Episode 143 Discussion: 11th Dec 2012 - Page 2

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Posted: 12 years ago
#11
pasting my today's analysis here:
"Badi himmat hai chori mein." , said the snarling tyrant consuming the collateral damaged pieces of apple skin..
"Aakhir , aap hi ki toh beti hai saahib." , proclaimed a minion.
While the monster threw the pieces of apple skin..and spat out the remains on the dusky earth of rustic memories out of disgust.

How many of you..sometimes argue with your parents for some of their traits which you find funny, or astonishing or something that you can't relate to or even detest? Suppose your mom's constant nagging and overtly worry about you even if you are in your building..and say to yourself , " I love her but when i grow up i won't have an obsession for cleanliness and not nag my daughter and suffocate her like mom does." but in the end..we all end up with those very qualities of our parents which we spite..sometimes people with horrible family backgrounds understand the domestic violence within their house but no matter how much they hate it..theirs family's blood remains within their veins and there's nothing we can do about that.So Trishnaa isn't any different. She might abhor her own blood for tormenting her to near death experiences all throughout her childhood , but in the end , they are related by blood . There is nothing we can do about that right?
Okay ..so Trishnaa now...we felt that her aim in making a mark in the glitz and glamour of the industry derived and gave birth from the humiliation bestowed upon Roma...and as we saw.That practicality came from the practicality of the film world slapped on Roma's face. roma was humiliated for her position within the stitched hierarchy of the golden , glamour world. Trishkoo as we predicted for her back to her childhood days..would want to be in the system to change it...swirled around to that twisted saying that when you get in the system to change it..the system changes you...isn't that what we saw in Trishnaa when her ambition , her life , her dreams became bigger than the people who make her bigger than their every dream?

Ambition and obsession for her dreams which are her LIFE is exactly what destroyed her relationships with everyone important to her. And now , the failure of it , the destroyed elements of it gets to her in a way through which she makes her sister the epicenter of it . Her dream of being in the arms of her dream man back then was not fulfilled . She is not in the glamorous world of opportunities and she takes that out by chiding about RishBaala's relationship and placing Madhu down . But she has always done that . Cause her desires , her needs , her frustrations have always been more important than other people's senses of justice , and relationships . Which is sad , as Padmini , Shamsher and Madhu did what not to make her forget those days of having a father like Baloo and being motherless...but none of the nurturing , or the caring worked , cause the inner monster despite so much of loving decides to dominate that heart and head , completely devoid of love and relationships . How sad is that? anyway. *sigh*.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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too bad, everyone here have twisted priorities..Padmini prioritizes Madhu above everyone else..is it SO difficult to judge that Malik was not at fault? Madhu ? bec. of this idiotic reason AGAIN, of settling down her family, reunite Malik and Padmini, she'll prolly reject her husband's wish or whateva and RK?Dips over Madhu? this ONE damn decision has changed so many people's life..Padmini 😡
Edited by _charu_ - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Story of seriously flawed characters. Are they going to let the characters redeem themselves of their flaws or is the flaw going to be a doom for them ? Like Madhu's premonition yesterday...The tragic flaw in each of them is going to create a tragedy for them.

A tragedy is okay for a drama. Not for a soap. But then I am wrong. Soaps are always about tragedies and glycerine. So I guess that is the theme of MEIEJ...Shridevi...Time to rethink. You don't like tragedies. 🤢

Most Hindu people fulfil their actions through their name meanings as their parents elders name them with the beej Akshar as given by the Pandit/astrologer who draws the horoscope of the kid at the time of birth.
  • Rishabh - means Original Lord, Musical Note "Re" in SaptSvar, Morality, Superior, Also the Bull of the Astrology Rashis...
  • Madhu - Honey, Sweet Intoxicating Drink, nectar
  • Trishna - longing, thirst, craving, desire, greed
  • Deepali - array of lamps.
The first three give meaning to their actions. 😆
Not Deepali. So how should I find meaning for her, purpose behind her existence ? A series of lamps to cause combustion ??? Nah...doesn't make sense.

Coming to flaws.
  • Rishabh - Bull that he is ...refuses to budge. Refuses to accept. Refuses to let it go.
  • Madhu - Like the intoxicated drink she is, always surrounded by Madhu Makhis. It gives pleasure when consumed. It is tragedy in itself.
  • Trishna - Where will her craving lead to ? A Marichika ? A Mirage ? A meaningless existence in itself.

