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Posted: 14 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: PaNa4ever
@Param and Fatima:

The 3rd person POV is quite subtle, but I think it adds a sense of immortality to the DN story, in a way...If that makes any sense at all. The way that the promo's visuals play out, and the poetic feel of the narration made me think of the way narrators conventionally tell the story of star-crossed lovers...Except here, conventions are turned on their heads, and it's the story of two people who never thought they would find love after all that they had been through...But little did they know that all of that was only a prelude: the end of the beginning...

"Main thaamoonga haath uska..." - and Dutta really did, in a way, by saving her from Morey in a completely unconditional manner, woh bhi "achanak"! So there we go! And then Naku, of course, has been Dutta's dhaal ever since they met, so that reciprocal nature of their relationship has always been there.

Beautifully said, Borna!👏👏👏.......especially agree about how the third person POV gives this whole poetic and epic feel to the story too....yes it's a story of star-crossed lovers.....but it doesn't give any real detailed descriptions or even cliched ones....it just speaks of how the the girl is "unwanted".....that is why there is that whole enigmatic, mysterious and poetic feel to it all....and that whole sense of a JOURNEY......two ppl who found each other, found love with each other when they thought they never would.....that it wasn't in their destiny....and this wasn't a hearts and flowers wala love either.....it was raw, gritty.....they met at the edge of death as Nakku once told Dutta too.....that set the tone of their relationship thereafter.

The way that narrator muses out those lines in the promo is just so haunting that it really stays with you for a long time.....I presume AD wrote those lines....the musing quality matches with the post he finally made about Nakusha too.....and how I wish that we did indeed have MR narrating those lines at that point but he hadn't been cast yet.....ahh well.

And whoever mentioned the line about "bhula nahin paaya main use".....I so agree......holds true overall bhi naa....hum nahin bhula paayenge in characters ko, is story ko.

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Aparna

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Posted: 14 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: nureat01

*sigh* LTL's greatest quality is also it's greatest setback in a sense it seems......the very fact that it's so UNIQUE....and AD is part of the team that's made it so unique.....and yet they themselves never had much faith in their product??? SUCH irony *shakes head*......What does it speak for then today that so many of us here spend hours pouring over the wonderful material we've experienced in this show.....What are WE seeing in this? Do they ever wonder?? We are surely not a run of the mill audience since this SHOW isn't run of the mill....so we are obviously not watching it for the usual lameness.....then what is it? Do they EVER wonder? I guess not.....cuz we here are the "few" that don't translate into the numbers that REALLY matter.....some of the numbers that AD himself mentioned in some of his blog entries I guess😆.....ahh what an interesting number game.

I do find it amazing though how they can write SUCH powerful stuff and not feel AS deep a connection to it.....I mean there is such a difference in the way he's written the two shows too.....like reading the beginning lines of the post about Nakku/LTL.....him mentioning how no one in his locality remembers the title of the show even though it's been on air for more than a year....that they only remember it as the Nakusha or Nakusha-Dutta show.....the irony of that.....and the way he again muses out that haunting line from the earliest promos....."Nakusha.....ajeeb nahin lagta yeh naam?"......I guess it applies overall to LTL....."ajeeb nahin lagta yeh show?" KYA hai ismein? Kuch logon ko toh kabhi nahin dikhega😆😆 Ahh I'm babbling now.

I will forever be dumbfounded by Uttaran's popularity.....don't even get me started😆

Ok guys, I have a certain version regarding AD's non-attachment to LTL, dont know how much sense it makes though 🤔......

It might just be a matter of personal choice for AD, as I see lot of men DONT prefer LS the way females prefer, especially the "fantasy" "soulful" types! I just came up with this concept after having observed and analysed majority of MEN in my life 😆 (friends, cousins, uncles, colleagues, classmates, etc.). I wouldnt generalise this, but ya, MAJORITY of them have this kind of thinking, from what I have personally experienced. I have male friends/cousins who make fun of us when we talk about "true love" "soulful love", etc. The moment we start talking with lot of emotions and "soul" pouring out from our words, initially they just stare, then they start looking at each other and burst out laughing 😡! They just start laughing as though "kya filmy bakwaas kar rahi hain?!" All "emotions" and "soul" just goes down the drain! So I have stopped doing that, I have NEVER discussed LTL with ANY guy! And I get REALLY irritated when they say things like "Be PRACTICAL, your living in a FANTASY world!" etc. Its NOT that we are not practical, and its NOT that we believe fantasy is reality, but whats wrong in appreciating something UNIQUE and UNCOMMON?! Cant we LOVE something that is larger than life?! Does appreciating something mean we BELIEVE it is real?!?! Guys, am NOT generalising and saying ALL men are like that, but from what I have seen, I would say MAJORITY think that way ! So I think majority of guys are not into SUCH love stories. Even if they do like love stories, they prefer movies like "500 Days of Summer", etc., which seems to be MORE "practical" kinda story to them. So MAYBE this might be the case with AD too 🤔. So I guess there is nothing wrong in LTL or Tasha LS, and DEFINITELY there is nothing wrong in many of us being SO attached to it, as only THOSE who can SEE the "uniqueness" and "soul" in such stories can admire it, the rest, well what to say 🤔! So at the end of the day, maybe its just got to do with a certain kind of mentality 😕.

