Episode 143 Discussion: 11th Dec 2012 - Page 5

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Posted: 12 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: bhakti2

Jealousy is an extremely complex emotion to film, hai na? In fact, it is complex even to feel. It is horribly uncomfortable, acid in its aspect, corrosive in the extreme.


But, like some have said above already, it may be that Madhu must face the spectres of her past as RK has begun to do. Sometimes I think he understands her more than she does herself.



very very well said Bhakti...he understands her more than she does herself...n more than she understands him( although i dont blame her for this, him being an extremely complicated person)...

n i simply loved d way u hv described the emotion 'jealousy'...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

  • Deepali - array of lamps.
The first three give meaning to their actions. 😆
Not Deepali. So how should I find meaning for her, purpose behind her existence ? A series of lamps to cause combustion ??? Nah...doesn't make sense.


@Bold:

Lamps only give light when there is fuel.. No fuel. No light. No use.. Actually that last sentence is not correct.. Madhu is afraid of the dark.. Then you all know what happens.. 😳

Hope your doubts are cleared..



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Just finished reading the entire thread. Lovely reviews and takes by everyone.

And Bhakti, loved this summarization

>>>>Jealousy is an extremely complex emotion to film, hai na? In fact, it is complex even to feel. It is horribly uncomfortable, acid in its aspect, corrosive in the extreme. I actually think, as hateful as Trishna is, and she is, they are playing her well. She is that person who, drowning in her own sense of inadequacy, wishes to stand on the head of another to keep her own above water. She doesn't realise the obvious - they will both drown.

Jealousy - Its not just Trishna, its Dipali as well.

Its one of the seven deadly sins. And its such a common sin. Abundantly visible. Yes, it is horribly uncomfortable, acid in its aspect, corrosive in the extreme and adding yet another dimension... making the object and subject fearful and limiting in life through nagging and dogging.

I was wondering as usual, what were the dominant rasas today. I find it is Bhayanaka and Karunya. Yes, I felt those emotions in great dozes.


What must have transpired between Dips and RK
Soap Bubble was asking what must have Dipali said which caused RK to leave in a huff.
Well, may be as everyone thinks that writers did not show what transpired between Dips and RK. But I am tempted to believe that RK saw Dipali to the same extent as we saw. Infact if you all see, yesterday and today, she is not taking too much of screen space and not having too many dialogues. Yet she looks deadly. That's because, the arrogant bitch is gone and the hurt bitch is in. She is now careful with words. She is now insulated from others taunts as she knows she had been exposed. That's where she got the edge. Rads could not but forgive her. Such was Dips smooth tongue. If I was in Rads place, I too would have had to succumb to do that. And back in RK's room, there two things that made RK leave the room in a huff. Dips negative energy was already too much, infact far too pervading and RK was feeling that just like we felt. He could see the jealous and loser Dips and he wanted to slight her in anger as usual, so he takes out proudly Madhu's name. Normally he is sarcastic of Dips own actions and failures, but here he did not slight Dips through her failings but he became vain and exposed himself and Madhu on the same hurt subject of love where once Dips had wounded him. Bad !! RK it was mad move !!!! That's when he realizes that he exposed himself to Dips again. In his sweet memories of Madhu and that sweet mood, he said he was lost in Madhu's thoughts.

But getting a different response from Dips rather than her usual, why Madhu and not me, Dips left a remark on him..."What did you ask...if you had asked me to leave this world, I would have done even that". Her claim is false, even RK knows that...but it was enough to make him come out of his cozy feelings around Madhu and to realize that he needs to buckle up again, himself, both for him and Madhu. I could feel that...so much. So far RK has protected Madhu against everything evil and bad that he knows and understands. In that seclusion between RK and Dips...there was lot of hurt that RK had and which he had not yet addressed. That's why he left in huff. Not that Dipali did something. But angry because Dipali could drive away his beautiful thoughts around Madhu. I felt he was just angry with himself how he got weakened so easily and why did he have to proudly flaunt Madhu instead of protecting her as usual. Because honestly RK need not have answered Dips that he was lost in Madhu's thoughts, unless he felt as if that was going to wound Dips. So that was a characteristic weakness, which RK will not forgive himself for using Madhu-ammunition to hurt Dips.

Hope I am making sense. Its a nagging subliminal feeling I had towards the scene. It won't go away. This was grey.

And Trishna cursing Madhu. I was aghast in seeing Trishna cross all limits of family bonding. But then I was so relieved that her poison was out. Yes, like Priya said, RK is enough for her. But then this should be Madhu's battle with Trishna.