Anyways things that I expected to happen in the episode:

  1. RK coming out of his Madhu-spell as soon as anyone he hates gets in contact with him in Madhu's absence, when her aura is not around him. One contact with Dipali was enough to pollute his sanctity. Such is the power of negative vibration. RK is not healed and strong enough to stay unaffected from negative energy. Mothers keep a Kaala teeka to infacts and toddlers to protect them from dark souls and negative energies as infants and toddlers are unprotected and vulnerable to good and evil spirits alike as their mind is undeveloped and unable to discern good from bad. Toh koi RK ko kaala teeka laga de, ya phir kaala dhage baandhe so that this dark spot/band protects the host through a counter to invading dark energies. Better RK does it himself. Go to Tirupati and get that black Vishnu thread and tie on your wrist. 😆 Like Ekta Kapoor has. 😉
  2. Madhu needed to be at home to preserve her happiness and RK's too. She needed to protect it. But she went out of sanctity providing house and exposed herself to evil eyes. All in her excitement to share something with her Mother that too so prematurely. Koi Madhu ki Nazar utaare...or better Madhu learn to do it herself.

Things that I did not expect to happen.

Trishna cursed her sister...to have misfortunes in what all she wishes.
Am I to feel anything ? NOPE !!! For I am a believer in positive and negative energies around us that make us or destroy us. She was potent negative energy as long as she did not say it. Now that she has declared it aloud, its done. Now its in the hands of Madhu how she wants to counter all that. Madhu reject it or accept it. All with your mind power.

Point to note: -This is the second time Madhu has been sent away from her house by Trishna.

Madhu - cursed from her birth...by her father, fate and now sister. How far she is going to run away from her fate of not to have happiness of her desire and be the cause of fury to others, be the cause of ruin to others. Fine she is being the spoke for all other souls, but what kind of fate is this to be a spoke. And she has this star crossed love also to deal with...

Isn't it like, Madhu having a Trishna for small pleasures that land her into nothing but a mirage, an illusion, something different from what she wants to see. And what if she makes these illusions as her reality and finds pleasures in them ? Making it all a Surreal Experience for her.

Oh! more than RK love confession, I want Madhu to see her real Dad from whom she inherited this fate of hers. I want Madhu come face to face with her father first. Leave Rishabh for now Madhu. Time to deal with your family first, your heritage; if you don't want to be a ill-fated girl but chart out your own destiny.

No rating for the Episode. Category: New Beginnings from Ashes.
Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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WOW...what was that, quite a depressing episode, I must say.

Before I begin my semi rant, semi summary, I would like to applaud both our leads DD and VD. The video put up today was awesome in the sense that it gives us a peek into how hard these actors work to give us our daily entertainment. They played out the scene, dialogues so many times, each time with infinitessimal changes in expressions, reactions, the most effective of which will be combined to give us 'our confession scene'. 👏...hats off to them.

Moving on..

Since we did have few more characters than just Rishbala today, would like to do 'Aaj ke mukhya kirdaar'

RK-
Today he is in the mood that madhu was in a few days ago...Madhu 's dupatta falls on him and he goes into dream land, thinking of all the fun moments he shared with her. Dipali enters and taunts him for being lost in his own thoughts. He retorts back to her that he was lost in Madhu's thoughts.
Then, most unexpectedly, we don't see them at all😡. All we see is RK storming out of the house in a rage. What happened between them, the ill fated conversation takes place but we are not privy to it!!! I thought that was kind of cheap honestly, to not show the conversation, because RK will react badly towards Madhu. So there is obviously some kind of justification to his behaviour, but we are not supposed to know.

Dipali -

Much as the actress is amazing, the character's time is up. Her mannerisms, her stylised talk is getting repetitive, and I get bored watching her. Except that she has bhadkaoed RK in some way, I have no interest in her character. Am hoping this strategy of hers will be her last one, once RK finds his way back.

Disclaimer: What is going to happen, RK's reactions are all presumptions based on spoilers we have seen.

Padmini/Malik
Don't understand this woman, so much sindoor for a man who wanted to kill her, and she does'nt want to have an ounce of empathy towards Malik. Does she feel she will let madhu down? She should know her daughter...her battles are her own and she would never expect her to ostracize Malik completely, even if she herself takes time to come out of the trauma.
Anyway, Malik convinces her to come home so that madhu does not suspect anything amiss between them. Trishna in the meanwhile, accuses her of using Malik when she needed him, and gets a slap from Malik.👏 Nevertheless, Paddy agrees to carry on the charade in front of Madhu.

