Heir apparent!! - Page 2

Originally posted by: Shaavi

@bold. What about Dev and Ishwari's feelings. Do they matter less than Sona's or Bijoy's. If Sona is hurt by the revelations, isn't Dev and Ishwari too hurt by the revelations. Dev is trying to come to grips about the fact that he not only missed the birth of his child, but also missed his own flesh and blood in the process. If you say Dev should be considerate towards Sona's feelings, shouldn't the same be expected from Sona as being considerate of Dev and Ishwari's feelings. If you are saying Dev should support Sona, doesn't it follow that Sona should support Dev too.

@bold blue. Didn't;t Dev put his career on hold to support Sona when she wanted to move ahead in her career. Didn't he become a stay at home dad doing everything. Didn't Ishwari support Sona on that. If it is ok for Sona to focus on achieving things, why is it wrong for Dev or Ishwari to focus on achieving things. If it is ok for Sona to ignore Dev or Ishwari's happiness to focus soon her goals, why are you expecting that from Dev or Ishwari only all the time. Did Sona give any consideration to the feelings of others when she left the house after the marriage fiasco.

What happened was not just Dev or Ishwari's fault. Sona and Bijoy too contributed equally. In this season, I see the makers focussing on that. If after the 7 year leap, it was all about Dev and Ishwari's realizations and them making amends, I see this season as Sona and Bijoy's retrospection and retribution.

Idk if we're not seeing the same show. Because Dev and ishwari's feelings have always been considered. From the fact that Sona went through a painful process to give her a child to Dev literally slapping bijoy and never properly apologizing.

Even after Soha was easily shifted to Dev's house. I've lived 6 years at my nani's house due to some reasons. My Nani used to cry everyday for weeks after I left. That part was never considered in the show.

It was ishwari's mistake primarily which led to sona being alone at the time of pregnancy. This is thing not shown in the show but what sort of husband is Dev to leave her wife at such a crucial point of time. Sona was clearly depressed at the news of her not being able to become a mother. Even if she never would've become a mother it was honestly pathetic that Dev let her leave at such a point.

Now also Sona is being questioned as if she had swapped kids. First by Dev and now by ishu. Worst thing Dev hasn't said a thing to ishu. Dev understands ishu more than Sona.

Dev did something extremely basic by taking care of kids which honestly appreciable doesn't make Sona indebted to him..it's what everyone should do.

Even now sona is struggling with kids ishu is hounding her for complaining.

Sona and bijoy spent 7 years with Soha. Dev and ishu can never understand how jarring this news would be for them. Ishu and Dev should be extra supportive of Sona not only because it's terrible news for a mother it also makes one question her motherhood itself. Sona has also recently lost her mother and this is how everyone behaves with her pathetic.

Genuinely wouldn't want to ever live in such a house.

Love bijoy would want a father like him . He's only ever been rash is response to what he saw. He's seen his daughter not being valued the way he knows she should be valued. His feelings are absolutely valid.

@doodle12

Hi

The thing that I loved about this forum and still do is the varied perspectives.

Though there was and probably would be a team sona or a team dev each one of us tried to understand where the other person came from.

This show has been so realistic that we all feel very deeply about it. I like what you wrote and the questions you posed. They are very relevant but if we put ourselves in Dev shoes his struggle is realistic too

In life there is no real black or white but so many grays and our lives experiences make us root or identify with one character or another and no marriage is completely 50/50. Hoping to read more of your thoughts

Sorry I wrote a book lol

Originally posted by: Shaavi

@bold. What about Dev and Ishwari's feelings. Do they matter less than Sona's or Bijoy's. If Sona is hurt by the revelations, isn't Dev and Ishwari too hurt by the revelations. Dev is trying to come to grips about the fact that he not only missed the birth of his child, but also missed his own flesh and blood in the process. If you say Dev should be considerate towards Sona's feelings, shouldn't the same be expected from Sona as being considerate of Dev and Ishwari's feelings. If you are saying Dev should support Sona, doesn't it follow that Sona should support Dev too.

@bold blue. Didn't;t Dev put his career on hold to support Sona when she wanted to move ahead in her career. Didn't he become a stay at home dad doing everything. Didn't Ishwari support Sona on that. If it is ok for Sona to focus on achieving things, why is it wrong for Dev or Ishwari to focus on achieving things. If it is ok for Sona to ignore Dev or Ishwari's happiness to focus soon her goals, why are you expecting that from Dev or Ishwari only all the time. Did Sona give any consideration to the feelings of others when she left the house after the marriage fiasco.

