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Posted: 11 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: Laila2009



Exactly, but tragically, there are A LOT of ignorant, naive and gulliable viewers who think this makes sense and the shows are catered for them, not the intelligent ones here venting at the obvious and frustrated that a semi-decent show is getting ruined AGAIN>


I like watching this show on TV. That does not make me an ignorant ,naive or gullible viewer. And I fail to understand howdoes venting at the obvious , or calling the show ruined make someone "intelligent".
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42
The story (if the plot can be called a story) lacks logic. The characters lack characteristics and their actions lack logic. I fail to see any logic in the 2 sisters actions. What are the sisters trying to achieve with the purab-Aliya marriage. How can Bulbul throw purab at Aliya. Aliya just need a lesson at life not a hubby toy. Maybe I can understand it a bit about pragya staying with an abusive man to protect her mom. That's the only thing I can understand about Pragya. Abhi - not sure if he can be called a character. He is a weak, shallow character with very low intelligence. Even the girls mom act like a dumbo, she has witnessed enough of her dhamat to know she needs to save her daughter NOW. Who stands and watch a dhamat throwing her daughter like a bag of potatoes back and forth in the name of dance and she thinks all is fine. The only character in the show that makes sense in this whole show is Purab. EK should stop creating shows and stories with characters that belong to the 19th century. Though I love the other EK show which is based on the book Custody. I gave this EK show a try because I loved the other one.I was shocked beyond reason at a show showing an abusive male lead who has an affair while being married and a wife still staring at the abusive guy mesmerised every other day. This show is definitely not my cup of tea, just wanted to share my opinion as I came across this very interesting post lol.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: Mohini19

Hey Laila: So good to run into you after a long time on IF. Bang on post! I concur with you.

Unfortunately, it is a real practice here on KB forum and other sections too to suppress a viewpoint if it is constructively critical about a certain track and differs from the prevailing majority viewpoint. It may also be the result of some viewers not being able to differentiate between their love for the actor and the character played by them.

I posted something similar about the writing quality of KB and was advised to take it easy, not to watch the show or asked, "Why am I watching the show in the first place?". Crazy, Isn't it? But ,some member feel it is their prerogative to say that in the name of saying that they don't want to see us in pain. Come on, no one is in pain watching fictional shows on TV. At least, most reasonable people understand the difference between reel and real life.

Here is the link to that thread where I also posted my reply. Of course,

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/kumkum-bhagya/4095322/hypnotism-oh-ms-kapoor-you-and-your-juvenile-stories-dt-note-pg-2?pn=2

Anyways, since then I visit the forum but usually post sparingly. But, I couldn't stop myself from replying to your post.

The appalling thing is that the whole point of IF is to promote discussion as long as the actors are not bashed. Additionally, I feel that just because a show is no. 1 or no.2 on the TRP charts does not mean it is without flaws. KB is an excellent example of the same.



Thank you! And excellent post by the way!

And good to see you too. We have a huge problem with this on all forums and I do not know why IF does not put this up as part of the rules that people are not allowed to respond with this nonsense. I often find it from people as you have described. It's there way of saying that we are helping you by advising you not to watch the show...but in essence 10/10 it is the fan of the show who wants to shut the criticism up.

I too do not post as often as I used too - life gets busy and the novelty wears off (plus the people who used to post whom I liked have been banned or have voluntarily left).
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
Well, thank you for making this post.. It says exactly what I've been feeling for a long long time now.
The show has such good or perhaps decent actors who could pull it off, if dealt with sensibly.

However, there's some serious problem in the writing department. The characters aren't defined yet.. Pragya swings from being a mature professor and daughter to being an illogical person who knows the consequences of the sham of her marriage. And Abhi! He's planning and plotting against her and yet we, expect him to redeem himself once the truth is out. I agree, that's an eye opener for him, but will Pragya and her family ever be able to forget and forgive him for what how he intended to humiliate his own wife, whilst blinded by love for his vampy sister. On second thoughts, of course, she will!

Firstly, i feel some tracks such as BB-Purab were rushed.. We never got to witness the depth of their relationship, if I may call it that and hence it seems as though Purab is being made the sacrificial lamb here..
Though that's a different story altogether. I fail to understand the logic behind Pragya and Bulbul's decisions to get Purab married to Aliya, despite all 3 knowing her true colours. Isn't it obvious that she's a crazy woman who will kick Pragya out, make everyone else's lives hell once this marriage happens..

Whatever!! I watch the show since I really like the actors, who're probably putting in their best, but the lack of logic turns me off.. I hope that improves in the near future, else I'll be forced to be content with just reading the WU's..

Sorry, if I ranted.. And I don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings here..
So spare me moral policing please..
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: Laila2009

As an adult, I can decide WHEN I am ready to stop watching a show. I am not a 5 year old that I don't know that I can stop watching a show. I think I know that option is available to me. And when I want to stop, I will. In the meantime, as a viewer the show entertains me enough to continue to watch but at the same time it can frustrate me with its stupidity. A person can have BOTH and viewers should learn to respect that this is possible.