Madhubala


This episode made me feel really sorry for her. What is she up against!! Her schizoid husband, mad with jealousy sister, a despo sis in law, a double dholki mom in law...gosh!!.
So Madhu's all excited about going home and RK coming for lunch. She enters the chawl and feels suddenly awkward, remembers that the last time she was home, she had confronted Malik. And she wonders whether she should have come. (At this point, I too felt, maybe she should not have made this whole arrangement. It just felt like too much, too soon. )
She asks about Malik and Didu, Padmini makes up an excuse. THey make lunch together and wait for RK. She tells her mom that RK, or Rishabh or Rishu is a good man, and that's why she has fallen in love...Padmini tells her she guessed it about her and she also knows that RK has begun to like her as well. She gets increasingly anxious about RK not coming for lunch.

Malik

Subdued, filled with regret and remorse, but has accepted that he has to pay a price for his deeds. He is happy to see an obviously happy Madhu.

Trishna -
Dipali and she should have been sisters, they would have killed each other fighting for RK, and we would have had peace!! Just like Paddy does not seem to accept Malik's remorse, it is odd that Trishna does not accept the fact Malik did commit a crime, he tried to kill another human being thrice!!! Two extreme positions on morality...Paddy and Trishna.
Today, she enters the room, overhears Paddy-Madhu's talk about love and she is furious. She accuses Madhu of destroying their family, all the while dreaming of settling her own life with RK. She curses her, badua she says, that she will never be happy in life, in her marriage with RK.
So frustrated and venomous this character is that her badua will never work...😡. While I do understand where she's coming from, her family, her career is destroyed. There seems to be no way forward for them. But on the other hand, she has grown up with madhu, she knows that Madhu has suffered a lot at the hands of RK. Is it too much to expect that she lets go of her bitterness and moves on?? Yes, it is too much to expect from Trishna because RK was her crush, her dream...her dream that Madhu will live if she is happy with RK. That is the most difficult part to accept.

I can see two parallel tracks that may get attention here...
1) Madhu's family track - with Balraj's entry, the family has to come back together to fight against him...
2) RK's love track - he has to get over his past hurt and learn to accept Madhu and his love for madhu without any baggage from his past..namely Dipali.


Edited by Soundarya22 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@SD, AA, koyel, soundarya- amazing ...all of you write so well...i have not watched the epi. i will watch it for RK remembering MB scene and for paddo-MB talking about RK...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Except for the dupatta scene...the rest of the epi was bleh..pure torture...😔...the double dose of Trishna was unbearable...by the end of epi...i went ' what the...what the' 😡😕...today, Trishna just crossed all the limits...she put a final nail in the coffin with her baddua crap...🤢 *barf* 🤢...she really proved today she is a "sauteli" daughter of Padmini...even though Padmini never differentiated between the two & brought her up as her own daughter...this girl doesn't have even one ounce of Padmini's traits...she really deserves all the badduas of the world...how envious can one be of her own sister?! *yuck*...she says - Madhu is selfish & is living in a happy bubble...somebody really needs to burst this girl's bubble with a biggg NEEDLE & make her see reality...enough of blabber & claims to CARE for god damn every person...😡😡😡😡...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Story of seriously flawed characters. Are they going to let the characters redeem themselves of their flaws or is the flaw going to be a doom for them ? Like Madhu's premonition yesterday...The tragic flaw in each of them is going to create a tragedy for them.


A tragedy is okay for a drama. Not for a soap. But then I am wrong. Soaps are always about tragedies and glycerine. So I guess that is the theme of MEIEJ...Shridevi...Time to rethink. You don't like tragedies. 🤢

Most Hindu people fulfil their actions through their name meanings as their parents elders name them with the beej Akshar as given by the Pandit/astrologer who draws the horoscope of the kid at the time of birth.
    Rishabh - means Original Lord, Musical Note "Re" in SaptSvar, Morality, Superior, Also the Bull of the Astrology Rashis... Madhu - Honey, Sweet Intoxicating Drink, nectar Trishna - longing, thirst, craving, desire, greed
  • Deepali - array of lamps.
The first three give meaning to their actions. 😆
Not Deepali. So how should I find meaning for her, purpose behind her existence ? A series of lamps to cause combustion ??? Nah...doesn't make sense.

Coming to flaws.
    Rishabh - Bull that he is ...refuses to budge. Refuses to accept. Refuses to let it go. Madhu - Like the intoxicated drink she is, always surrounded by Madhu Makhis. It gives pleasure when consumed. It is tragedy in itself.
  • Trishna - Where will her craving lead to ? A Marichika ? A Mirage ? A meaningless existence in itself.

