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Posted: 12 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

Yesterday, in that scene, RK was taunting her that she was a loser on all fronts and has nothing but to crave and wait for her dream life. And he was talking about his success and indirectly her failures. But still, the woman was highly shameless, that she made a move on him provocatively when she was pinned to the wall.It was disgusting. And RK just shirked back and moved away from her...


So even yesterday, despite RK supposedly having the upperhand and he having hit her weak nerve, was still getting bullied.. The CV's need to make RK stronger than her and not cower down in front of her. He needs to stop getting bullied. It's a hit to his manhood in the first place and no man would entertain such things, however insecure they are... Secondly, this doesn't go down well with his powerful persona too.. You don't expect a person like him to let someone , (that someone ditched him for godsake), daunt him.. You're supposed to be vengeful and it has to be shown in his acts.. Ok she might be his bhabhi and for the supposed betterment of his family, he is keeping shut, but still there would be other ways to keep her in check...In the beginning ,I used to think, prolly, he doesn't want to waste his time and energy, as it's completely useless and this woman is going to remain shameless.
But from the time of Dipali's entry till now, her audacity and shamelessness has only increased(even in front of the family, during the daal-chawal nautanki of his or at the time when the jasoos told that she was found in RK's room before this guy fled off to Karjat or when Radha entered the room and RK was shirtless and she said, came to give him milk,mads hadn't even shifted to his room then.. It was abhorring for me!!! Is the family dumb? ) and RK is just being pathetic by being a weakling in front of her.. There has to be growth in RK's character on this front...They can't butcher his character by making Dipali stronger and stronger and him weaker and weaker...

I rest my case here...

P.S: I needed to get this out of my system.. This has been plaguing my mind since y'day night..




Zoya Very well written.. Thanks.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

Yesterday, in that scene, RK was taunting Dipali that she was a loser on all fronts and has nothing but to crave and wait for her dream life. And he was talking about his success and indirectly her failures. But still, the woman was highly shameless, that she made a move on him provocatively when she was pinned to the wall.It was disgusting. And RK just shirked back and moved away from her...


So even yesterday, despite RK supposedly having the upperhand and he having hit her weak nerve, was still getting bullied.. The CV's need to make RK stronger than her and not cower down in front of her. He needs to stop getting bullied. It's a hit to his manhood in the first place and no man would entertain such things, however insecure they are... Secondly, this doesn't go down well with his powerful persona too.. You don't expect a person like him to let someone , (that someone ditched him for godsake), daunt him.. You're supposed to be vengeful and it has to be shown in his acts.. Ok she might be his bhabhi and for the supposed betterment of his family, he is keeping shut, but still there would be other ways to keep her in check...In the beginning ,I used to think, prolly, he doesn't want to waste his time and energy, as it's completely useless and this woman is going to remain shameless.
But from the time of Dipali's entry till now, her audacity and shamelessness has only increased(even in front of the family, during the daal-chawal nautanki of his or at the time when the jasoos told that she was found in RK's room before this guy fled off to Karjat or when Radha entered the room and RK was shirtless and she said, came to give him milk,mads hadn't even shifted to his room then.. It was abhorring for me!!! Is the family dumb? ) and RK is just being pathetic by being a weakling in front of her.. There has to be growth in RK's character on this front...They can't butcher his character by making Dipali stronger and stronger and him weaker and weaker...

I rest my case here...

P.S: I needed to get this out of my system.. This has been plaguing my mind since y'day night..




wow Zoya.. That was to good yaar... You really let it out...😆😆 Well I am glad you did...

Madhu needs to ask this to RK.. Hum AApke Hain Kaun????
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with you Zoya. 👍🏼 100%.

Even your lines regarding his family should be underlined and this feedback given to ColorsTV and SauarbhTiwari and GautamHegde.



Munni,
Welcome back. 🤗

And I concur with your POV regarding the love test.

And I want to add my thoughts here so that we all remember when we watch the episode tomorrow.

On Dec 18th episode this happened:
Madhu says: Pyaar saabit karne ka koi tareeka hai to batao.
RK answers: Meri Sharte sunke to tum darr (something like that word) gayi !

This conversation is TACIT agreement that Madhu is okay with her proving herself of rather willing to QUALIFY for RK's LOVE as she is OKAY to have CONDITIONAL GRANT by Rishabh Kundra to be allowed by him to love him as it was him who felt Madhu does not love him.