Today RK and Madhu both were facing their nagging past in the form of Dipali and Trishna. Vestigeal relationships they are and yet they have become the toxic appendix for either of them. Both RK and Madhu left their stations in huff to escape these negative forces. But I had the comfort to see RK partially realizing that he needs to address something to gain balance ...and what is it ...he is yet to know the answer for. He just doesn't how yet...
And I was pained to see Madhu, yet again in tears and proudly leaving the place. But Madhu, for once instead of just thinking Trishna did something wrong and you as sister need to forgive her, can you actually do something about it ? Because Madhu, the curse is not on you, the curse is on your RK too. Along with you he too got the curse. Do you realize that he needs to be protected now ?

There is not yet beginning from the ashes as I wrote in my prior review. I am just hoping that this new track is about both RK and Madhu burning their past of the vestigeal organs that gives them hurt and from those ashes, make new beginnings for each other. Part of their journey needs to be solo as it is their individual battle with Dips and Trishna and how they can get the ammunition to fight is through their knowledge that each has exposed the other to the wrath of these two women and hence their responsibilty to protect the other.
Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@shri
Along with Trishna and Dipali do you think RK is also jealous that the number one priority inMadhu's life is her family? I know it is mostly his insecurity with his past experience I don't for a second think he believed Dipali's poisonous word but it was his insecurity that got the best of him. Do think there is somewhat of envy in him because he never got to be the number one priority in someone's life.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gurtiluv

@shri
Along with Trishna and Dipali do you think RK is also jealous that the number one priority inMadhu's life is her family? I know it is mostly his insecurity with his past experience I don't for a second think he believed Dipali's poisonous word but it was his insecurity that got the best of him. Do think there is somewhat of envy in him because he never got to be the number one priority in someone's life.


Sona,

Nope. RK is not jealous of anyone. Jealousy stunts one's growth. If RK was a jealous person, he would not be rising like he rises each time in every track. He will seem to be possessive, obsessive guy until he is reassured that he is loved and treasured just the way he is. And the problem is that he is too proud to ask for it and hence will behave as if he does not want it but keeps yearning for it. And honestly Madhu is not helping him at all. Madhu is dragging him into a pit too because her emotional response is quite different to what RK needs. Madhu does not give RK any peace, she merely entangles him more. That's where his struggle to find the rational ground of how much is it a reality. So today he is after one kind of reassurance, because of Madhu's own agenda, day2 it will turn out to something else.

>>> Do think there is somewhat of envy in him because he never got to be the number one priority in someone's life.
RK wants Madhu to make him as her priority, not because of his envious need to be number 1 in someone's list. It is RK's own existential need. He created a relationship from his head. And he thinks that creation as beautiful and wants to preserve at any cost. And protecting what he considers as precious cannot be deemed as his insecurity or his inadequate feelings from his life. To him Madhu is that vested experiment of his with which he is so absorbed, that he wants it to be successful every minute of how it should be working. There is creative aspect involved from him and Madhu needs to help him per this principle, but none of it is his consuming need for purely selfish reason...in the sense that everything for him and nothing for Madhu. In the world, the relationship that he forged with Madhu, he wants either of them to achieve happiness and only that will make him happy.


>>>I don't for a second think he believed Dipali's poisonous word but it was his insecurity that got the best of him.

Are you saying this, after you read by page 6 response ? Because according to what I saw, Dips did not present any poisonous word to RK at all. I am not saying you have to agree my take, just that, we are not yet sure if that actually happened. It is ambiguous and left so by writers purposefully and so better we keep saying as possibility and not as certainty that it actually happened.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Shri
I was going by the toi article that cause a commotion on this forum that said Dipali tried to poison RK's mind. Thnx for answering my question.
Edited by Gurtiluv - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The need for confession or rather as it plays on...

I had a feeling today...if Madhu should go and tell RK, how Trishna cursed their happiness. As a wife could she not share ? Yes she could. Then I thought...Madhu's pride, self-esteem will not allow her to tell all that to her husband. No self-respecting woman would want to tell these things to her husband about her family. She becomes charged to deal the problems herself rather than involve her husband.Because she cannot see either of the parties degrading the other. I heard my mom telling me her stories around these and I understand the mythological stories of self-respecting women like Sati and Parvati.