What happened was not just Dev or Ishwari's fault. Sona and Bijoy too contributed equally. In this season, I see the makers focussing on that. If after the 7 year leap, it was all about Dev and Ishwari's realizations and them making amends, I see this season as Sona and Bijoy's retrospection and retribution.

Bold part. Totally agree with you shaavi. But in this scenario the entire mistake is being pinned on sona when she herself has been not aware of it and to top it questioned about her motherhood and her maternal love. Every mom is unique and so is every kid and their bond. Some women choose not to have kids but doesnt mean they dont have paternal instincts. The problem here is ishwari projecting herself as The Mother and comparing sona to her. Why doesnt she say such things to mamiji, her daughters and elena. Arent they mothers too. Hasnt sona equally lost 9 yrs of her own kid. When it should have been cumulative effort to correct the mistake, dev and ishwari chooses to blame/ question sona when they themselves were absent while sona was left to deal with gestation, harmones, building a career and healing a broken heart.

Italics part .. In s1 asha says to bijoy that if he takes one step towards dev, then dev will take ten steps towards bijoy. That kind of effort is totally missing with ishwari. Instead every time she wants sona to bend backwards to meet her standards. Dev's career was well established that he was able to open nd close companies in split second and was also operating remotely according to vicky. So him being a stay at home dad ( though deeply appreciated) wasnt impacting his business. But sona's presence was much required for greater good and only dev supported her not ishwari. So it is ok for ishwari to have neha(a kid) as her replacement but not for sona to have dev as a support.

Sona was told to leave the house and she did come bk to tell them about soha. She is considerate about everyones feelings thats why chooses to forgive vicky and overlook mamis taunts and give dev and ishwari their rights in sohas life as dad nd dadi

Originally posted by: Doodle12

Someone said how Dev and ishu's feeling matter. Replying to that (sorry I am new to the platform don't know how it works)

I am not sure we're seeing the same show. Because Dev and ishwari's feelings have always been considered. From the fact that Sona went through a painful process to give her a child to Dev literally slapping bijoy and never properly apologizing.

Even after Soha was easily shifted to Dev's house. I've lived 6 years at my nani's house due to some reasons. My Nani used to cry everyday for weeks after I left. That part was never considered in the show.

It was ishwari's mistake primarily which led to sona being alone at the time of pregnancy. This is thing not shown in the show but what sort of husband is Dev to leave her wife at such a crucial point of time. Sona was clearly depressed at the news of her not being able to become a mother. Even if she never would've become a mother it was honestly pathetic that Dev let her leave at such a point. She could've been seriously depressed if not for Soha. It was obvious having a kid is what she always wanted.

Now also Sona is being questioned as if she had swapped kids. First by Dev and now by ishu. Worst thing Dev hasn't said a thing to ishu. Dev understands ishu more than Sona.

Dev did something extremely basic by taking care of kids which honestly appreciable doesn't make Sona indebted to him..it's what everyone should do.

Even now sona is struggling with kids ishu is hounding her for complaining.

Sona and bijoy spent 7 years with Soha. Dev and ishu can never understand how jarring this news would be for them. Ishu and Dev should be extra supportive of Sona not only because it's terrible news for a mother it also makes one question her motherhood itself. Sona has also recently lost her mother and this is how everyone behaves with her pathetic.

Genuinely wouldn't want to ever live in such a house.

Love bijoy would want a father like him . He's only ever been rash is response to what he saw. He's seen his daughter not being valued the way he knows she should be valued. His feelings are absolutely valid.

let's agree to disagree. If Sona and Bijoy spent 7 years with Soha, Ishwari had spent 27+ yrs with Dev. If you say Dev and Ishwari cannot understand that, then did Sona show the understanding of Dev and Ishwari's feelings and how jarring the news of Dev loving another was for Ishwari. As much as this news is "terrible" for Sona, it is even more horrific to Dev and Ishwari. You are completely ignoring their feelings regarding this and blaming only Ishwari for everything. She alone was not responsible for the fiasco. Sona and Bijoy were equally responsible for it whether you agree or accept it.

