Debate Championship (1): Closed!!! - Page 3

Originally posted by: -xx-Roohani-xx-

[quote=rutumodi915] Similary, Ekta's soaps such as Kutumb 1 and Kanyadaan, which started before Kyunki ended right on time and won a place in everyone's hearts and people applauded the decision of ending it on right time. [/quote] Oh,I think you may be wrong. Specially assuming it was 'everyone's hearts' Kanyadaan- http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Kanyadaan-63585-1.html Kutumb: http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Kutumbh-35706-1.html http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Kutumbh-31207-1.html http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Kutumbh-29137-1.html

Ok yes, maybe, I got the everyone part wrong.

But, if it is about giving links, then go here hun.

http://www.mouthshut.com/product-reviews/Kyunki_Saas_Bhi_Kab hi_Bahu_Thi-925007370.html

I am a little busy right now but will come back to your arguments after a some time. Good arguments though! 😊

Originally posted by: -xx-Roohani-xx-

You keep saying, add reality to the show. But do you really think people would want to watch something with so much reality in it. And even reality shows are not completely real, and that's a fact.

Don't you think the show is a little too unrealistic like kt's rape she got rapped by myank who thinks like a 12 year old and that is just disgusting!Also tulsi has gotten into like 3-4 accidents and she is walking around like nothing happened. Oh yea, who in the world gets merried like 3 times, like so manny people in the show had gotten divorces like 3 times and married 3 times and some of them are still not happy with who their merried with.

First of all, I am really sorry for posting my previous post in black and not blue. I did not realize.

[quote=rutumodi915] Every character was given a unique look and everyone was a delight to look at. [/quote]

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx] You see, when an episode starts, at the beginning it always makes it clear ""All Characters, Places and Events depicted in this serial are purely fictitious and any resemblance to any person living or dead; location or events is purely co-incidental." Kyunki is meant to be all fiction. Ekta never promised showing reality anyways. And fiction is always stretched over the bounds. And no one would watch it if it was all reality. And example of this would be Harry Potter, which is a novel and movie loved my millions of people around the world.

The logo:

http://i8.tinypic.com/6f6u2cy.jpg [/quote]

I think you got me totally wrong. Yes, the characters are indeed fictious and I have nothing against it. And read my post properly. I said that they were a delight to look at. I am saying positive about Kyunki and you are contradicting me 😕. Ajeeb baat hai.

[quote=rutumodi915] people had started saying that Ekta is churning illogical cr*p but people were glued to their favorite characters anyway. [/quote]

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx-] Some people may consider Harry Potter cr*p, but it's so over imaginative. But it is…FICTION!

'Fiction is largely perceived as a form of art and/or entertainment, although not all fiction is necessarily artistic. Fiction may be created for the purpose of educating, such as fictional examples used in school textbooks. Fiction is also frequently used in propaganda and advertising. Fiction may be propagated by parents to their children out of tradition (e.g. Santa Claus) or in order to instill…' source: Wikipedia. [/quote]

Ahem Ahem, let's take this to the HP section and see their reactions! Just kidding. 😆 And, I do know what fiction is and I am an avid fiction fan. But, have you like seen the quality of HP and KSBKBT? Are you actually comparing them? I have no problem with fiction, trust me. But JK Rowling has presented fiction in a way that people get themselves lost in Hogwarts when they read it. Yahan pe to Shaanti-Niketan actually dikhate hai, but I still find it really hard to get lost in SN nagri!

[quote=rutumodi915] It's been about a year since KT, Lakshya, Eklavya, Bhumi, Nakul, Mayank, Manthan, Abir etc made their entry and people are fed up already. People still watch it but the enthusiasm is gone. When the first generation ended, people were left wanting for more. The second generation was full-time entertainment till characters like Meera, Mohini and Tripti were introduced. The charm was starting to go. Now, with KT married to Eklavya, Lakshya's new bride Lakshmi running away, Mayank being totally forgotten, Archita getting married to Abir, [/quote] [/font]

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx-] The story is not about all these people but about Tulsi's right of passage, and these are just foils. The script is going a bit low right now…but that does not mean that it will always remain this way. And don't you think that people would be enthusiastic if Tulsi wants revenge from her Daughter-in-laws in the next few days/weeks? [/quote]

Yes, how innovative. I am going to leave it that.