So, I am really not sure why Madhu was so shocked in yesterday's episode but assuming that she must be upset that he was boasting all of this to Dipali or rather she did not like Dipali being there or rather this was just the test and that they are not actually going anywhere. So I am actually confused why Madhu was so upset like that and hence my entire analysis yesterday was focussed on DIPALI-MADHU-RK break-up vis-a-vis the ugly twisted relationship the three have and no one is able to burn it to end it...although stage is set now. Since CVs created this drama and NOT the actual characters, I have expressed by concerns like others.

Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: Munni_123

When he got to know about Madhu's intentions he is on top of the world. He got gold medal. For him he is not testing Madhu's love. He is testing his own destiny which is full of failures till now.
About Madhu - She got unconditional love from people around her. Though she faced hurdles from her father she got Malik who loves her immensely without any relation or bond. She
got Roma, Trishna, and her mom. She always passed in distinction in the tests given by life.

She never faced failure like Rishabh faced. It is a blow to her when she listened RK and Deepali's convo.

Loved your perspective Munni, You managed to put in words what I was thinking...👏👏👏👏👏👏⭐️👏👏
I would like to add to this...
Madhu never truly faced a test alone, even when she went through hardships, there was always a very strong support standing by her. When RK humiliated her...he family stood by her, when RK was shot...Radha and Padmini stood by her, when Bhatias humiliated her ...RK stood by her. Almost all her efforts paid ...in some ways more than expected.
In contrast RK had to struggle alone...everyone wanted to partake in rewards of his success but no one wanted to share in his struggle or tests. Kuku Bhatia tried to launch his son but did Radha take a step to get Kuku help in RK's launch? He gave his all to each of his major relationships -Dad, mother and Dips but each of them walked away for thier own reasons and no fault of his. If he is fearful that Madhu will do the same then he is justified in that fear.
In some ways while RK has traversed a very rocky road ...Madhu still has her rose colored glasses on . I have mentioned this again and again that Madhu constantly surprises me with her simplicity (to the point of dumbness as is obvious with the way she deals with Dips)and the fact that she has not understood her husband or his hurt (as obvious by the way she keeps trying to push Radha down RK's throat).
She truly needs to grow up ...I hope this track will provide her that opportunity.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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And continuing on the same Love Test Track...which is the vehicle for the CVs to reach destinations as Radha - Drama, Trishna -Drama and Malik-Padmini as Primary Focus of the CVs

Madhu had these three impediments -Radha, Trishna and Malik-Padmini and she failed the test the first time.

So RK fixed Malik-Padmini issue for Madhu which was also part of Trishna's problem.
Then RK started working on Trishna issue and hence Balraj induced drama.
The last of these drivers is Radha. Now Radha-RK's patch up in real sense being an obsession for Madhu...since Madhu promised to Radha during Ganesha Festival, the CVs seem to be using any device available for them to have Madhu negotiate with RK to patch up with his mother...She needs him to call her "MAA" and Radha keeps reminding Madhu to do that for her. And hence Madhu is always more about her promises to Radha than what Rishabh actually wants. Madhu is a smart negotiator and changes her strategy of priorities based on the situation. So if situation demands of her to prioritize Rishabh than anyone else, she prioritizes him, if she sees him all well and cosy, she goes about making him to all other things that she wants. She has always her own agenda. Rishabh does not even sense it when actually Madhu starts doing it, though he allows her doing it...like the matter of her forcing him to reconcile with his Ganesha. Now this time she is doing with Radha. Any hurt that Rishabh seems to inflict on her, she immediately uses the opportunity to ask of him what she wants. Like she asked last time to go and ask for Rads forgiveness if he wants her to support Padmini and Malik's marriage. Its just that Rishabh understands her and does please her in a different manner, she puts her agenda to back-seat to address it again later.

This trait of Madhu as the Preserver for Rishabh Kundra had started coming up since they both accepted their marriage as reality since Ganesha track days. We can see how, she obsessively is after forcing things to him and breaking his Rishabh walls of privacy:
  1. Restoring your Faith,
  2. Reconciliation with your father's death,
  3. If accepted the marriage with me, then better live it as well...like I cook and you eat (sarson ka saag-khana khilana), I take care of you and you let yourself be cared (recovery track), I pray for you and you let me do that (KC track)
  4. and now working on your issues with your mother.

