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Posted: 11 years ago
#31

@TM: Your topic title is bang on!

Like the saying, "All roads lead to Rome," the current tamasha is solely to kick-start Abhiya romance.

Sarla has the heart-attack she's always threatening to have, so that Abhi can do his sassuma- seva which will make Pragya think he's a great guy after all and she can safely fall for him.

Their love story could have begun in a more sensible way (Isn't this based on Sense and Sensibility?) but Ekta had to be melodramatic..runaway groom, reluctant other woman, spitting mad bride, blameless wife, suspicious husband, cunning girlfriend et al.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: -Tia-

Is the plot ridiculous? Of course!

Ekta has stated something in the lines of... she doesn't intend to make intelligent soaps for intelligent soap craving audience. She means it, of course.

Having said that, one's intelligence does not correlate with what they want to watch for entertainment. I know this guy who is an internationally acclaimed professional in his field but loves Govinda movies and dozes off if forced to watch intelligent cinema!

But I just wanna say something about Pragya, staying with in the soap.

Pragya did not force Purab to marry Aaliyah. Initially she tried to tell him otherwise. But when he made a decision to marry, she stood by that. Pragya never places "love" above commitments and family. That's why when Purab disappeared after completing 90% of the pre- wedding rituals, she did not appreciate it. Moreover, Purab had hopped out of one mantap into another. Abandoning a family (Mehras) at the mantap and marrying a girl without even telling her parents (BB-Sarla) are not the most honorable things to do. Pragya was only telling Purab that. She was not forcing him to get back to the wedding mantap and marry Aaliyah. She was questioning his hasty decisions.



After reading this post of yours I agree Tia. This is how I view Pragya but I felt we were seeing flaws galore in yesterday's episode. Pragya as usual keeping the truth from everyone, Bulbul makin' it clear to Purab that being w/him in the romantic sense is definately not one of her top priorities, seeing a side of Purab that I never saw before w/him dragging Bulbul to the mandap (I don't know if this action of his is a negative foreshadowing). I won't get into this not so pleasant foreshadowing but anyway this is all that's comin' to my mind w/your post Tia. I feel at this point of the show, I don't have that much t contribute outside of sayin' that I'm worried about it 😆.


Edited by edabella - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: Laila2009

The viewer was pointing out the ridiculous practice of telling people to leave a show if they find ridiculous loopholes. THat is not an opinion but a practice I have seen on this forum for the past 5 years.



I invite you and any others who feel this way to understand this "practice you have seen for 5 years" not as some kind of automatic move to shutdown conversations, but rather as an empathetic response to a fellow human with a problem. When someone makes a post expressing frustration about the show, describing why the twists in the story are bothering and upsetting them, the empathetic response for others who don't agree with them is to suggest a solution for the original poster's pain. The better solution might be for the show to somehow improve itself, the the easiest solution is simply to stop consuming that which upsets you.

No one's going to make you stop watching the show, and you have every right to post your criticism and frustration. And by "you" I don't mean just you specifically, but anyone who might be feeling annoyed with the show these days. Ultimately it is an individual's choice to take the suggestion "stop watching the show if you don't enjoy it" as an expression of hostility when it can easily be taken as an expression of good will. The logic of this suggestion is generally, stop watching, stop hating; you'll be happier, and we'll be happier that you won't be in pain.

Or, don't stop watching, don't stop posting, it's totally up to you. Someone suggesting that you would be better off not watching the show does not in and of itself make it impossible to continue critical conversations.

If someone added lots of rude words to the effect of "get off the forum and don't ever criticize the show," that is a different story. But someone simply telling you that you won't have these headaches if you don't watch the show? They just don't want you to have headaches.

Or in other words, you are welcome to point out ridiculous loopholes and to disagree vocally with prevailing opinions. But in the same manner, others are free to let you know of the easiest solution to your distress.
Edited by -mina- - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#34
Great Post Laila.
Just another ridiculous Ekta show, why am I not surprised. Always the same nonsensical sacrificing among characters. A script that only makes sense to her and her team.
I only patronize this show now, while waiting on the one that follows it on Zee. It is only a matter of time, before I watch something else while waiting.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: sindu_gurti


bingo laila...i thought of giving some time to pragya..but today she crossed her limits...who and why the hell to force purab..why should purab worry about aliya/pragya/sarla...that old women needs to have some brains...if she is tender why should purab pay for., just for loving that selfish bulbul...wow., what a love...and what a new concept about marriage...purab should slap pragya and throw bulbul out of his life..i feel aliya is better than these two...



