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Posted: 14 years ago
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Thank you all for such wonderful replies😊..naku is feeling better now and much stronger..she is going to give back to Dutta..bahot tarsega woh..bahot
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: ushankitvc

For Dutta, Nakku was alway a very good friend, philosopher and guide. He trusted her so much.She was his problem solver and moral support to face problems..........But not once he ever thought she too may hav some problem.........He nevr enquired abt her life, past, problems or any thing of that kind...........He was too sure that she was problemless becoz she nvr brooded or cried over it..............maybe if he would hav enquired abt it she would hav told him her truth bfore............. or atlleast given a hint.

True..but then in real friendship sharing is on both sides...he was not sure that she was problemless..but he belived that just like he shared his feelings in straitforward manner..she would too...if the time comes...but thats where nakku failed...she became a very good friend, philosopher and guide for dutta but failed to make him her friend ..by not sharing..frienship doesn't need coercsion of ant kind.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree to crystal here........nakusha is more selfless in love than dutta.......he wants her because she makes him complete..............where as she wanted that dutta should get married to anyone yet be happy.....she wanted to remove that stain of darkness from his heart n wanted to make him look beyond the horizon but he can't think out of the box as painful experiences have blocked his vision completely........who thinks dutta will be all happy hurting nakusha like this? he is also punishing himself by punishing nakusha......once he melt down, he will use his brain and analyze meaning of nakusha in his life........now its dutta test too........will he break these obstacles to win nakusha again? because I feel this time naku will walk out of his life once he forgives n understands her......
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: lizdarcy

"When love beckons to you follow him, though his ways are hard and steep. And when his wings enfold you yield to him, though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you. And when he speaks to you believe in him, though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden. For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your groW*H so is he for your pruning. Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun, so shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth......

Love possesses not nor would it be possessed; for love is sufficient unto love. And think not you can direct the course of love, if it finds you worthy, it directs your course. Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself."

But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires: To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night. To know the pain of too much tenderness. To be wounded by your own understanding of love; and to bleed willingly and joyfully."
? Kahlil Gibran (The Prophet)

I suppose Dutta's learning this lesson of love. For what is love that has no obstacles in its path. Me thinks the problem with Dutta is he got it too easy this time. Agreed, he's gone through enough pain and suffering, and he can't take anymore. He's almost insane now. But this test was necessary. His joy, his love won't be the same without the pain. When it came to Nakusha, things were too easy for him. She gave him her shoulder to cry on, whenever he needed it. She became his pillar of support. When accused of trying to sabotage his marriage, she took the blame on her head saying that if loving him was a sin, she was ready for any punishment. She saved his life, without caring for her own, and was freed. She said she'd sit by his side in the face of death, and she did that too. Dutta's taken her for granted. He's bared his soul to her, she didn't. She didn't ask him before loving him. She didn't ask him for his love either. She was ready to let go of him if it meant that he'd be happy. She was ready to see him get married to someone else and stay by his side as his friend forever.

I'm not defending Naku. She is in the wrong. Whatever her reasons, she has been dishonest with him. But did she have a selfish motive behind it? Aai Saheb had one. Babi had more than one. Kala had everything to gain. Naku had none. In her own words, she was scared. Not that he'd downright disown her. She was scared of his reaction. She was scared that he'd harm himself. She wasn't wrong, was she? He'd have done the same before the marriage, maybe the reaction would've been a bit tamer.(I doubt this?.coz Naku herself did the revealing now, and yet, he's gone crazy) So, Naku's a dishonest person, maybe. One against many of Dutta's sins. Now everyone can't be as honest as Dutta, can they? Dutta is what he is. He says what he thinks. No pretence. It doesn't matter if it's AS or Kala or Baaji who's in the wrong. For him, betrayal is betrayal. So, when was the last time he listened to the other person's side of the story when in a dilemma? I don't remember any such instance. He is open with his feelings, so he expected the same of everyone else. But sadly, not everyone is as straight as Dutta when it comes to their emotions. Dutta's an emotional time bomb waiting to go off, so it's no surprise that everyone walks on eggshells around him!

What I want to say is that, if he cannot open his eyes, if he cannot get out of his pain and see what Nakusha stands for, maybe he doesn't deserve her too. The same way he feels that she's a traitor and doesn't deserve his love right now! After everything she's done for him, does her beauty make her evil? Dutta really needs to sort this out. How can he forget everything that has happened? If Nakusha can forgive him for what he is, if she is ready to go to the ends of the earth for him, and live with him inspite of what he does?.can't he forgive her this? I love the fact that Dutta's learning this lesson of pain. Something tells me that this pain will give him the strength to face everything wrong, everything evil in his life. It will help him clear his head and heart. Sort out his priorities.