On a lighter note, one more thing I have noticed, you ask a guy his list of fav movies, very rarely you can spot love stories in them 😆! Some common choices being Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan, English Patient, etc. I havent heard ANY man mentioning movies like Titanic 😆! But when you ask a girl, 100%, ATLEAST ONE of the contents of the list will be an LS 😆! Again guys, I'm NOT generalizing about guys here, just talking about a majority. Btw, I just noticed, the writer who is writing D-N Eternal Story, and the real writer, BOTH are women 😉! So 😉.....

I really appreciate her sincerity and soulfulness in wanting to quench the thirst of the writer in her, which she is not able to through her profession .

Well, this was just my POV and a certain POSSIBILITY, as I dont see ANY reasoning as to why somebody AS creative as the writer would prefer Veer-Ichcha to Tasha or Veer to Dutta 😕! I havent gone through his blog, just read what Anu copy pasted, but since you all mentioned he has written an ESSAY on Veer-Ichcha (and nothing on Tasha), I'm just SHOCKED!

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sub_rosa

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Posted: 14 years ago

#33

@Aparna....I agree about most men not being interested in love stories....but Anil Deshmukh is not just a man, he is an artiste! And if we take Dutta, Naku, Kala and others as individuals, they are by far the most real and layered set of characters in TV today! How can a dialogue-writer not be elated to have got the opportunity to pen lines for them?

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AreYaar

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Posted: 14 years ago

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LOL Aparna, you make a good point....that could very well be it.....LTL is primarily a love story while Uttaran is scheming politics and loud drama involving two "friends"......AD didn't make any post about Veer-Ichha's love story as far as I could see.....He's made individual mentions of his thoughts on Ichha as a character or Veer and Vansh as characters.....but no post touting the love stories in Uttaran.....lol...He's made a bunch of entries analyzing the motives etc. of these characters otherwise though.....in conjunction with society etc. too.

But in that respect it's surprising that he never said anything about Kala either but had something to say about Tapasya.....lol.....interesting.....All in all he does have some sort of fascination with Uttaran.....whether it's cuz it's his baby or it's got higher ratings.....I don't know.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 14 years ago

#35

Originally posted by: sub_rosa
@Aparna....I agree about most men not being interested in love stories....but Anil Deshmukh is not just a man, he is an artiste! And if we take Dutta, Naku, Kala and others as individuals, they are by far the most real and layered set of characters in TV today! How can a dialogue-writer not be elated to have got the opportunity to pen lines for them?

What's most interesting is that he's written such AMAZING lines for them that stay with you for a long time.....and no, not MUSHY lines per se if we take the whole "men don't care for romance argument".....just excellent dialogues in general but he still doesn't seem to have much attachment to the characters that he's given WORDS to.......quite interesting😆

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Roopa

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Posted: 14 years ago

#36

Well he seems to be somewhat fascinated by Uttaran..
he also compares Nakusha and Iccha..
like how nakusha hisses and bites to protect herself and her husband..
and how Iccha is taught to hiss at the age of 22...😕

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AreYaar

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Posted: 14 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: -Roopa-

Well he seems to be somewhat fascinated by Uttaran..
he also compares Nakusha and Iccha..
like how nakusha hisses and bites to protect herself and her husband..
and how Iccha is taught to hiss at the age of 22...😕

Exactly.....he''ll mention Ichha and uttaran in a post even when the post isn't about them originally....it's about Nakku and LTL😆....but he ends up comparing it to Ichha nevertheless....truly he is QUITE fascinated😆

Ichha is the most bore and useless character possible and the actress playing her toh......God😆😆

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Aparna

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Posted: 14 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: sub_rosa
@Aparna....I agree about most men not being interested in love stories....but Anil Deshmukh is not just a man, he is an artiste! And if we take Dutta, Naku, Kala and others as individuals, they are by far the most real and layered set of characters in TV today! How can a dialogue-writer not be elated to have got the opportunity to pen lines for them?

Technically your right Rosa, artists are SUPPOSED to be having a broader horizon and mentality, as compared to normal people or men/women. But you never know, at the end of the day, being human beings and individuals with personal preferences, even they might be influenced to an extent. And as he has mentioned in his blog, writers are just machines, machines dont have emotions, etc, so that shows, even he has his own PERSONAL interests, but doesnt have the chance or choice to concentrate on what HE likes to write, and needs to write WHATEVER he is asked to write.