[quote=rutumodi915] I find it really hard to foresee anything good happening in Kyunki anymore. [/quote]

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx] That is the novelty of Kyunki.If something is so predictable, then where is the excitement and enthusiasm? [/quote]

I don't think your argument is apt for mine. Please read it again as I haven't talked about predictability at all in the text that you have quoted!

[quote=rutumodi915] Everything is becoming really predictable. [/quote]

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx-] ^.Hun, those 2 statements(I find it really…, Everything is…) are contradictory. [/quote]

No hun they don't. I said I can't foresee anything good. I did not say I can't foresee anything. Things are becoming predictable and I don't think they are good things - In simple words, that's what I meant!

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx] Except for fesh faces, it has nothing fresh to offer anymore. [/quote]

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx-] I am very sure that incest on Primetime is defiantly not common, and by that I mean, Abhir and Archita. [/quote]

This argument of yours really saddens me. Maybe, it's a new idea but don't talk as if it is an okay thing. Again, I ahve nothing against fiction but limits have to be drawn everywhere. JKR has written a completely fictional book but she has teen characters in it and so she does not go beyond kissing in the book. Whereas, Kyunki is watched by millions and you are talking about incest? Disappointing!

[quote=rutumodi915] Logic and Balaji hardly go together but the masses are not as stupid as to stay in front of the idiot box, irrespective of what is shown to them. If not now, then a couple years down the line, the Indian TV viewers will definitely be blessed with better choice and Kyunki will go down the drain. With realistic cinema becoming so big, realistic TV is not far either. Reality shows are already a hit and I am sure, there will be soaps of better quality as well. People are tired when they come home and they would rather watch something entertaining than a 70 year old woman fighting for justice. The formula is rotten now. [/quote]

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx] You keep saying, add reality to the show. But do you really think people would want to watch something with so much reality in it. And even reality shows are not completely real, and that's a fact.

And there are many popular novels relating to such matters and have had great success. For example, Lolita-about an old man being sexually obsessed by a teenage girl. Silverwing series- journey of a bat how they can now see the sun. Passions, and emmy-award winning show, which has been on the air since 1999. Another world- a long running soap opera, from 1964-1999.

There are many shows in this world which have and had been on the air for a long time, and once in a while, may loose their charm in-between, but people keep watching for it to make a come-back and it surely does! [/quote]

Again, I have no problem with fiction but boundaries ought to be drawn everywhere. And fiction dikhao, koun na bol raha hai? Agar reality nahi dekhni sabki and people want to get entertained, let's put Smriti as Tulsi as she was 7 years ago, slim and petite. That would be some good fiction, don't you think?

[quote=rutumodi915] Everything that ends at the right time is looked upon with great respect than things that are dragged. For example, Madhuri and Sridevi ended their careers right when they were at top. People were left wanting more out of them. Mithun Chakraborty, who won three national awards, was the most sought after actor of the 80's but once he started growing old, he started to act in B grade films and lost respect in the eyes of every movie-goer. He has made a good comeback now but the love and adulation he received in the eighties has gone. [/quote]

[quote=-xx-Roohani-xx-] How about Amithabh Bachan? He is growing old, acting in low-grade movies. Doing OK acting and coming in small roles. He has also lost respect in many movie-goers eyes. But he is still continuing to act, no matter how good or bad the roles is doing are. So, if he can continue in hopes that he will improve, then why not Kyunki? [/quote]

I hope you are kidding. Are you, for real, bringing Big B in this debate? Low grade movies? Do you mean Nishabd? I don't think you should be saying this, since those movies are fiction also. If you are okay with Virani sons having affair with 3-4 women, incest taking place, what problem do you have with AB having an affair with a young girl and then eventually going back to his family? Yes, he made a mistake but he ended it. HE had feelings for her but he realized her own daughter was more important. So, please be logical when you bring up comparisons like this. And OK acting? Eklavya was ok acting, Nishabd was ok acting, and Black was ok acting? I hope you don't think that way.