Sigh. Sorry for the rant. In the end, I'm a TaSha fan. I want them together! At any cost. And like I said in another post, I don't mind Dutta meting out this treatment to Naku, coz this time around he'll have to win her love. I SO want this! I want him to behave like a lover this time.

Tu ne apne pyaar me kya kuch nahi kiya?..

This time I want Dutta to be doing all that?.deewangi?to win her back. And for once, I don't want Naku to give in easily. Ab saara huroor tod degi woh Dutta....it's time!

Sigh. How I love this Jodi! *bawls*

Lovely just lovely..the begining line bring a lump to the throat...beautifully said.
but i agree we love this jodi..individually..dutta and nakku they both have faults and powers its the combo tasha that is the ultimate couple...i love that..i can't see any1 in pain..but..*sigh* CVs ke decision koi kaise taal sakta hai....but awesome post by lizzy..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: mussy.jamshed

I agree to crystal here........nakusha is more selfless in love than dutta.......he wants her because she makes him complete..............where as she wanted that dutta should get married to anyone yet be happy.....she wanted to remove that stain of darkness from his heart n wanted to make him look beyond the horizon but he can't think out of the box as painful experiences have blocked his vision completely........who thinks dutta will be all happy hurting nakusha like this? he is also punishing himself by punishing nakusha......once he melt down, he will use his brain and analyze meaning of nakusha in his life........now its dutta test too........will he break these obstacles to win nakusha again? because I feel this time naku will walk out of his life once he forgives n understands her......

Mussy...u knw jst cooling down is not only thng Dutta needs to do tis time...he needs to do/ learn a lot...or else ppl wil keep taking advantage of him and he wud always crave for ppl like Naku and Baji..but tat time it will be too late
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I also want to say crystal.......he said yesterday" aisa kia tha jo meine tum logo ko nahi diya"......what did naku take from him? did she accept his money........? did she accept any jewels.........naku did not take anything from him.........he is again disgracing her.............nakusha always at the receiving end...........nakusha did great things from him,........she made him realize importance of love and trust.....in supriya's fiasco she forbeared his punishment.........she was ready to die for him , she saved him n his family.........she also rejected his proposal saying I am not of yr status n u can get somebetter than me........she agreed to marriage as dutta was unhappy..........for AS..........she did not want to marry him before telling him the truth.......she bowed down to elders wishes n getting punished again.........what did she get in the end? punishment., hatred........I tell u nakusha will lose hope in love this time........she trusted dutta always but dutta always doubted her when put to test.........I want this time nakusha does not forgive dutta so easily...........I want her to forgive him n yet walk away from his life to show that "she can let him go for his own good"........then he better try hard to win her again..........n then tasha gets united.......
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Posted: 14 years ago
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very good thought crys..............................

U observed it very well............................................... before sharing anything regarding ur post i want to share something....................... thats not at all true that we haven't feel nakku's pain......................
we well understand nakku's pain even have sympathy for her.............................. Now as u said why always Dutta is forgiven for his mistake and why nakku always pay for every mistake either she commit it or not........................ The reason is very simple cv's are showing two different personalities........................ yaar i agreed we say that we r modren girls & have equal rights........... but if u think abt the couples around u.......................... u find that girls r tend to do sacrifies..... but boys r bit stubborn............................. thats the thing they showing in show also...........................
nakku believes to forgive & forget.......................... But Dutta has such bitter experiences in lyf so that he cant let go things easily.............................. this time nakku is actually wrong................ doesn't matter that she choose this way on saying of her mom, bajji, AS & so on...........................
we cannot expect Dutta to be normal in just a snap.............................. but on the other side he too need to understand nakku................... he may take some time to understand things but till then atleast not punish or torture her.......................
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I love both Dutta and Nakku....So I am always going to justify both of them. In my opinion, they both need to learn stuff from each other. That is love.

I can never call Nakku a betrayer or a selfish person. If you remember the scene with Babi after she ran away to her after Dutta confessed, she says she is scared for him and that he will be broken and never believe in anyone after that. That is the extent she understands him, because that is what he is doing now. But just a week before the marriage, the stuff they showed actually was spoiling the look of her character to me. She was not shown to be feeling guilty...somehow she was confident and did not think much of her truth..Anyway that is history and the marriage really made it up for me...And I still feel very bad for the way she had to go through the most important event in her life with guilt and soot on...