Thank you. A good mother ALWAYS makes her home open to her daughter after marriage. She always lets her know that if ANYTHING is wrong that she can come home, no questions asked. That's the reason why so many women suffer in bad marriages - the family is never there to support them. Its always about izzat. Today it is about health.

No slapping please 😕 We really need to stop supporting that it is OK to slap women even if they do wrong.
Edited by Laila2009 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: -Tia-

Is the plot ridiculous? Of course!

Ekta has stated something in the lines of... she doesn't intend to make intelligent soaps for intelligent soap craving audience. She means it, of course.

Having said that, one's intelligence does not correlate with what they want to watch for entertainment. I know this guy who is an internationally acclaimed professional in his field but loves Govinda movies and dozes off if forced to watch intelligent cinema!

But I just wanna say something about Pragya, staying with in the soap.

Pragya did not force Purab to marry Aaliyah. Initially she tried to tell him otherwise. But when he made a decision to marry, she stood by that. Pragya never places "love" above commitments and family. That's why when Purab disappeared after completing 90% of the pre- wedding rituals, she did not appreciate it. Moreover, Purab had hopped out of one mantap into another. Abandoning a family (Mehras) at the mantap and marrying a girl without even telling her parents (BB-Sarla) are not the most honorable things to do. Pragya was only telling Purab that. She was not forcing him to get back to the wedding mantap and marry Aaliyah. She was questioning his hasty decisions.


While Pragya may not have done this directly, she still emotionally blackmailed him and insisted that what did wrong was going to impact her mother. Additionally, her own sister had given up the man she loved so she could continue with this ridiculous marriage. As a sister how can she stay in a marriage that is a complete sham while her own sister has to sacrifice the man she loves? Granted Purab walking out on a marriage is not the best but let me ask you this, is it right for him to have gone through with the marriage even though he never loved Aliya and would spend the rest of his life ruined? He had ONLY agreed to this marriage to please her sister and to save her joke of a marriage which would not have been saved EVEN if he had gone through with this marriage.

There is NO dialogue of concern for Purab's sacrifice for her - only constant blaming of Purab. HIs life was going to be sacrificed to save her and she showed NO sign of appreciation and in today's episode she admitted that she was going to bring him back to the wedding mandap and leave her sister for Aliya. Why?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: -mina-



I invite you and any others who feel this way to understand this "practice you have seen for 5 years" not as some kind of automatic move to shutdown conversations, but rather as an empathetic response to a fellow human with a problem. When someone makes a post expressing frustration about the show, describing why the twists in the story are bothering and upsetting them, the empathetic response for others who don't agree with them is to suggest a solution for the original poster's pain. The better solution might be for the show to somehow improve itself, the the easiest solution is simply to stop consuming that which upsets you.

No one's going to make you stop watching the show, and you have every right to post your criticism and frustration. And by "you" I don't mean just you specifically, but anyone who might be feeling annoyed with the show these days. Ultimately it is an individual's choice to take the suggestion "stop watching the show if you don't enjoy it" as an expression of hostility when it can easily be taken as an expression of good will. The logic of this suggestion is generally, stop watching, stop hating; you'll be happier, and we'll be happier that you won't be in pain.

Or, don't stop watching, don't stop posting, it's totally up to you. Someone suggesting that you would be better off not watching the show does not in and of itself make it impossible to continue critical conversations.

If someone added lots of rude words to the effect of "get off the forum and don't ever criticize the show," that is a different story. But someone simply telling you that you won't have these headaches if you don't watch the show? They just don't want you to have headaches.

Or in other words, you are welcome to point out ridiculous loopholes and to disagree vocally with prevailing opinions. But in the same manner, others are free to let you know of the easiest solution to your distress.


And you are entitled to that opinion to chose to remain silent and say nothing. You could have even done this on my thread but you still chose to come here and write lengthy posts in response to my post. Rather than agree or disagree with it, you came here to argue with him and tell me to stop watching the show as the "best" solution. What if I told you that this is the PARTICULAR part of the show that I do not like?