Anyways things that I expected to happen in the episode:

    RK coming out of his Madhu-spell as soon as anyone he hates gets in contact with him in Madhu's absence, when her aura is not around him. One contact with Dipali was enough to pollute his sanctity. Such is the power of negative vibration. RK is not healed and strong enough to stay unaffected from negative energy. Mothers keep a Kaala teeka to infacts and toddlers to protect them from dark souls and negative energies as infants and toddlers are unprotected and vulnerable to good and evil spirits alike as their mind is undeveloped and unable to discern good from bad. Toh koi RK ko kaala teeka laga de, ya phir kaala dhage baandhe so that this dark spot/band protects the host through a counter to invading dark energies. Better RK does it himself. Go to Tirupati and get that black Vishnu thread and tie on your wrist. 😆 Like Ekta Kapoor has. 😉
  1. Madhu needed to be at home to preserve her happiness and RK's too. She needed to protect it. But she went out of sanctity providing house and exposed herself to evil eyes. All in her excitement to share something with her Mother that too so prematurely. Koi Madhu is Nazar utaare...or better Madhu learn to do it herself.

Things that I did not expect to happen.

Trishna cursed her sister...to have misfortunes in what all she wishes.
Am I to feel anything ? NOPE !!! For I am a believer in positive and negative energies around us that make us or destroy us. She was potent negative energy as long as she did not say it. Now that she has declared it aloud, its done. Now its in the hands of Madhu how she wants to counter all that. Madhu take it or accept it.

Point to note: -This is the second time Madhu has been sent away from her house by Trishna.

Madhu - cursed from her birth...by her father, fate and now sister. How far she is going to run away from her fate of not to have happiness of her desire and be the cause of fury to others, be the cause of ruin to others. Fine she is being the spoke for all other souls, but what kind of fate is this to be a spoke. And she has this star crossed love also to deal with...

Isn't it like, Madhu having a Trishna for small pleasures that land her into nothing but a mirage, an illusion, something different from what she wants to see. And what if she makes these illusions as her reality and finds pleasures in them ? Making it all a Surreal Experience for her.

Oh! more than RK love confession, I want Madhu to see her real Dad from whom she inherited this fate of hers. I want Madhu come face to face with her father first. Leave Rishabh for now Madhu. Time to deal with your family first, your heritage; if you don't want to be a ill-fated girl but chart out your own destiny.

No rating for the Episode. Category: New Beginnings from Ashes.

Perfect, Shri. Absolutely outstanding.⭐️👏
AA, Charu, Koyel, Soundarya, love your takes as well.😃
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Most talked about person in MB forum today: Trishna.. Finally Trisha's dreams fulfilled.

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Originally posted by: applenpeaches

Most talked about person in MB forum today: Trishna.. Finally Trisha's dreams fulfilled.



😆😆

yes - she must be on Cloud 9...😡😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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It was the Maliks day today! I am glad that they decided to shift focus to unresolved things.

Trishna taking on Padmini again for Malik gets a thumbs up from me. Malik deserved his daughter standing up for him. That gets me to my doubt' Roma stays separately? In the same chawl? Then doesn't it make more sense for Padmini, and her kids to stay with Roma instead of Malik? In that case Malik didn't have to sleep out. 😕

My heart went out to Malik when he promised Padmini to stay out when Madhu comes home. His longing for his daughter as he watched her was heart wrenching. He didn't even allow himself the luxury of watching her for a while longer. ..he couldn't risk being spotted. Probably that is why I was disappointed in the way Madhu felt when she stepped into the chawl and her rant about feeling 'ajeeb'. I wish they had shown Madhu in a conflict by making her remember Malik as a doting father along with scenes unveiling him as the culprit. I still maintain when RK was given more than a fair chance to amend his ways after almost killing a man in a drunken state, manipulation and abuse... why not Malik? Even Balraj is honoured with a karvachauth vrat🤢! I don't understand Madhu and Padmini on that front.

I have been saying this all the time... RK and Madhu have to visit their past and set things right before they move on to build a future together. And no better time than now when both of them are to admit their emotions. I am glad Trishna and Dipali brought in that reality check. Wonder what Dipali told him... if it gets him to do some soul searching I will be glad.

I thought Trishna had valid things to say today... but she ruined it all by meaning ill for her little sister. Her anger is understandable' RK entry into their lives did bring a storm along and left behind destruction... which is yet to be addressed. But to curse someone, let alone your younger sister was downright disgusting. I don't want the cvs to turn her into a vamp

Edited by tanu07 - 12 years ago

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