And yes, it is ALL up to me to decide to say what I want and express how I feel.

I will reporting any posts in the future that attempt to advise me to stop watching a show. I find that to be very offensive and actually a passive aggressive approach of getting a viewer to stop criticizing their favorite show. If the viewer cannot handle it, then here is my advise, do not read my posts.



Fair point; telling you to stop watching the show doesn't engage with your frustrations and isn't a useful point of conversation. It does stifle discussion and it can create a climate of hostility. I don't see why that means people shouldn't be allowed to tell you so, but I can see why people shouldn't tell you so.

But ultimately I don't really understand why you expect the show to make sense? I know honestly speaking that makes me sound idiotic, but I am the kind of person who is willing to accept a lot from any given status quo. In this case, I tend to write off a lot of illogical characterization & writing as part and parcel of this genre. It doesn't bother me so I don't understand why it bothers other people. I would like to understand, though. Thoughts?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: -mina-



Fair point; telling you to stop watching the show doesn't engage with your frustrations and isn't a useful point of conversation. It does stifle discussion and it can create a climate of hostility. I don't see why that means people shouldn't be allowed to tell you so, but I can see why people shouldn't tell you so.

But ultimately I don't really understand why you expect the show to make sense? I know honestly speaking that makes me sound idiotic, but I am the kind of person who is willing to accept a lot from any given status quo. In this case, I tend to write off a lot of illogical characterization & writing as part and parcel of this genre. It doesn't bother me so I don't understand why it bothers other people. I would like to understand, though. Thoughts?


Why not? Why should it not make sense? Because you have chosen to accept what you have received is the reason why the writers, production team and the whole of Indian television will never feel the need to change. Because you do not voice your opinion it will never happen. Again, you are subtly telling me as a viewer that because YOU have accepted things as they are, that should be the way to go? RIGHT. Same nonsense as telling me to not watch the show? We are all DIFFERENT.

Now, I am not here to discuss or defend WHY I chose to watch a show and WHY I do choose to challenge the illogical storyline put forth. We are here to discuss the show. For you it is fine, so for you there is nothing left to discuss? Right. So enjoy the show and respect that others are not wiling to be complacent as yourself. Have a GREAT day :-)
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: Fantasia_junkie

Well, thank you for making this post.. It says exactly what I've been feeling for a long long time now.

The show has such good or perhaps decent actors who could pull it off, if dealt with sensibly.

However, there's some serious problem in the writing department. The characters aren't defined yet.. Pragya swings from being a mature professor and daughter to being an illogical person who knows the consequences of the sham of her marriage. And Abhi! He's planning and plotting against her and yet we, expect him to redeem himself once the truth is out. I agree, that's an eye opener for him, but will Pragya and her family ever be able to forget and forgive him for what how he intended to humiliate his own wife, whilst blinded by love for his vampy sister. On second thoughts, of course, she will!

Firstly, i feel some tracks such as BB-Purab were rushed.. We never got to witness the depth of their relationship, if I may call it that and hence it seems as though Purab is being made the sacrificial lamb here..
Though that's a different story altogether. I fail to understand the logic behind Pragya and Bulbul's decisions to get Purab married to Aliya, despite all 3 knowing her true colours. Isn't it obvious that she's a crazy woman who will kick Pragya out, make everyone else's lives hell once this marriage happens..

Whatever!! I watch the show since I really like the actors, who're probably putting in their best, but the lack of logic turns me off.. I hope that improves in the near future, else I'll be forced to be content with just reading the WU's..

Sorry, if I ranted.. And I don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings here..
So spare me moral policing please..


Thank you for your appreciation of the post. Your comment (in bold) is an understatement 😆

You are spot on with your observations. Pragya was presented as a strong, pragmatic woman who would stand her ground. However, what ruined her character was the night she escaped and was determined not to disclose to anyone the horrors of her marriage. I would have MUCH rather the writers spent some time and come up with a better reason for her decision to stay and that was to protect BulBul.

Her decision NOT to pust Bulbul and Purab together was ultimately to protect her from what someone as pwoerful as Abhi could do to her. That's at least some decent rationale for her sacrifice. While she is married to Abhi, she at least tries to figure a way to bring them together...but none of this...

And I agree, the Purab and Bulbul romance was VERY rushed. I personally see ZERO chemistry between them. These two NEVER dated or were shown having a conversation. She was a Horrifically RUDE employee and completely embarassing. I cannot even figure out what she did in the office.

Sometimes I do not know if the writers are the problem are the actress just plays it Over the top.

I like the actors and the scenes between Pragya and Abhi have kept me entertained but the plot and the poor characterizations are killing the show and the writers need to pull it together before they end up kiiling their show.