Just that its pathetic that, Dipali-Handling is not yet on her RADAR for his and her preservation For God's sake she was throwing you out of your own house against your own husband's wishes

Let me not start again with the clunk that Dipali introduced through this love test track. In my opinion, there should have been a different way to handle RK insecurities. I have never approved of Dipali's instrumental hand (becomes her blessing actually) in actually making Madhu do all the above listed things for RK. If not for Dipali, Madhu would never have started on that path. How pathetic is that ?

And in all this ...the Pawn for the drama is the Drama King himself...Rishabh Kundra. What a paradox it is that he is being played by these two women like a football...manuvering him to reach their goal post.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

Yesterday, in that scene, RK was taunting Dipali that she was a loser on all fronts and has nothing but to crave and wait for her dream life. And he was talking about his success and indirectly her failures. But still, the woman was highly shameless, that she made a move on him provocatively when she was pinned to the wall.It was disgusting. And RK just shirked back and moved away from her...


So even yesterday, despite RK supposedly having the upperhand and he having hit her weak nerve, was still getting bullied.. The CV's need to make RK stronger than her and not cower down in front of her. He needs to stop getting bullied. It's a hit to his manhood in the first place and no man would entertain such things, however insecure they are... Secondly, this doesn't go down well with his powerful persona too.. You don't expect a person like him to let someone , (that someone ditched him for godsake), daunt him.. You're supposed to be vengeful and it has to be shown in his acts.. Ok she might be his bhabhi and for the supposed betterment of his family, he is keeping shut, but still there would be other ways to keep her in check...In the beginning ,I used to think, prolly, he doesn't want to waste his time and energy, as it's completely useless and this woman is going to remain shameless.
But from the time of Dipali's entry till now, her audacity and shamelessness has only increased(even in front of the family, during the daal-chawal nautanki of his or at the time when the jasoos told that she was found in RK's room before this guy fled off to Karjat or when Radha entered the room and RK was shirtless and she said, came to give him milk,mads hadn't even shifted to his room then.. It was abhorring for me!!! Is the family dumb? ) and RK is just being pathetic by being a weakling in front of her.. There has to be growth in RK's character on this front...They can't butcher his character by making Dipali stronger and stronger and him weaker and weaker...

I rest my case here...

P.S: I needed to get this out of my system.. This has been plaguing my mind since y'day night..



