Pragya: The same jobless girl after 20 years - Page 2

I didn’t realize you will be called lazy if you chose raising family as a career ,didn’t realize it’s very easy to raise a family with values and only lazy people chose to do that?wow amazing thought process involved here.I am a physician with 3 kids in US and it is walk on a cake working as a physician but extremely hard raising a family with values.So I don’t agree with your input but you are free to your conclusions in your life by all means.Equating money and power to empowerment is nonsensical but that’s my opinion.Lets not equate westernization to modernization and progressive.Westernization is as regressive as it gets why Becca women here are self absorbed in themselves.

Originally posted by: Sanathana123

I didn’t realize you will be called lazy if you chose raising family as a career ,didn’t realize it’s very easy to raise a family with values and only lazy people chose to do that?wow amazing thought process involved here.I am a physician with 3 kids in US and it is walk on a cake working as a physician but extremely hard raising a family with values.So I don’t agree with your input but you are free to your conclusions in your life by all means.Equating money and power to empowerment is nonsensical but that’s my opinion.Lets not equate westernization to modernization and progressive.Westernization is as regressive as it gets why Becca women here are self absorbed in themselves.

Quote: "It's not women empowerment but lazy and regressive writing to show women conforming to traditional societal norms of not working and being a stay-at-home sanskaari type woman."

The writing is what I called lazy and regressive.... not pragya. Geez at least interpret comments properly before jumping on to people, And it's 100% true too given that it is lazy writing to always write female character as stay-at-home women considering ITV seem to lack the creativity to show women within employment and in strong roles. Writing that isn't creating and so unoriginal/ stereotypical is in fact lazy.

Like I've said numerous times now... I'm done seeing the same portrayal of women on indian tv and there needs to be more portrayals of women the way they are, not just mothers, wives and daughter-in-laws. Lazy is the last word I would use when thinking of housewives considering my own mother was a house wife only till 6 years before when she finally decided she was sick of sitting home when all the house chores were done and like all housewives she slugged her ass off at home.

I think you should stay away from commenting on my "thought process" because your reply to me is not only completely defensive but bordering on rude towards me simply because you think I'm insulting stay-at-home women. Secondly all your replies to me seem like you think I'm trying to say that empowerment is about showing off money and power (your words specifically) when I've said it over and over again that female empowerment is about showing women as independent, capable, skilled and not being tied down to old societal norms of staying at home and only maintaining relationships like indian serials always show women should be like. If you look at my comments, you'll see this is what I have said, and nowhere have I said pragya is lazy. Even the people who have said she was a teacher have said they barely even showed her teaching and stopped mentioning or showing she was a teacher in the show. I've watched this show for ages yet had no idea pragya had an actual job. Why? Because as usual the female lead having a career is not discussed at all or shown, as she's always in the kitchen or being humiliated no matter how good she is.

Sorry if I'm sick of seeing indian serials only showing women all day long being shown in the kitchen or engaged in kitchen politics to try and be the perfect DIL, mother and wife, which is in no way an empowering portrayal of women, but is the same old traditional view of women that evades from showing women taking on the type of career roles they do now. So given the numerous pragya's that exist on indian tv being their perfect selves yet still not being appreciated, being humiliated and having no jobs or real independence, no I do not feel raising a family with values has anything to do with female empowerment, as that is a role women have been expected to solely devote their lives to since the dawn of time.

Lol so it is lazy and regressive writing if they show women as stay at home .Lets say a woman works in a day care taking care of kids would that be empowerment instead of taking care of her own kids ?I think yes from what you are saying Because now she is out of house making money eventhough job description is same and she is empowered. I am sick and tired of this regressive thought process and no it’s not directed against you it’s against the ideology of negativity against family oriented women vs career oriented.And I do not expect you to understand anything I said because we are at two completely different wavelengths

Originally posted by: Sanathana123

Lol so it is lazy and regressive writing if they show women as stay at home .Lets say a woman works in a day care taking care of kids would that be empowerment instead of taking care of her own kids ?I think yes from what you are saying Because now she is out of house making money eventhough job description is same and she is empowered. I am sick and tired of this regressive thought process and no it’s not directed against you it’s against the ideology of negativity against family oriented women vs career oriented.And I do not expect you to understand anything I said because we are at two completely different wavelengths

I guess I need to repeat the same thing 10 times now. It is in fact lazy and regressive writing, because they write every female lead in the same way, with no originality, the same conforming their female leads to traditional societal norms. This whole post was made in criticism of the repetitive portrayal of women in ITV as nothing but sanskaari and maahan mothers, daughters and wives and how ITV fails to show women as anything but, yet somehow you turned this into a debate that is anything but addressing this repetitive portrayal.

Btw how is it regressive, in your words to speak negatively against family oriented women vs career oriented? By definition, to be regressive or to regress is to fall back to an old or lesser state/ situation, with women having no careers and only restricted to raising family and household duties being the older notion held by society, and the newer and current being women juggling both a career and household duties. Regressive is the wrong and quite a contradictory term to use for questioning old societal norms that have dictated the way society thinks women should be.

I've said it and I'll say it again, the sanskaari stay at home woman on ITV has been done and dusted to an infinity to the point that it gives female audience the impression that is how women should be as that is the only way they are portrayed. Variety in female portrayals and female empowerment is the need of the hour in terms of content for ITV. Pragya and all those other female leads like her on ITV are in fact a regressive and repetitive portrayal of women that has been overdone, hence why I said earlier that it is lazy to write women like this.

other angle is career oriented are non sanskari like they shown alia

can't they show little realistic?

I expect women to be shown as financially independent as well being able to take care of her family and family values. Its very simple.

Originally posted by: poiu123

I expect women to be shown as financially independent as well being able to take care of her family and family values. Its very simple.

yeh but then every human had some good n less thing in them.. no can be perfect

Originally posted by: Marathi_Mulgi

other angle is career oriented are non sanskari like they shown alia

can't they show little realistic?

Very true. Modern women in indian serials are all cheap and characterless vamps. What a brillant way to demonise modern women.

There are many women who manage a career and home successfully. We want to see some examples on TV. But we only get to see sanskari bahus who are at home as if career oriented and ambitious women are non sanskaris.

In ekta land there are 3 types of women . Rich , poor and grandmothers and mothers type..mothers swing between good bad evil mean or anything..poor heroines are brainless , impulsive , sanskari types but always fall for the rich guys. They are the victim of all plannings ...... They may have careers but their time goes in kitchen politics and the drama happening in the house . The rich women are arrogant brattish vamps and constantly plotting.

I dont find her portrayal of women as regressive but its totally unrealistic and highly degrading . Are poor girls only sanskari and rich and modern dont hold any values ? in 19th or 20th century also women were not like this i am sure . Raising a family and kids is not regressive but thats far from what ekta heroines actually are. My grudge is that they are never "smart " . They are always shown dumb ..Even if she shows career oriented women ,ekta wants to focus on their domestic life only . No matter how good they handle their careers and home , they are a failure coz vamps always manage to fool them and take control of their life !

Empowerment comes in being smart ,sensible, sensitive , able to take your own decisions , not let anyone walk over you and live your life on your terms... ..at home or at the workplace . Its not like ekta doesnt know the meaning of it . I have seen her web series and they are far far far better in terms of portrayal of women . Its her daily soaps n frankly i am sick n tired of it all..we need a revolution where this needs to stop ..its not even entertainment now.