Pride and ego are never virtues. There is a difference between self respect to ego and pride. What Sona and Bijoy have always showed is ego and pride, never humility. Dev and Ishwari are always better because they accepted their wrongs and made amends. They bent and worked for forgiveness and Sona stood on her high horse of moral ground. But that doesn't make her or Bijoy better than Dev or Ishwari.

Sona has to truly understand who Ishwari is. And that can only happen when Sona stands in the same place as Ishwari and feels the same pain as Ishwari. Where she sees the child that she loved more than anything not being her own anymore. Where she has to accept another as her own just like how Ishwari had to accept Sona. It was easy to say Ishwari was wrong. But why is it hard to say Sona was wrong too. Now it is for her to review her actions and see them from the consequences point of view. Hindsight is always 20/20 and it is Sona's turn now to see it.

Originally posted by: Shaavi

let's agree to disagree. If Sona and Bijoy spent 7 years with Soha, Ishwari had spent 27+ yrs with Dev. If you say Dev and Ishwari cannot understand that, then did Sona show the understanding of Dev and Ishwari's feelings and how jarring the news of Dev loving another was for Ishwari. As much as this news is "terrible" for Sona, it is even more horrific to Dev and Ishwari. You are completely ignoring their feelings regarding this and blaming only Ishwari for everything. She alone was not responsible for the fiasco. Sona and Bijoy were equally responsible for it whether you agree or accept it.

Pride and ego are never virtues. There is a difference between self respect to ego and pride. What Sona and Bijoy have always showed is ego and pride, never humility. Dev and Ishwari are always better because they accepted their wrongs and made amends. They bent and worked for forgiveness and Sona stood on her high horse of moral ground. But that doesn't make her or Bijoy better than Dev or Ishwari.

Sona has to truly understand who Ishwari is. And that can only happen when Sona stands in the same place as Ishwari and feels the same pain as Ishwari. Where she sees the child that she loved more than anything not being her own anymore. Where she has to accept another as her own just like how Ishwari had to accept Sona. It was easy to say Ishwari was wrong. But why is it hard to say Sona was wrong too. Now it is for her to review her actions and see them from the consequences point of view. Hindsight is always 20/20 and it is Sona's turn now to see it.

Sona loved Dev as a lover and never attempted to take him away from ishu. While Sona literally left her house and came with Dev. I don't even know what to say to you.

Bijoy was slapped idk if that holds no value to you. On top of that bijoy was never apologized to. I would never ever take a man who slapped my father back. Even if by mistake he never made ammends. Proceeds to call him bhudau.

Sona has given up too much. She deserves absolutely nothing of this.

Dev and ishu also don't deserve this but their behaviour right now is bad.

(Vaise I think it's writing problem. The show isn't dealing with asha's death at all. Maybe because the only reason she ws killed is because moon didn't agree. Toh if I see from that perspective assuming the show was written with ASHA still being alive Dev and ishu seem more reasonable)

Pride is a virtue.

If there's specific situations where you think Sona or bijoy was wrong bring that up. Sweeping statements hold no value when not backed up by anything real.

Sona has been wrong multiple times however she's had asha to tell her what is what'. This time however her compass is missing.

Sadly Dev has never had that compass.

Originally posted by: gemini54

@doodle12

Hi

The thing that I loved about this forum and still do is the varied perspectives.

Though there was and probably would be a team sona or a team dev each one of us tried to understand where the other person came from.

This show has been so realistic that we all feel very deeply about it. I like what you wrote and the questions you posed. They are very relevant but if we put ourselves in Dev shoes his struggle is realistic too

In life there is no real black or white but so many grays and our lives experiences make us root or identify with one character or another and no marriage is completely 50/50. Hoping to read more of your thoughts

Sorry I wrote a book lol

It's okay lol I wrote a book too. I understand have varied opinions. It's all healthy debate nothing against anyone.

I understand Dev's decisions and know they are wrong. But I also understand why he ends up making so many mistakes. He's had a tough childhood. He's been pressured. He's never been able to make decisions even about his career from what I assume. He's always been guilt tripped. He might also feel he needs to take extra care of ishu because if her health but as a viewer I hardly agree with him. Lol Dixit house I think is extremely dramatic. Bose house is fun. They forgave Dev easily enough. Even Elena they forgave (which honestly is right grudges rakhke noone is happy)

Sona had a healthy childhood. Loving parents. Supportive brother father mother.