She did do a mistake..but to forgive is also love. She has forgiven Dutta numerous times...Even when he married her by force, she only thought about how hurt he is. When he asked her to shoot at him, she was broken down because she had to shoot at her Saab..All these things she did has been etched in my mind so much that I cannot ever think her as selfish or a betrayer. I feel her pain, what she is going through now..

As for Dutta, if someone I love does this to me, it will take a long time for me to even think straight after that. He is not thinking straight. The only difference is that the way I show anger/pain will be different because I am not Dutta..am not a Don or a guy.....I don't understand the logic of locking her up in a room though, but I will comment only after I see the episode when he does that.

I feel both their pain. You cannot compare the love they have for each other. Each person show their love in their own way. That does not mean one loves more or one less. Fate has made them do whatever they have done or whatever they are doing now. Its causing the same pain for both of them. If you are in the giving end or receiving end, the pain is the same here...

I just want them both happy and together where no one else can hurt them..For that to happen, this separation has to happen.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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This is perhaps cutting too fine a line, but there is a difference in my mind.

Look, I think Naku is very human, she's also a good person, with no negative thoughts or desire to hurt others. And that is more than many other people are capable of.

However, the reason I am mad at Naku and NOT Dutta at his reaction is this: Consciousness. Betrayal and anger at it are part of Dutta's fabric. It will be there till he dies, perhaps not to the same extent as now, but on the whole, it will be there. Naku, as the person who so understands him more than he understands himself, was conscious of her mistakes, even while making them. She knew that his Achilles Heel is lies, especially when it comes from women, and yet she prolonged the inevitable and in so doing, ensured that everything blew up in her face and everyone else's.

Dutta does not have that consciousness of self or others. He reacts. Betrayal...lies....secrets...women....a combustible combination for him. Is his reaction bad? From what I've seen, it is more his hurt on display, and he has not treated Naku like an animal. And he should NOT treat her that way. Throw her out or tell her not to show her face to him. And leave it at that. For now, until he has time to think.

It sounds weird, but when I see Dutta's reaction (the hurt, the shock, the anger), I think of it as pure, honest emotion. It had to come out. He should keep the gussa in check though. That is him. When I think about Naku, I feel less sympathetic because she had so many months of consciousness of what she was withholding, what Dutta was beginning to feel for her, and, as the person who "understands" him, how it could open up old wounds.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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ok I have to say something here.This is really a thought-provoking post.I have been reading so many opinions that i feel everyone is right and yet no one wrong..
In my opinion, what Naku did was terribly wrong. There is no rationale for what she did and i was terribly grieved that she went thru the wedding in her dark avatar. The Nakusha I relate to would have somehow found the courage to say the turth even in the last minute and not cheat him all the way till their SR. And that is why i could not truly enjoy the wedding, no matter how beautifully shot, coz it lost its essence for me.
Having said this, I feel really SAD for Nakusha. Because she is suffering and in pain, infact much much more than Datta because she is also guilty here. Yes she deserves it as she brought it on herself because of her stupidity, but I still feel Sad for her because there is repentance in her suffering. And where there is repentance, there should be forgiveness. I mean what is the objective of punishment afterall. It is to instill repentance for yur wrong-doing right?In sups fiasco, though Naku suffered her conscience was clear. But here Naku's guilt is unfathomable..Believe me, yu can find the strength to fight all the sorrows in yur life when yu r a VICTIM but when yu suffer because yu are the SOURCE of yur sorrows to self and the ones yu love, it is plain horrible. She already hated her beauty, now she must be hating her very existence. And she does not know what to do or come over it...I don't know how the CVs plan to potray her feeling, but she must be exxtremely strong to get a grip on herself after all that's happened and still think for Datta
As for Datta ..His initial reaction is acceptable but if he goes on and on i am going to get really bugged. I mean give me a break, here is a guy who takes up Don-giri and kills innocent ppl in the course of his job only because some good-for-nothing woman ditched him..I don't think i can accept person with such an attitude in reality.Forget what Naku did or him..Think abt his personality in general..ok one woman ditched him..so?He still had a family, friend (bhaji) to fall back on(he obv didn't know then that kala hated him). I think Naku also says something to this effect in an earlier episode..she tells him to look at what he has and not keep crying over betrayal...It is time he looks at things in perspective,grows up and accept ppl with their faults just like he has been accepted..And in my opinion, true love(i he has for Naku) should mature him, else what is the point?😕

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