Ever watched the show US Breaking Bad? You should. Many people LOVED that show but they were highly critical of the wife of the lead character. No-one told them to stop watching the show. The writers actually worked at improving the character because they cared what the fans thought. EK might not, but that should NOT stop anyone from speaking up and NO-ONE should be attacked with the response of "do not watch the show." That unfortunately is not an opinion but what I deem to be a callous form of disrespect. The person is not in pain etc.

As an adult, I can decide WHEN I am ready to stop watching a show. I am not a 5 year old that I don't know that I can stop watching a show. I think I know that option is available to me. And when I want to stop, I will. In the meantime, as a viewer the show entertains me enough to continue to watch but at the same time it can frustrate me with its stupidity. A person can have BOTH and viewers should learn to respect that this is possible.

And yes, it is ALL up to me to decide to say what I want and express how I feel.

I will reporting any posts in the future that attempt to advise me to stop watching a show. I find that to be very offensive and actually a passive aggressive approach of getting a viewer to stop criticizing their favorite show. If the viewer cannot handle it, then here is my advise, do not read my posts.


Edited by Laila2009 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: Hillylove

Great Post Laila.

Just another ridiculous Ekta show, why am I not surprised. Always the same nonsensical sacrificing among characters. A script that only makes sense to her and her team.
I only patronize this show now, while waiting on the one that follows it on Zee. It is only a matter of time, before I watch something else while waiting.


Thank you so much. Unfortunately when you point these things out to viewers they get all fired up and ask you to stop watching the show without realizing the justification for such practices gives you a weak story line. A show can be fun and while Abhi and Pragya make a fun jodi to watch, the writers are killing the storyline by ruining Pragya. HOpefully if they read the posts on this forum enough times they will see the viewers voicing the same opinions and will do something to salvage their storyline...at least that is what I call wishful thinking.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#39
Hey Laila: So good to run into you after a long time on IF. Bang on post! I concur with you.

Unfortunately, it is a real practice here on KB forum and other sections too to suppress a viewpoint if it is constructively critical about a certain track and differs from the prevailing majority viewpoint. It may also be the result of some viewers not being able to differentiate between their love for the actor and the character played by them.

I posted something similar about the writing quality of KB and was advised to take it easy, not to watch the show or asked, "Why am I watching the show in the first place?". Crazy, Isn't it? But ,some member feel it is their prerogative to say that in the name of saying that they don't want to see us in pain. Come on, no one is in pain watching fictional shows on TV. At least, most reasonable people understand the difference between reel and real life.

Here is the link to that thread where I also posted my reply. Of course,

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/kumkum-bhagya/4095322/hypnotism-oh-ms-kapoor-you-and-your-juvenile-stories-dt-note-pg-2?pn=2

Anyways, since then I visit the forum but usually post sparingly. But, I couldn't stop myself from replying to your post.

The appalling thing is that the whole point of IF is to promote discussion as long as the actors are not bashed. Additionally, I feel that just because a show is no. 1 or no.2 on the TRP charts does not mean it is without flaws. KB is an excellent example of the same.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: Laila2009


And you are entitled to that opinion to chose to remain silent and say nothing. You could have even done this on my thread but you still chose to come here and write lengthy posts in response to my post. Rather than agree or disagree with it, you came here to argue with him and tell me to stop watching the show as the "best" solution. What if I told you that this is the PARTICULAR part of the show that I do not like?

Ever watched the show US Breaking Bad? You should. Many people LOVED that show but they were highly critical of the wife of the lead character. No-one told them to stop watching the show. The writers actually worked at improving the character because they cared what the fans thought. EK might not, but that should NOT stop anyone from speaking up and NO-ONE should be attacked with the response of "do not watch the show." That unfortunately is not an opinion but what I deem to be a callous form of disrespect. The person is not in pain etc.

As an adult, I can decide WHEN I am ready to stop watching a show. I am not a 5 year old that I don't know that I can stop watching a show. I think I know that option is available to me. And when I want to stop, I will. In the meantime, as a viewer the show entertains me enough to continue to watch but at the same time it can frustrate me with its stupidity. A person can have BOTH and viewers should learn to respect that this is possible.

And yes, it is ALL up to me to decide to say what I want and express how I feel.

I will reporting any posts in the future that attempt to advise me to stop watching a show. I find that to be very offensive and actually a passive aggressive approach of getting a viewer to stop criticizing their favorite show. If the viewer cannot handle it, then here is my advise, do not watch the show.




Absolutely correct 👏👏👏 There is complete groupism and favoritism in most of the forums of IF.

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