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Posted: 8 years ago
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I really like your optimism shaavi but i completely agree with Nitu's each and every word coming to the show. I really dont think that they have any plan to break Sona's or Bose family's perfect image. I honestly dont think that we will get something in this lines in the upcoming 30 episodes which we never ever got till now from the 300+ episodes. My intention is not to discourage you, its just my pov.

Coming to the message they are sending to masses, I feel they already sent very wrong message to the viewers. Let me give you one example, Recently when i told my hubby that the show is going to come back, the immediate response i got is "Not again". After seeing my sulking face then he asked me why are you so crazy about this show? I told him that i am not crazy anymore but i like this show since its close to reality. After this what ever he spoke really made me rethink about my perception about this show. Below is what he asked me and told me:

"I haven't watched the show like you religiously but with my limited knowledge based on what ever i have watched along with you, i dont think its different from any other tv show, its just that it comes with a different tadka. You are saying this is relatable then who is actually relatable? Dev and Sona are the two selfless saints sent by God to this earth to serve and complete every wish and whim of their good for nothing families. They hardly had any happy moments together, all their life till now went under the shadow of pain which was caused by their own family for their own selfish reasons. On the other hand, you see vikki and elena who are good for nothing, selfish and manipulative but still they had a happy married life till now. They haven't lost anything in life for being selfish or planning and plotting against their own family members. Leave about the upcoming episodes, now tell me what message they gave to masses - Be selfish and manipulative if you want to live your life happily.

I dont know what message you got from this show but after seeing Dev and his pain, guys will think 10 times before getting married. No one understood him or trusted him even after serving everyone selflessly, not even his mother or his wife. "

He actually made me speechless because he always use to pull my leg when it comes to this show but i never knew that he was observing so many things so keenly. One thing i may completely agree with him that when it comes to dev's flaws and mistakes makers always pointed those loudly but when it comes to sona's and ishwari's flaws and mistakes they always went subtle ways. This was one of my biggest disappointments wrt makers that they never had enough guts to say it as WRONG when it comes to Sona and Ishwari. 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ Latha


I dont know what message you got from this show but after seeing Dev and his pain, guys will think 10 times before getting married. No one understood him or trusted him even after serving everyone selflessly, not even his mother or his wife.





Latha

Your husband really understood the show and its Chs, more than any of us who regularly watch,analyse and dissect. Hats off to him. His every word stands true.
I really liked the above lines so much. Yes. I want to add men will think hundred times before falling in love. First his mother then his wife shattered him in turns.

I don't see any hope of Sonakshi's realisation. CVS will deliver a voice over in the end.. Every man should get a wife ,daughter and daughter in law like Sonakshi. I am so sure of that.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Lakshmi, After Dev and Sona marriage, he almost stopped watching it but he used to watch the repeat in the morning sometimes along with me while getting ready for office. So he knows the rough picture. Sometimes after coming back from office he used to ask "What's today's agnipariksha for your hero?" to pull my leg. When it comes to Dev, his thoughts are simple and clear. He says that guy was in a better state before falling in love because that time only his mom was ruling his life but after falling in love everyone is playing football with his life.

He always used to give or show me completely different perceptive of any situation in this show when ever we had discussions. May be because we came from different family backgrounds, I came from an independent nuclear family and he came from an interdependent joint family. For example, when their first break up happened i was cribbing saying how can he do that to her, so ruthlessly? He calmly asked me, what else you expected from him in that situation. One hour before he was on cloud 9 thinking about his mom's approval. Now he is seeing her on death bed, on top of that his uncle says she never liked sona and created an impression in his mind that she is in this state because of his relationship with sona. Now put yourself in his place and tell me what you will do? In this state of mind, do you expect him to sit with sona and discuss about their future course of action?

The most disliked character for him in this show is MAMAJI. He says every mess that got created in this show was because of his wrong advises. He sees him as a complete failure wrt every relationship in his life, not a good brother, husband, father, uncle...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ Lata he is absolutely right. Dev's decision to break up may have got brick bats from most of the viewers but people are still there it seems who are genuinely understanding and could feel Dev's helplessness. Immensely happy to know this.

He is right about mamaji also. He is the one who always offers misplaced advices to Iswari and Dev...He is irritating.