And regarding his writing for layered characters like Dutta and Kala, now I'm doubtful if he himself has understood their depth 😆! Like, have we EVER been able to understand HOW can a CREATIVE HEAD like PS NOT understand the ESSENCE of LTL, Dutta, Tasha, etc. 😲?! How can HE not see what is clicking the audience about LTL?! Even he was part of LTL for a long time right? So inspite of being so closely connected to the show, more than we audience, if this is what HE has understood, well you never know what each of them thinks 🤔.

Or on 2nd thoughts, what if AD is DELIBERATELY avoiding mentioning LTL or Dutta, so as not to upset PS and certain connected people?! Doesnt it seem that way, or else if he has mentioned Nakusha, how is it possible he hasnt mentioned ANYTHING about DUTTA 😲?! By now LTL and Dutta has become synonymous, Dutta is the SOUL of LTL, wont the writer out of all people know that?! So maybe its a purposeful skip 😕.

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Aparna

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Posted: 14 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: nureat01

What's most interesting is that he's written such AMAZING lines for them that stay with you for a long time.....and no, not MUSHY lines per se if we take the whole "men don't care for romance argument".....just excellent dialogues in general but he still doesn't seem to have much attachment to the characters that he's given WORDS to.......quite interesting😆

Your right Anu, Dutta's dialogues were never "romantic" as such (going by the romantic standards of Star One shows 😆!). He is not the kind who would give flowers on a Valentines Day, etc. Infact Tasha is such a deep and soulful couple, that their interactions are WAY beyond normal lovers. The way their "romantic" scenes touch us, I bet NO OTHER "typically romantic" scenes can touch us, especially after LTL! Tasha always has soulful and deeper communications, and its not necessary lot of people should UNDERSTAND the sweetness of it. Thats why, I know lot of people who have TRIED watching LTL, but never liked it 😕! They found it boring 😲! Lot of people think Dutta is SELFISH and how can ANY girl like a man like him 😲, but dont Nakusha and WE know the answer to this "HOW" 😉?! So at the end of the day, I guess its all about the RELATABILITY and ability to UNDERSTAND the depth and essence of LTL, Dutta and Tasha.

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Posted: 14 years ago

#40

Originally posted by: make-believe

@red: This is why LTL has been the 'stepchild', I guess...like you and Ksh and others have said always, no one seemed to have believed that LTL would actually do well...and since it's not a run of the mill show, the audience that mattered with TRPs didn't respond to it initially either. Neither did the show get any awards as opposed to an Uttaran. Even when something CRAP rolls in the numbers and gets you acknowledgement/reward, you start getting attached to it and think of it as better than it actually may be...and that's only natural. AD might be closer to Uttaran because it got more popularity and recognition and thus he invested more of himself into it than LTL which didn't necessarily 'give back'...

And HOW Uttaran gets awards...that is just beyond me in every sense considering the kind of actors that play the main trio...

@ blue - I have NEVER watched even ONE epi of Uttaran !

Regarding AD's dialogue writing, I know he has some great dialogues to his credit, but as you all have already discussed here, maybe the REAL impact was of MR & other actors, and if you have noticed, many dialogues are simple and sometimes might even seem cleche, so what is it that makes SUCH simple dialogues also beautiful 😲?! Its definitely artists like MR, AG, VR, Mahi who are adding that EXTRA MAGIC to those dialogues!

So in comparison, maybe from his abilities POV, AD must have given more to Uttaran, which wasnt translated the same way on screen (thanks to many actors!), but to LTL the case must have been other way around, whereby his investment might be lower, but its the actors who took his dialogues and the scene to a MUCH HIGHER level!

And the last few months, to be frank, I havent liked many dialogues from his side, or I have felt certain dialogues COULD have been better! Like I just rememmber a few above my head.....Nakku telling Dutta about how "women are more stronger than men" 😕. I wonder what was the need for that dialogue at THAT point?! Dutta was already down, so I dont think a dialogue pointing at his "weakness" should have been mouthed. This dialogue could have been apt at some other situation, like something similar to the situation where DN have the conversation about how Nakku is always calm no matter what happens (when Dutta brings Nakku to his room after a showdown with Ganpath!). So if the situation was a more "normal" one, and Dutta was casually asking Nakku as to from where she gets all this strength, then ya, maybe that dialogue would not have seemed THAT bad there. This is just my POV. Similarly there are many other dialogues like that, though I do agree there were many which were really good too! So I would say, the enhancement of his work has ACTUALLY got a lot to do with the script written, and acting on the part of the actors.

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