Originally posted by: havima

Bold part. Totally agree with you shaavi. But in this scenario the entire mistake is being pinned on sona when she herself has been not aware of it and to top it questioned about her motherhood and her maternal love. Every mom is unique and so is every kid and their bond. Some women choose not to have kids but doesnt mean they dont have paternal instincts. The problem here is ishwari projecting herself as The Mother and comparing sona to her. Why doesnt she say such things to mamiji, her daughters and elena. Arent they mothers too. Hasnt sona equally lost 9 yrs of her own kid. When it should have been cumulative effort to correct the mistake, dev and ishwari chooses to blame/ question sona when they themselves were absent while sona was left to deal with gestation, harmones, building a career and healing a broken heart.

Italics part .. In s1 asha says to bijoy that if he takes one step towards dev, then dev will take ten steps towards bijoy. That kind of effort is totally missing with ishwari. Instead every time she wants sona to bend backwards to meet her standards. Dev's career was well established that he was able to open nd close companies in split second and was also operating remotely according to vicky. So him being a stay at home dad ( though deeply appreciated) wasnt impacting his business. But sona's presence was much required for greater good and only dev supported her not ishwari. So it is ok for ishwari to have neha(a kid) as her replacement but not for sona to have dev as a support.

Sona was told to leave the house and she did come bk to tell them about soha. She is considerate about everyones feelings thats why chooses to forgive vicky and overlook mamis taunts and give dev and ishwari their rights in sohas life as dad nd dadi

When the marriage was struggling immediately after the wedding, Sona chose to blame Dev for everything. Everyone;s first reaction is to blame others which is what Ishwari did today. But in the promo for tomorrows episode Ishwari tells Sona that Soha will still be the daughter of the family. It takes time for everything, especially in relationships. Sona lost 9 yrs, but had 9 whole years with Soha. While Dev and Ishwari not only lost 9 years with their child, but also lost 7 yrs with Soha. The 7 yrs did happen and there are consequences for everyone's actions. No one is exempt from it, no matter how "right" you think your actions are.

Dev's company might be established, but just like Sona, there was no one who could really take the responsibility. True that he could close the company and open new ones, but for that he had to be involved and be aware of the happenings(the market) around him. Dev had to trust Vikky who had previously betrayed him to the level where he tried to bankrupt Dev. So Dev too was on thin ice in a manner of speaking. Why didn't Sona trust Saurabh and Jatin. Dev's business too was impacted based on the call they show Vikky having in the last episode of season 2. Ishwari never said that Sona shouldn't have Dev for support. She is not even complaining that Dev is supporting her.

As much as Sona is "considerate", Dev and Ishwari too are considerate. They took the whole responsibility of the marriage breakup and never said that Sona or Bijoy did anything wrong. They gave that moral high ground to Bijoy and Sona. Now with this scenario, the playing field is being equated. And yes, that equality is needed for the relationship to sustain and grow.

Originally posted by: Doodle12

Sona loved Dev as a lover and never attempted to take him away from ishu. While Sona literally left her house and came with Dev. I don't even know what to say to you.

Bijoy was slapped idk if that holds no value to you. On top of that bijoy was never apologized to. I would never ever take a man who slapped my father back. Even if by mistake he never made ammends. Proceeds to call him bhudau.

Sona has given up too much. She deserves absolutely nothing of this.

Dev and ishu also don't deserve this but their behaviour right now is bad.

(Vaise I think it's writing problem. The show isn't dealing with asha's death at all. Maybe because the only reason she ws killed is because moon didn't agree. Toh if I see from that perspective assuming the show was written with ASHA still being alive Dev and ishu seem more reasonable)

Pride is a virtue.

If there's specific situations where you think Sona or bijoy was wrong bring that up. Sweeping statements hold no value when not backed up by anything real.

Sona has been wrong multiple times however she's had asha to tell her what is what'. This time however her compass is missing.

Sadly Dev has never had that compass.

You need to learn the seven sins. I mean, you are the first person I know who thinks "Price is a virtue". Good luck. I have nothing else to say to you.

Originally posted by: Shaavi

You need to learn the seven sins. I mean, you are the first person I know who thinks "Price is a virtue". Good luck. I have nothing else to say to you.

I mean Aristotle called pride as the king of virtues.

So there's a second person for you.

Yes I do agree Bijoy and Sona also contributed to the rift .

It was not entirely Dev or Ishwari’s fault