Absolutely delighted to know your husband's views.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Charmed is an American television series which follows a trio of sisters, known as The Charmed Ones, the most powerful good witches of all time, who use their combined "Power of Three" to protect innocent lives from evil beings such as demons and warlocks. Each sister possesses unique magical powers that grow and evolve, while they attempt to maintain normal lives in modern-day San Francisco. In one of the episodes, the sisters are infected with sins by a demon. i.e. each sister is infected by one of the deadly sins. The eldest of them is infected with "Pride". She goess on to do things which she terms as "selfless deeds", even tries to sacrifice herself to save another person who is also infected. But her sisters who have by this time have gotten rid of their sins save her and kill the demon. Only after the demon is killed, the eldest sisters sin is removed from her. After that the eldest sister asks her other sisters that she did so many selfless deeds, yet had to wait for the demon to be vanquished before she could get rid of her sin. Whereas the others could get rid of their sin by themselves. So the sisters replies "the demon said that Pride is the one sin that cannot be beat. That there is no such thing as "selfless act" in pride. Whatever one does in their prideful state is for the greater glory of themselves and not really for others. And that is why she had to wait for the demon to be vanquished by others for her to lose her pride".


The proverb is "Pride goes a long way before fall" and this is very true. Pride usually takes the person to the highest/tallest point before they fall. And when they fall, they fall real hard and bad. More than facing others, they find it hard to face themselves. Cause only when they lose their pride is when they see the mess and destruction that they have left behind. But after that they spend the rest of their lives cleaning up that mess. And they will never ever again do the same.


This is the same for Sonakshi and Bijoy. They have to reach the highest point before they can fall. And fall they definitely will. And when they fall, they will neveer rise again. We will see a completely subdued Bijoy who will never dare to question Dev again. And a Sonakshi who will be happy to be part of Dev's life. But she no longer will have any power over anyone, not even her own children. One of the blocked episode is the Shimla episode, the one before Dev and Sonakshi make up. In that episode, Dev says that it was not him that stalked, was intoxicated and ruined her engagement, but it was she and that it was her who stalked him, who became inebriated and broke his engagement. She tells him that he was wrong in saying that for which he responds that he was talking about "Mrs. Dixit", but she was Ms. bose who never made mistakes. He talks about her as 2 different people. And she ends it by saying that she didn't like the game and she was always "Mrs. Dixit". Right now she herself by choice is maintaining 2 different identities, Mrs. Dixit inside IN and Ms.Bose outside of IN. And she is also intoxicated by the power these 2 identities are giving her. But it has to reach the stage where she cannot take it anymore and falls down, just like Dev during Sonakshi Ritwick engagement party.

In season 1 after the inital breakup in hospital and initial marriage phase, it was Dev who said sorry and went behind Sonakshi to get her back. But after the leap, once Suhana called Dev as "papa", Sonakshi is the one who is shown to follow Dev and bring him back to their lives even if it forcefully. She was ready to let Suhana go to Kolkata when the later said she no longer wanted to live only with Sonakshi. That is the moment Sonakshi lost her biological advantage over Suhana. she now can be in Suhana's life as long as Dev is in the picture too. At every turn of life, whenever Sonakshi let herself carried away in her pride and pushed Dev away, Suhana made sure that Sonakshi had to bite her tongue, curb her pride and bring him back to their life. Suhana has made amply clear that she will stay in Sonakshi's life only if Dev is there too. She might have originally asked him as to how he could keep her happy when he couldn't keep his mom happy. But once she called him papa, she has never once told him that he hasn't kept her happy. But she has done the other way around multiple times. She has asked Sonakshi anytime Dev is not happy as to who could hurt her "papa". When Dev left IN during Khatri track, it was Suhana who kind of made sure that Sonakshi did not come back without Dev. In Dev's remarriage track, after his engagement is broken and he decides to go away, Suhana continuosly asks him to take her with him.She was ready to leave Sonakshi when earlier she was called "mumma ka poonch". And Sonakshi had to accept the truth regarding her failures at each of these times. And right now she may not admit to herself openly, and may not seem like it, but she doens't really have anyone for support except Dev, Ishwari and Bijoy. If she complains againsnt Dev, apart from Bijoy nobody else will believe her nor will they support her. Asha is now friends with Ishwari outside of Sonakshi. She will directly approach Ishwari and ask her for details. And once ishwari tells the truth, Asha will not support Sonakshi. Then what happens. During Dev's remarriage track, even though Bijoy maintained that he was not wrong till the last moment, had to finally content with the fact that Sonakshi did love Dev. He had to accept that truth when she herself blurts it in front of him. After that when she says she is going back to IN, even though he doesn't like it, he is not given a choice anymore. Nor he at anytime he could interfere and say that Dev or ishwari were forcing her.