Peace!

Originally posted by: measha

Don't you think the show is a little too unrealistic like kt's rape she got rapped by myank who thinks like a 12 year old and that is just disgusting!Also tulsi has gotten into like 3-4 accidents and she is walking around like nothing happened. Oh yea, who in the world gets merried like 3 times, like so manny people in the show had gotten divorces like 3 times and married 3 times and some of them are still not happy with who their merried with.

Hun, first of all, Mayank raping KT was tottaly NOT unrealistic,because there have been many cases where a mentally challenged person with a mind of a '12 year old' has raped someone before. And 12 year children and have also raped someone.I'll show you proof if you'd like. And why should they draw a line when it comes to fiction.It's pure fiction and they are alowd to do anything with it...and if they showed so much reality, what would be the fun in watching it? Also, people DO get remaried more than one time in reality, hopefully you already knew that!And there are many couples who are not happily married and thats a fact, so there...there is reality for you! How is that being 'too realistic'?

Roohani

P.S. Rutu, will reply to urs tomorrow when I have more time.

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[quote=Rutu]I think you got me totally wrong. Yes, the characters are indeed fictious and I have nothing against it. And read my post properly. I said that they were a delight to look at. I am saying positive about Kyunki and you are contradicting me . Ajeeb baat hai.[/quote]

I am sorry...this was meant for someone else =)


[quote]Ahem Ahem, let's take this to the HP section and see their reactions! Just kidding. And, I do know what fiction is and I am an avid fiction fan. But, have you like seen the quality of HP and KSBKBT? Are you actually comparing them? I have no problem with fiction, trust me. But JK Rowling has presented fiction in a way that people get themselves lost in Hogwarts when they read it. Yahan pe to Shaanti-Niketan actually dikhate hai, but I still find it really hard to get lost in SN nagri! [/quote]

Haha. I am definatly not comparing the quality of HP and Kyunki.But simply stating that they are both fiction, and a diffrent kinds of fiction. But what I was trying to say was...if HP can be so unreal,then why not Kyunki? HP is like a fantasy in which you are meant to get lost, but I am pretty sure that Kyunki was not made for the same purpose.So,as I mentioned before,I was only trying to compare the broadness of fiction, not the quality or intent. 😊


[quote]No hun they don't. I said I can't foresee anything good. I did not say I can't foresee anything. Things are becoming predictable and I don't think they are good things - In simple words, that's what I meant![/quote]

Actually,I still belive that they are.Because you said you can't forsee anything good happening.But what if something good does happen? Then wouldn't your statements be contradictory? Because you really don't don't know if something good or bad will happen. It's not like you know exactly what's going to happen,right? So..first you say that you can't see anything good happening, then you say it's predictible.If you can't see anything good happening, how is that predictible? 😛


[quote]This argument of yours really saddens me. Maybe, it's a new idea but don't talk as if it is an okay thing. Again, I ahve nothing against fiction but limits have to be drawn everywhere. JKR has written a completely fictional book but she has teen characters in it and so she does not go beyond kissing in the book. Whereas, Kyunki is watched by millions and you are talking about incest? Disappointing![/quote]

Yes,I was simply stating that it was something NEW, because you said that there is NOTHING fresh anymore, so I was just stating that there is.And I do not think that incest is nessecerily WRONG either,btw. Yes,since the characters in HP are all teens, it was best for her to leave it at kissing.But in Kyunki, the people are in thier 20s,30s,40,50s etc when they start dealing with such issues.And plus, Ekta likes to deal with real issues in this world,and that is one of them.And HP is not the only book I pinpointed, Lolita - is there too. And even though it is an internationally acclaimed novel, aimed for young adults/teens,it too talks about sex and that also between an old man and a young girl.