What are you asking forgiveness for? Expressing an opinion? Do you see anyone of those people who tell us to not watch the show or accept the illogical nature of it feeling bad for posting? NO, so don't you feel bad either.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48
To Mina & Laila. Gosh, I wish I had more time on my hands because I feel I could kinda go & on on regards to your different viewpoints but I stand quite neutral here 😆. I can't say I dislike the show at present but I am worried about in terms of the future of it, partly because I noticed that every Ekta work on Zee tends to not have such a good fate after all & I am hoping KB ends up goin' in the opposite direction. Also, I wonder if the CV's are goin' about the plot the way they have been in the last few episodes at least partly due to them not wanting Rabul to be endgame. I am just throwing this thought out here, lol.

As for the watching a show or not, I feel it's up to the viewer as to whether they want to watch the show or not regardless of whether they like it or not & it's upto one as a viewer to decide what will seriously make them quite watchin' the show & if they'll quit watchin' it

I am also not that big of a Rabul fan. Like I don't see that much greatness w/them. Outside of the fact that they look good together to look at in one frame, I just don't see much & looking good together is not enough for me. Heck, even Dev & Radika from "Choti Bahu 1 & 2" looked good together to look at in one frame but they are definately not one of my favorite onscreen couples. First Bulbul would habitually assume Purab to be quite cheap & say what ever negative thing hat was goin' through her head about him to his face despite the fact that he's her boss & not long after they realize there love for eachother, she is willing to throw him under the bus by refusing to to be w/him & telling him to be with another woman's husband. Anyways, Friday's episode proved that Purab is willing to go to great lengths for Bulbul but she won't go to great lengths for him. She go to great length for other people like her mom and sister for example but not for him. It's no wonder why my sister says Purab is to good for both Aliya & Purab. At least with Abhya, I can't seriously say either Abhi or Pragya is too good for the other. Anyways, it's better if Bulbul is like this now rather than later on the show. I really wanna see her character grow. I remember w/one of Ekta's older Zee shows, "Kasam Se", the second sister, Pia was overall less flawed but then she didn't really grow as a character for most of the show, instead she became worse, in fact she turned into a villainous, s**tty character. It was sickening really. So Since the CV's have already started out w/Bulbul being more flawed well I can only hope her character goes in the opposite direction & becomes an overall more positive character who not just thinks she's helping out but who actually ends up seriously helping out

BTW, no offense to Rabul fans. I am just being honest in this post. I don't know about Bulbul. I tend to not show her as much sympathy & I sympathize more w/the men who fall for this girl- Purab & Suresh 😭.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: Laila2009


Thank you for your appreciation of the post. Your comment (in bold) is an understatement 😆

You are spot on with your observations. Pragya was presented as a strong, pragmatic woman who would stand her ground. However, what ruined her character was the night she escaped and was determined not to disclose to anyone the horrors of her marriage. I would have MUCH rather the writers spent some time and come up with a better reason for her decision to stay and that was to protect BulBul.

Her decision NOT to pust Bulbul and Purab together was ultimately to protect her from what someone as pwoerful as Abhi could do to her. That's at least some decent rationale for her sacrifice. While she is married to Abhi, she at least tries to figure a way to bring them together...but none of this...

And I agree, the Purab and Bulbul romance was VERY rushed. I personally see ZERO chemistry between them. These two NEVER dated or were shown having a conversation. She was a Horrifically RUDE employee and completely embarassing. I cannot even figure out what she did in the office.

Sometimes I do not know if the writers are the problem are the actress just plays it Over the top.

I like the actors and the scenes between Pragya and Abhi have kept me entertained but the plot and the poor characterizations are killing the show and the writers need to pull it together before they end up kiiling their show.

What are you asking forgiveness for? Expressing an opinion? Do you see anyone of those people who tell us to not watch the show or accept the illogical nature of it feeling bad for posting? NO, so don't you feel bad either.


Hussh!! I have to agree yet again, but honestly speaking, do the creatives even care about what they're delivering, or it's just a trp making business.. In any case, it couldn't have been worse..

I am still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the story and the writers to redeem themselves..
As for the actress playing BulBul, aka Mrunal, I loved her in her previous show, Arjun and that is one reason why I started to watch a EK show..
I don't think she's entirely at fault, it's just a poorly written character, that one cannot connect to, despite trying hard.. As are the others..

As for asking forgiveness, nah.. That's not the point.. I'm npt keeping well and don't have the strength to deal with illogical reasonings.. That's just it..

Anyhow.. Thanks..

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Posted: 11 years ago
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what you said is true I dint like what ek did to pragya character , she should have told her mother the truth about her marriage waise bhi her mom kept on doubting about it so once tell it and end it. but purab is also wrong here when he knows what abhi will do to pragya still like coward run away with bulbul 😲 man face abhi and tell him that he is not interested in his sister and talk to pragya mom about his and bublbul marriage running away is not a solution he could have talk to abhi dadi that lady look enough sensible

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