The way I see it Dips is a very complicated problem and regardless of what RK/Madhu does she gains. She is aware of that very fact and hence she keeps taking her shamelessness up a notch every single time.
Let us look at the current family equation- Rk does not get along with rest of his family and insults them on a regular basis. Radha does not know or trust her son to a point that she is able to believe every single thing that Dips and Bhatias feed her. She is depending on Madhu to singlehandedly mend that relation but given her weak personality it would not take much for her to become against Madhu specifically if she thinks that Madhu is taking RK away from the family. RK in general is considered a very vindictive and unpredictable personality. His panache for playing mind games and destroying his opponent is well known. In truth RK is a gentleman with immense emotional maturity however his past failures in relationships which he terms as betrayals are his weakness and nemensis. He genuinely wants to move on with Madhu and not cause any angst either to Radha or Bhatias. He wants to forget but not forgive. Madhu is just beginning to know RK, however she is fiercely fillial and righteous and seems to ignore the deep emotional undercurrents. She is quick to judge and believe partly because of her sheltered life until now. Dips is established as good elder daughter-in-law in the household and seems to have influence over Radha. No one seems to be aware of Dips-RK connection from past.
It also seems that Dips is tired of Sikky and wants to get rid of him and pursue RK. Sikky seems to be invested in the relationship though and no one is aware of discord between the couple.
So let us see what Rishbala can do
1)RK can routinely insult Dips and ban her from entering his room-He does that in every episode but Dips is shameless enough to pursue him still. The rest of the family turns a blind eye to his reaction because they think he does that as is his habit with rest of the family. Radha actually lets Dips pursue RK because she thinks that Dips is being a good elder daughter-in-law and is trying to draw RK in family circle despite all the insults. She also thinks that RK might be more responsive to Dips than Radha since he holds no personal grudge gainst Dips. If Madhu gets in this picture- Dips is going to cry foul and blame her for distancing RK from rest of the family. Given how much control she has over Radha, it could create a rift between Radha and Madhu relationship.
2)RK reveals all - To begin with this goes against the grain of his character as this is equivalent of kiss and tell. What does that do? Dips admits and than blames RK for seducing her . With the sort of vindictive image RK has, who is going to believe him that Dips is the shameless one. It breaks Dips-Sikki marraige leaving her to to chase not only a huge divorce settlement but also pursue RK more openly. The issue creates further rift between Bhatias and RK - Radha ends up in an impossible situation where she will end up taking Kuku Bhatia's side. If the news becomes public(Sikki's way of getting back at RK)- Rk is caught in a scandal which might impact his career, Madhu and Maliks are embarrased and pitied, Dips gets get moment in spotlight and an opportunity to jumpstart her career. In all everyone except Dips loses.
3)They can move out- That is exactly what RK is planning on doing. He wants to move out and kill the reason Dip pursues him-his success. But this is a time taking process specifically with the promise he had made to Madhu.
While writers have used Dips as devil on RK's shoulder and Seema Mishra has done an amazing job with her character yet something seems missing. Why has Dips has stepped up pursuing RK so badly now after 5 long years? what does she intend to achieve? She clearly does not want him to believe in love so she is not shooting for a love relationship. Here are couple of choices-
1)She did indeed care for him and wants him back since she never got over him.
2) He is sucessfull and hence a big catch with huge purse
3) She is jealous of Madhu and her influence on RK.
4)She is unable to forgive RK for falling in love and being happy with Madhu, a chawl girl while she the sophisticate has to carry on a sham of a marraige with wimpy Sikki. The idea being if I can't have him no one can.
5)She had always believed that RK would be open to a extramarital affair and would shower her with his love and money even if she was his sister-in-law. If not for love then just to stick it to the Bhatias.
6)She is a sadist who enjoys the gloom and misery around her .She tends to use the sorrow and chaos to increase her power and get her will done.
Edited by dramacrazy12 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

I agree with you Zoya. 👍🏼 100%.


Even your lines regarding his family should be underlined and this feedback given to ColorsTV and SauarbhTiwari and GautamHegde.



Munni,
Welcome back. 🤗

And I concur with your POV regarding the love test.

And I want to add my thoughts here so that we all remember when we watch the episode tomorrow.

On Dec 18th episode this happened:
Madhu says: Pyaar saabit karne ka koi tareeka hai to batao.
RK answers: Meri Sharte sunke to tum darr (something like that word) gayi !

This conversation is TACIT agreement that Madhu is okay with her proving herself of rather willing to QUALIFY for RK's LOVE as she is OKAY to have CONDITIONAL GRANT by Rishabh Kundra to be allowed by him to love him as it was him who felt Madhu does not love him.

So, I am really not sure why Madhu was so shocked in yesterday's episode but assuming that she must be upset that he was boasting all of this to Dipali or rather she did not like Dipali being there or rather this was just the test and that they are not actually going anywhere. So I am actually confused why Madhu was so upset like that and hence my entire analysis yesterday was focussed on DIPALI-MADHU-RK break-up vis-a-vis the ugly twisted relationship the three have and no one is able to burn it to end it...although stage is set now. Since CVs created this drama and NOT the actual characters, I have expressed by concerns like others.

