably know on Tuesday (Monday looks set for prolonging this gut-wrenching "unweds" scene) or maybe not - the producer promises 2 weeks of "twisty" stuff...

What on earth can justify this devastation? What can justify breaking a person into tiny bits - the same person you've slept next to for months now, who has literally fed you, helped you when you were down, and saved your life by giving her blood to you, dammit! A piddling career in the movies???? Sounds ridiculous from where I stand right now.

At heart, we are very simple, although we tend to give ourselves grandiloquent egos, superegos and complex characters. You either like a person, or you don't. She loved him, despite all the odds stacked against them. She loved him, and he destroyed her.

I hate you tonight, Rishabh Kundra. I don't know how you will redeem yourself in her eyes, and ours, but right now, I hate you.

P.S: The saddest part of tonight's epi was the precap - when her green bangles broke and he dragged her out of that benighted place like a rag doll. What has our brave girl been reduced to!!
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WOW ! what an episode..left me thinking "is RK THIS good an actor" 😆 nothing out of the box happening, the summary was already posted a few days back...

poor poor poor Madhu 😭 she cud not guess what he's trying to do..and how can she? 😭 u dumbo RK, is this the way to do whatever you want to do ? 🤢 Madhu will pay a hefty price for marrying a superstar 😆 saari zindagi bas drama hi karte rehna hai...

the marriage didn't happen, the pandit was really disgusted 🤣 more than what we were 😆 RK narrating his revenge story..action, drama, romance , but not the right emotions in the climax isn't it? it was VD's show frm beginning to end, he did a gr8 job actingwise but i felt he was faking it all, so A+ for his acting...the real clue lied in his "wrong emotions" wala dialogue...he will make her react BIG TIME n then tell her ke it's a lie...when he said he's lying, he was not lying...woh lighting hi thi..set tha..costumes the...

i dun know what to say , it's better to comment on it when it comes..is this the right way to get her to this profession? he staged ITNA bada drama for this , unbelievable, 🤢bechari ki jaan hi nikal jaati.. will Madhu forgive him? she should not...will they ever marry ? 🥱 not anytime in the future...is it right to bring Madhu to his world? 😳 that's the big question...he will be needing immense amount of patience & understanding to keep his relationship alive..will he be able to share her with this world?? i feel bad for both of them...

again, what's there to analyze? what's the use of speculating..i know he's lying...but it's gonna be tough period for us and Madhu..for the sake of bringing drama element , perhaps this was necessary...lets wait n watch MB team ka effort paid off or no..let the TRP's come...my guess is that more than saturday, monday's TRP will be higher..bec. all the aunties will be glued to watch Madhu's suffering..🤢
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Sincerely hope Saurabh Tiwari's "two weeks" doesn't mean it's going to take Madhu 12 episodes (6 eps per week) to unravel this mess and figure out what RK is actually up to.😕
If it's a joke (extremely unlikely but not completely impossible😲😕), Madhu should slap RK 40 times multiplied by infinity.😡
And after Saurabh Tiwari's hope-inducing comments about today's episode, I'm going to take his denials about an illness track with not just a pinch but a damn huge chunk of salt.
He would not be the first producer in Hindi or Western serials to outright deny something because it's still a few days yet for the telecast.😕 And Mr. Tiwari has been far from the ruthlessness that others have had without a qualm (one producer absolutely denied something about his new serial's lead character, and it was revealed some days later to not only be true but the main story aspect) in stating outright that the romance was not a lie, and giving us the two-week timeline to wait things out.😊
So, while this two-weeks wait seems long at the moment, it's a clear understanding of how many episodes we will be watching to see the situation sorted through in.😊
It is admittedly not to be expected of any producer to reveal anything that might have people be in the know and decide whether or not they *want* to watch it. It's not an option, fine. So one waits and watches. Damnit.
Immensely relieved that only a few of the green glass bangles - a 'suhaag ki nishaani' that neither Madhu nor RK may know as such - broke, rather than the whole bunch.😊
The episode was excellent in terms of characterization, acting, dialogues et al.👏⭐️
But they had better prove RK is acting - for however idiotic a reason.😡😕
Because otherwise the characterization not just in this ep but for the past several months just got drained off.🤢
And it was a sure thing Madhu would be in a state of shock if RK pulled off this variety of performance.😭

But hopefully the fact that RK actually did get almost killed by Shamsher and then by Balraj, and then Padmini did kill Balraj will at some point - hopefully soon - ping with Madhu that RK is playing her *now*, not before.😊

Absolutely confounded why any of this idiocy would conceivably be needed to commence Madhu's stardom track.😕

If RK were to be inspired to think of it, and then insist on it, the stardom track would happen.😊

And if it had to happen *outside* of his aegis, then too putting several months of an exquisitely detailed relationship-build into ICU seems - at the moment - beyond senseless.😭

But the habit of those very months means I'm going to wait for two weeks and trust in the CVs to make sense out of this mess.
It had better be their finest denouement yet.