Towards my take 2 over Page 6, I see why the RK love confession scene is coming up. As I went on that long ramble about his weakness before Dips, I see that confession; though it looks so forcefully elicited out from RK, it is actually his rational take to know and be known that he loves Madhu. He is exposing himself, from his secret wishes and making it all transparent. This will indeed fortify himself with seriousness rather than be dazzled with Madhu as he felt after his Studio date. After exposing himself, he is going to drag Madhu out also...in his own way to find out to what extent she is going to go for him. I know its bad to ask someone like that. But then again, this is his Dimaag ka rishta, so he better know from Dimaag how much Madhu can actually invest herself with him, so that atleast his disappointments are known to him beforehand and he can limit his expectations and plab accordingly what needs to be done if he wants more out of it or decides to leave things as is. He might be angry at himself or herself for his dimaag ka rishta all going wrong for him against his plans, nevertheless, its his way of preserving both of them. I guess as usual Madhu will throw some surprise for him again and he may lose control by the end of it.


You know what after watching today's episode and after my two takes, I am actually at peace. Because mentally I want both RK and Madhu to deal with their individual problems rather than trying to make love for each other a big deal now, though that love for each other is the "Bone of Contention" for outsiders. So when the whole world is "Dholpeeting" and cursing them unhappiness, it actually makes sense for both of them atleast to acknowledge to each other why Duniya is "dhol peeting". So they make known the truth to each other and respectively go on with their lives. They are not going to go asunder how bad their confession turns out because, each of their partner has been targeted and cursed in their love and that won't go well with them. So united they will become against the Duniya in their love bond and not 4-phera bond of marriage this time. This positive energy needs to win over the negative energies this time.

Do you get my point ?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Because mentally I want both RK and Madhu to deal with their individual problems rather than trying to make love for each other a big deal now, though that love for each other is the "Bone of Contention" for outsiders. So when the whole world is "Dholpeeting" and cursing them unhappiness, it actually makes sense for both of them atleast to acknowledge to each other why Duniya is "dhol peeting". So they make known the truth to each other and respectively go on with their lives. They are not going to go asunder how bad their confession turns out because, each of their partner has been targeted and cursed in their love and that won't go well with them. So united they will become against the Duniya in their love bond and not 4-phera bond of marriage this time. This positive energy needs to win over the negative energies this time.


Do you get my point ?



Got it!!😊
Both of them exposed themselves to nazar today ironically. in fact, the point you mentioned about RK, why did he have to tell her he was thinking of Madhu? He exposed himself and madhu to her...with pride and happiness. And so did madhu to Paddy...with Trishna hearing her. I liked the way she said RK likes Daal-chawal...she was proud that she knew her husband...beneath the trappings, he is a simple person with simple needs.
Am really not sure how the confession will pan out...because it seems ill timed...both of them are so disturbed at this point.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: kt25



My heart was breaking for Madhu when she wished all bad things for her. Trishna is no saint for her words to come true because from what I have heard from my mom that if you wish bad things upon others then bad things times n will fall up on you. Madhu might endure tough times in her foreseeable future but it is not something that she won't be able to handle because she had withstood worse things in her life so far. So, far we have seen her as a fighter and I am pretty sure that she will fight for all the things that Trishna wished ill for her. Madhu will never speak ill of Trishna and so it has to be RK who should give her his piece of mind


@bold - I have heard that as well😊...so I am sure things will work out eventually for the couple. Right now, they are facing so much toxic energy around them...they have to fight it.




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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gurtiluv

I am further depressed with SBS segment I think their coming back from the farmhouse and RK tells Madhu to get out of the car because he is mad at her. 😭

Priya did u watch Shruti's behind the scenes shooting of the confession that's where I heard those lines.


@Sona - I just saw that SBS posted by Pritt and I just couldn't understand what in blue hell would have happened for him to exhibit a 180 degree personality change . Was it that he admitted his love and asked her to leave everything and come with him and she denied saying that she needs to take care of her family issues and he couldn't take it because she did not put him above her family??. That is just plain sad. When will they celebrate Diwali or did the CVs decide to forget about the whole festival and setting the stage and mood for VD's absence during his real life wedding. But still, if this is how it had to turn out why even make him confess in the first place. Could the CVs have not had him come back from vacation and confessed later? What is the need for this rushed confession? May be they will show us that his love actually shines when Madhu is in some kind of trouble and that trouble comes in the form of the new entry and Balraj??😕

As far as behind the scenes shooting, I am yet to catch up with that video. Do you have the link? I am always slow to catch up on the videos and articles posted.
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