Agreed...I mentioned this yesterday too that I see no reason for Madhu to feel hurt ...she asked him to test her and he did. As a matter of fact she failed his test first time...he cheated by granting her allowance to fix the families to make her pass the test. I guess he wanted it so bad that he decided to cut her some slack.
Even God is said to test the faith of his devotees then why should love be any different specifically under the light of the fact that Rishbala love started in a very unconventional way and both have ample reason to want to hurt each other/destroy each other and there is no other weapon as powerful or as hurtful as love. It might sound unsavory when you say it out loud, but the fact is we test all our relationships in our small little ways every single day- sometimes life forces us to do it , sometimes we do it as a choice.
Interestingly I think that life has tested Rishbala love and faith on each other again and again. It tested RK for faith when he found out that Shamsher was out to kill him and when he shared his past, it tested him again for fidelity when Dips tried to seduce him, It tested him yet again for compromise when Madhu wanted him to attend the Karwa chauth and then again for understanding when Madhu failed his test.
Similarily life tested Madhu for humanity when RK got shot, for faith at KC. She failed the test of love but later passed the test of faith when she agreed to follow RK to end of the world. The current scenario is a retest of faith and love.
Having said it the current track is dealt with maturity a lot can come out of it-
1) Closure of past- RK has always clubbed the betrayal of his parents (which I think is an over-reaction) and that of Dips in same category. He needs to understand his parent's betrayal was a result of circumstances beyond thier control while Dip's was a matter of choice --- Big difference. Also his parents did not mean to hurt him while Dips probably did. Once he realizes that he will be able to let go of his fears, forgive Radha and move on. Radha sharing her side of story and circumstances surrounding Mohan Kundra's death.
2)Madhu needs to understand her husband and his fears. She also needs to know he might be intelligent but he is not infallible. He is vulnerable too in some ways and he needs her to guide him when he is wrong. She also needs to understand that there are people out to hurt them and with ulterior motives. If she wishes to hold onto RK then she has to work for it and be practical. Her being goody two shoes is not going to work in his world.
3)Dips chapter should be closed at least temporarily for some time.
4) A revisiting of the decision to leave it all and live in anonymity vs trying to have the best of both the worlds.
On a different note, I wonder how the Maliks and Kundras will feel when they find out that Trishna decided to sign up with Balraj and keep him a secret despite knowing how big of a danger he was to her family. Will they feel betrayed?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

Yesterday, in that scene, RK was taunting Dipali that she was a loser on all fronts and has nothing but to crave and wait for her dream life. And he was talking about his success and indirectly her failures. But still, the woman was highly shameless, that she made a move on him provocatively when she was pinned to the wall.It was disgusting. And RK just shirked back and moved away from her...


So even yesterday, despite RK supposedly having the upperhand and he having hit her weak nerve, was still getting bullied.. The CV's need to make RK stronger than her and not cower down in front of her. He needs to stop getting bullied. It's a hit to his manhood in the first place and no man would entertain such things, however insecure they are... Secondly, this doesn't go down well with his powerful persona too.. You don't expect a person like him to let someone , (that someone ditched him for godsake), daunt him.. You're supposed to be vengeful and it has to be shown in his acts.. Ok she might be his bhabhi and for the supposed betterment of his family, he is keeping shut, but still there would be other ways to keep her in check...In the beginning ,I used to think, prolly, he doesn't want to waste his time and energy, as it's completely useless and this woman is going to remain shameless.
But from the time of Dipali's entry till now, her audacity and shamelessness has only increased(even in front of the family, during the daal-chawal nautanki of his or at the time when the jasoos told that she was found in RK's room before this guy fled off to Karjat or when Radha entered the room and RK was shirtless and she said, came to give him milk,mads hadn't even shifted to his room then.. It was abhorring for me!!! Is the family dumb? ) and RK is just being pathetic by being a weakling in front of her.. There has to be growth in RK's character on this front...They can't butcher his character by making Dipali stronger and stronger and him weaker and weaker...

I rest my case here...

P.S: I needed to get this out of my system.. This has been plaguing my mind since y'day night..





Agree Zoya. This hold that she has over RK bothers me a lot. In fact, it disturbs me to no end. people keep talking of Rk changing with madhu's love, and becoming a softie, listening to whatever she says etc, but it bothers me more that he is rendered so helpless with Dipali. I really hope that he comes to his senses when he realises that he may stand to lose madhu if he continues this relationship with Dipali. Isn't it a relationship they share, if they affect each other so much? It's not love, but it's not indifference or casual.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Festival time...

Happy Pongal, Sankranti, Lohri
to all our wonderful writers😊
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Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

Agreed...I mentioned this yesterday too that I see no reason for Madhu to feel hurt ...she asked him to test her and he did. As a matter of fact she failed his test first time...he cheated by granting her allowance to fix the families to make her pass the test. I guess he wanted it so bad that he decided to cut her some slack.
If the test was RK's idea all along , then yes I agree with you.. There is no reason for Madhu to be upset because she asked for it... But sadly it was instigated by Deepali , the person who broke RK's trust in the first place..She trapped him and he fell for it..

Agree with you Dramacrazy, hopefully this situation will be a turning point in Madhu's life..understanding her husband better and keep a close eye on Dips..😆😆


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