A lot of viewers lost that picture of "perfect father" for Bijoy after the leap, especially during Dev's remarriage track. They disliked him immensly for his insensitivity. Same is true for Sonakshi too. Members lost connect with her when she tried to justify herself after Vickky's manipulations were revealed and also when she doesns't show any reaction after Dev tells how much he loves her on the national television. Same is with Saurabh too when he was shown to burst out in anger against Bijoy and also when he was ready to walk out on the Boses when Dev is revealed as the thief whole stole Ronita's jewelry. Since then the "perfection" image of the Boses has been shaken. But now it will be broken. This is the excerpt from DD's blog regarding KRPKAB --


Coming to the show, what works for me in the show (as a fan) are how Devrat and Sonakshi are as characters. They are riddled with flaws and that's what makes them interesting. They are real and incorrigible and unpredictable. They falter repeatedly and don't emerge as better as a consequence. They are stubborn, and they hold on to what they think it's right. The truths for them are relative, even convenient. They see things from their vantage point. And that's how people are. They seldom change after a certain age. What's also refreshing to see is the arrogance in their love. They know for a fact that no one, absolutely no one, can love as they once loved each other, that despite how it ended, no one has felt the love they have. It's the kind of arrogant, rude, superior love that lays waste the feelings of other people. It's the kind where their falling in love is a favour to the world, something that gives them a legitimate reason to play truant with others and excuses them of all responsibility. It allows them to be moody, unreasonable and irrational. They allow themselves to be vindictive without reproach, hurt without guilt. They love deeply and passionately but that doesn't make them kind, and that's a welcome change. They seldom feel embarrassed about the things they do. They move on, brush them under the carpet like it didn't happen, and that's how most of us behave. When they fight, they pick the points that are most convenient to them, ignoring instances and arguments that don't suit their side. They are throbbing with love, anger, jealousy and disappointment and they wear it on their sleeves.

Here is the link to DD's article -- https://durjoydatta.blog/2017/05/14/why-kuchh-rang-pyaar-ke-aise-bhi-is-the-best-tv-love-story-i-will-ever-write/

@Nitu -- It is true that Sonakshi is shown to make mistakes and not acknowledge them. But it is also true that those mistakes that she makes, makes her extremely guilty too. Just like Ishwari. Alcohol is not the only thing that can make a person intoxicated, power can also go into someone's head. And that will be Sonakshi's downfall. The more power she has tasted, the harder that fall is. In the movie "Aitraaz", Akshay Kumar tells Priyanka that she will reach her goal, to be on the top, but when she stands there and looks around her, she will not find anyone whom she can call "apna". Right now Sonakshi is exactly in the same place as Priyanka. She will have to go to the top and find herself all alone. She might have everyone around her, but will find no one who will support her or even ask her if she is doing ok. That is when it will hit her as to what she has done. Everything will come rushing back, all her mistakes, her blunders, the mess that she has created, everything. We will see Sonakshi begging dev to take her back or if they want to show a tragedy, then show that Sonakshi loses Dev forever, but will spend the rest of her life resenting her actions. In the naya rang track you mentioned, Ishwari was shown to help Dev come out of his abandonment issues, but he was not shown to apologize for his actions, neither to Ishwari nor to Sonakshi. Also it was shown that as much as Dev decided to let go, Sonakshi was shown to "compromise", something that she has never done. She was shown to wear the dress that Dev asked her to wear and even plan a date. Even her dialogue for me is a forewarning since it was also in the promo. When someone hides their true feelings like Sonakshi, they become ticking time bombs, which explode when they least expect it in ways they don't imagine. We will see Sonakshi behaving even more irrationally than we have seen and that is when she will no longer be able to hide her true self. From the begining of the series onakshi was shown as somebody who always "won". But in the end, she will be shown questioning the same. Even the last dialogue in the current promo which said "will their rishta be able to withstand this naya rang" is a for me a forewarning.