First, the Ballu-return track I had waited for with great anticipation came prematurely and ended.

And now, if Madhu's stardom track commences, I'm going to be too thoroughly depressed and distracted to enjoy it. Why, CVs?

On the plus side, it's definitely not revenge.😃

DD's portrayal of a woman in love shaken, anguished, and slowly shattering was
superlative, straightforward, finely nuanced and heartwrenching.⭐️

But VD had to play a far more difficult line this time to ensure that there will be a baseline identifiably in place for the story to project from whensoever RK's this play's curtains go up.

Because when Madhu finally comes out of shock and starts figuring things out, she will need that baseline to work the situation out.😊

She has already done that on a comparatively almost trivial scale when she went from almost passive anguish at RK's turning away from her in the hospital and sending her to be with her mother, to proactively working out just what his motivations had been, heading back to him and sorting things out.
The inadvertent revealing catalyst then had been Trishna.

But this time, the mess is on a massively grand scale.


In trying to ensure that she will not lack for support, RK's every action is making him look the villain of the piece in front of everyone that might have otherwise remained in ignorance.

When Madhu does figure out what his motivation is for this idiocy, she is going to have a herculean task clearing up the peripheral rubble of this drama, let alone the main damage closest to home, heart and family.

VD absolutely outdid himself in the light touch of every nuance and every expression while emotive switching.⭐️

RK was playing a role, and if Madhu were an emotionless robot instead of the anguished and tenderhearted girl she is, she might have noticed.😳

Every true admission he makes momentarily lifts the mask, and then he twists it into a lie.😳

Every outlandish claim he can make to increase the scope of that lie to cover the entire duration of their life together, he makes.

Every key event RK talks about in their conjugal life actually had him more as the affected party than as someone pulling strings.😕

And the key event that involved Kukku-Sikki and Shamsher in competition to shoot him at the visarjan was quite a performance, was it? Really?

What in the world is the man doing, and why?!😕😡


RK has a skewed sense of logic and proportionate response.

When he simply tried to sweep under the carpet Shamsher trying to kill him *three times*, he effectively proved that preventing Madhu from feeling hurt mattered less than his own life.😳

So if he is now himself hurting Madhu, the reason has to be - at least in his opinion - exponentially worse for her.

I'm absolutely on tenterhooks to find out - not just why he is doing this but even more - precisely when he went from planning to go off into happy exile with Madhu to instead driving a wedge between them.😕😭

He is very clearly taking every next step to ensure her reactions go against him.

When she appears in shock and does not cry, he keeps goading for the tears to spill.

And when the tears finally do spill, he appears relieved rather than triumphant before the veneer is back in place.


The new promo where he publicly breaks off with her also fits into that reasoning.

The one thing that had been somewhat confusing about the Madhu-Padmini bidaai scene in the previous ep (Friday, 8th Feb. 2013) was that they didn't wrap it up within the house. They went all the way to the courtyard-gates unmindful of who in the chawl might see it.

And now RK will bring Madhu back there for Act 2 of that particular location.

And is the mangalsutra to be removed once you have delivered the girl safely to her parents' home and ensured that her entire chawl gathered for a puja sympathizes with Madhu for being married to such a 'knave' as you, RK?

Just how far is too far in this play to drive away a girl who forgives you anything and everything? How far will RK go?
Or rather, how far do the CVs intend to take him on this depressing 'playacting-villain' path so that we may all be collectively more miserable?


Madhu can't stand to see her parents shattered because of her.
And RK will be shattering them in such a way that when they stand up from this blow, they will stand for and with their daughter.

After everything he has done for Shamsher and Padmini, the blow he strikes has to be terrible for them to not look for an explanation for the change in him.

At the venue in private, RK goaded Madhu into crying past the first shock.
Now he will apparently seek to goad her into rage.

And he seems to be doing his best to ensure that he - not she - will be the one destroyed in the conflagration he is stoking.

Had he simply left her there, she might not have gotten back to the chawl safely.
She might even have come to his house rather than to her parents'.

And in either situation, she would have tried to keep her hurt secret, especially from her parents and mother-in-law.

RK would have remained the perfect son-in-law, the caring husband and son, in the eyes of both families.

Instead, he is ensuring the shifting of the opinion-base in Madhu's favour.

Those that might have supported him out of ignorance will now strengthen and support her against him.

Once, to save himself, his career and his reputation, he had turned public opinion against her and her family.

This time, he is immolating his reputation - with all implications thereby to his life and career - and ensuring public sympathy for her.

It is perhaps a more difficult sacrifice he is making now - a far bitter draught - than when he was risking his life to save her from her psychopath biological father.

He is a proud man, and death or injury would perhaps not matter as dearly as the public disfavour he is courting.

Madhu will assuredly fall for the play hook, line and sinker for some time.

But for how long before she realizes that RK getting almost killed five times and more is a bit of a steep price to ensure revenge?