[quote]Again, I have no problem with fiction but boundaries ought to be drawn everywhere. And fiction dikhao, koun na bol raha hai? Agar reality nahi dekhni sabki and people want to get entertained, let's put Smriti as Tulsi as she was 7 years ago, slim and petite. That would be some good fiction, don't you think? [/quote]

Why do you keep saying that there should be a line drawn when it comes to fiction? If you ask me,if Kyunki has crossed the line then Harry Potter has soooooooo crossed the line.And plus,why make boundries when it comes to fiction?It's something from ones imagination...and shouldn't we let our imaginations run wild?Why limit our imaginations? And They tell teens to think "out of the box" so shouldn't it truly be the writer's wish to decide how much he/she wants to think out of the box? Why should we try to limit other's imagination too?



[quote]I hope you are kidding. Are you, for real, bringing Big B in this debate? Low grade movies? Do you mean Nishabd? I don't think you should be saying this, since those movies are fiction also. If you are okay with Virani sons having affair with 3-4 women, incest taking place, what problem do you have with AB having an affair with a young girl and then eventually going back to his family? Yes, he made a mistake but he ended it. HE had feelings for her but he realized her own daughter was more important. So, please be logical when you bring up comparisons like this. And OK acting? Eklavya was ok acting, Nishabd was ok acting, and Black was ok acting? I hope you don't think that way.[/quote]

I most definatly was not kidding! 😛 And I was not talking about the actual movie and it's story.But don't you think he is getting to old for some of the roles he is doing? For example,Boom,KANK & Nishabd? And how about his cameo in JBJ.He did not look good or gracefull at all.So he can continue on in hopes that he will do better,why can't Kyunki? 😉

-Roohani

I am not quoting anything because I mess up all the colors somehow. 😭

Well, let's begin with the whole definition of fiction. Yes, Mr. Wikipedia is right. Fiction should be let to run wild.

And, I agree that you gave more examples than HP. Lolita really does have adulterated content and so do many other books. But, the content in these books has been presented very very artistically and unfortunately, art is something that Kyunki lacks now-a-days. And these books, I am sure you can't read till you are of a certain age. My brother is 10 years old and I am sure he won't understand a word out of that book but he surely does understand Kyunki.

TV is a very important medium and is open to everyone irrespective of age or gender and that is why, I am talking about putting a boundary. The characters are indeed adults but the viewers are all adults? I fear not. Whenever I have a child, I would most certainly not want him/her to watch these soaps, whether it is Kyunki or any other.

About this, "If you can't see anything good happening, how is that predictible?" That is because since I can't see anything good happening, I see something bad happening in future which is predicting, you see! And of course, I don't know everything but debate is after all about personal opinion and all I was doing was giving my personal opinion. I was not making a statement.

And about Amitabh Bachchan, he is a sweetheart IMO. Boom was a mistake that he admitted to. The role in Nishabd was not bad at all. I admire him for his versatility and his energy at this age. His cameo in JBJ may not have appealed to everyone but the admirers weren't less either. And, for every Boom by Amitji, there is a Black! And his roles may not have been appreciated but his acting never went unnoticed. So, it would be wrong to say that he does okay acting.

Entertainment business is meant to entertain us and absorb us in the fictional world. Again, I am stating I am no opposer of fiction, but a fan instead. Now, let's take Hum Paanch as an example. How real was that? Not much, I believe. But did we constantly question the fiction in it? No, because it was enjoyable. Maybe, you will say that was a comedy. So, let's take Kora Kagaz or Saans. These soaps were more closer to reality (in spite of having the fiction disclaimer at the start) but even when they showed unreal stuff, people never questioned it because they were immersed in the story and narration. But now Kyunki is at a stage where people are constantly questioning it and this is causing the downfall.

And gaining TRPs is not all there is to success. People need to appreciate it. If 10 people watch Kyunki, and 6 people say that it was crappy today, I don't think Balaji has achieved anything worthwhile by that.

Hence, they should give a glorious end to Kyunki!