And just how was he intending to enjoy her misery from his successful revenge posthumously?😕

This 'revenge' drama has more holes than a sieve, damnit.😕

RK's characterization is that he would go to such extreme self-destructive lengths for the one he loves for a reason he believes worthwhile. (I'm inclined to believe no reason in this mess would fall outside of idiocy's all-encompassing ambit, but then I've never had a bent for romantic selfless self-destruction either).
Then can Madhu be shown as the sort to count her hurts and hold a distance in keeping with sanity and self-respect?
Neither of those two qualities have been a steady part of either of these two characters, especially when it comes to each other.😳

And after the way Ballu's return was turned into a damp squib in comparison to what had been expected in terms of duration and effect, not looking forward to just how this current increasingly unpleasant-looking track is going to segue into the 'better' that we are being assured of.

And we are to endure this for *two weeks*?😲😭

Knew when this series started that Madhu would be a star.😊 Did not know that she would have to become detective before that.😕

Fortunately the happily-married-couple-in-love montage is bookmarking each ep so far, and preventing depression from becoming absolute.😳😊

And regardless of what reason unfolds for RK's Jekyll-into-Hyde performance, I hope - at least in my current irritation at the fictional series ruining my real weekend - that Madhu clobbers him in addition to many *many* slaps.
However much he may have gotten hurt by then for Madhu's sake. Idiot.😡

The basic rule of secrets is that they generally get revealed after a lot has been endured to keep them secret.

Which means that one might as well have let the revelation happen on day one, and skip a lot of double dosing of heartache, guilt and sundry other elevated emotions.

One would have expected a star who has an inborn knack for drama even offscreen to remember this basic rule.

But if he had remembered and not gone into self-sacrificing self-destructing 'charade-villain' mode, and the CVs had not opted for this utterly depressing track, then we wouldn't have two weeks of tonight's absolutely delightful misery to look forward to in many variations in each coming ep.

And if RK's main reasoning (rather than potentially a mere tangential one) for all this upcoming damage to Madhu and himself emotionally and socially is making Madhu a star, then in addition to slaps and clobbering, Madhu should use a padded blunt object to knock some sense into him. (Ermm, I'm not suggesting actual violence here.)

CVs, the reason for this debacle had better be really *really* good. Madhu's stardom should have been effectively accomplished without ruining the romance track.

Please don't stretch out RK's drama for too long. Let the revelation happen soon, and please don't butcher the superb story you have created so painstakingly.

Every ep of this forthcoming miserable act won't just be RK trying to convince Madhu he fooled her.

This track is going to be a triple-edged weapon cutting into Madhu, RK and the viewers.

So please, CVs, speed up the track, and sort out the misery. Soon. Pretty please?
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The one moment I similed during the episode was when the pandit walked away. My mind instantly went back to yesterday's episode thread. The pandit association will never come to any event of the Kundra family.

Madhu didn't cry. Even later there were just a couple of tears.. When RK asked her why wasn't she crying, I felt my eyes tearing up.. Her lack of tears made her pain that much greater. It was pain and heartbreak beyond tears.


i smiled at one point where he was saying this story was filled with action, romance etc. etc. bas reh gaya toh ...i had a huge grin on my face n said "climax" n he said the same the next minute 😆

she should have cried 😭 he wanted her to cry...
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Originally posted by: pnars

He broke our hearts, along with hers. We don't yet know why. We'll probably know on Tuesday (Monday looks set for prolonging this gut-wrenching "unweds" scene) or maybe not - the producer promises 2 weeks of "twisty" stuff...


What on earth can justify this devastation? What can justify breaking a person into tiny bits - the same person you've slept next to for months now, who has literally fed you, helped you when you were down, and saved your life by giving her blood to you, dammit! A piddling career in the movies???? Sounds ridiculous from where I stand right now.

At heart, we are very simple, although we tend to give ourselves grandiloquent egos, superegos and complex characters. You either like a person, or you don't. She loved him, despite all the odds stacked against them. She loved him, and he destroyed her.

I hate you tonight, Rishabh Kundra. I don't know how you will redeem yourself in her eyes, and ours, but right now, I hate you.

P.S: The saddest part of tonight's epi was the precap - when her green bangles broke and he dragged her out of that benighted place like a rag doll. What has our brave girl been reduced to!!


Nice post. I fully agree. Along with Madhu, I am broke too. Lot of things happened since the 4 slaps scene. These cannot warrant a revenge of this sort. RK almost lost his life during the Ganapati utsav. This revenge is very rare. Good situations melt any type of hard person. It is just the way it is in life. Perhaps not in MB-dom. This serial seems to be a tit-for-tat revenge between RK and Madhu - more from RK POV - totally devastated Madhu today. Along with her, we are also devastated. Thankfully Sunday is for us to recoup and Madhu has whole life ahead.
Edited by Sub_Ram - 12 years ago

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