Latha, Your husband is absolutely right, especially the last paragraph and I think that is the message to the viewers. That one should not enter the institution of marriage lightly. That it is not like buying a dress or car that you use for sometime and then say that they didn't like it so they now want to return it. They are telling the that falling in love and married life are not as shown in movies or fairy tales. That it is a lot more complex than that. The movies or fairy tales may show a romantisized version of everything where the boy and girl fall in love, get married and live happily ever after. Hindus prefer Grihastaasrama to Sanyaasa: One famous couplet in Kannada says: "Eesa beku, iddu jayisa beku we need the grace of God, for that Sainthood is not the only solution; better to live with the world and lead a successful life serving family and society. It is about "karma yoga". The rituals and the Vedic incantations that go with marriage are extremely significant, designed as they are to ensure the happy, prosperous and harmonious living of the couple. But with the current fast life, most of the meanings of the hindu marriage ritual is lost. With this series, the makers are saying that our ancestors who wrote those rituals and mantras and everything, the upanishads, the different trypes of marriages, the sapthapadi everything are not meaningless. They are advising the newer generation to think before they act, to take their time to think through and not to let things like anger, ego and pride ruining lives. That a marriage is about companionship and not competition, it is not about one upmanship. That we should treat others the way we would like to be treated. The makers are showing how lives can be ruined with miscommunication, with not being honest with one's feelings.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Shaavi, I too read his blog. There was never any issue with their overall concept but I feel they failed in creating a balance with the way they presented their concept and the way they projected their characters on screen. Normal viewers won't have this much time to analyze and discuss to understand each of the characters actions. What they see that's what they remember. That's why they need to be very careful regarding their presentation of their characters so that they won't convey any wrong message at the end.

After watching this show, if a guy thinks ten times before getting married by thinking about how to strike a balance between his new and old relationships then I see it as real success of this show.
But if a guy thinks ten times before getting married by thinking staying alone is much better and peaceful than losing yourself and your peace of mind after marriage then I see it as real failure of this show.

Have a good day.😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Shaavi

I agree with Latha. The Show can be termed as a success if the message they want to convey reaches normal viewers. Here the makers or Writer may have good intention like you said in your post. But they failed miserably. Reason? A normal viewer just feels Sonakshi is the wronged one since the begining. For that viewer Iswari's ill treatment and Dev's indecisiveness matters the most. On top of it the single mother surviving the odds and bringing up a child and carving a successful career for herself...this impresses and stands tall. Dev's hurt,Dev's loss of seven years and Dev's inability to be with Soha at her birth all these will get suppressed under the maginificience of individualistic perfectionist role model Dr. Sonakshi Bose.


Shaavi hardly you ,me,Lata,her husband and Nitu and may be very few others bother about injustice done to Dev by Iswari and Sonakshi. Even Iswari they may find fault with but Sonakshi will never be held responsible for what all happened in Dev's life.

What can I do? I feel this way only. No hopes left for the coming season.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Shaavi, Nitu, Latha, Lakshmi...happy to see all my Team Dev gang here. Moreover, I am happy to see all of you in that good old times, where we used to have lots & lots of discussions on our show. Having said that, I don't think the upcoming 30 episodes will give something of that sort for us to discuss. The most important reason being, the channel as well as the lead actors have repeatedly mentioned that this phase is going to be mostly about Dev & the kids. To add to it, yesterday's Sony TV promo says "Kiradaar wahi, kahaani nayi! Miliye apne Dev aur Sonakshi se ek naye roop mein." Which can be read as, they are not going to touch any of the old pending tracks. Haan, once chance is there. Seeing Dev excelling in all areas (Btw, there are stills showing Dev in office costume also and that means he will not fully be a househusband), there is a chance that Sona may feel bad that she couldn't be upto the mark. But that track would soon be closed with Dev not allowing her to feel guilty. Infact he may tell her not to focus on the past; but to focus on the future and to achieve her dreams.
Shaavi, I really appreciate your optimism & unbreakable faith in the makers. But, considering the situations like the limitation of 30 episodes, unexpected illness of Erica and then the focus being mainly on Dev & the kids, I have zero expectations from the makers. You were telling about the blocked 3 episodes. I have a question. We all know that the show was brought back only because the unexpected ban of PPK and also to just calm down the angry audiences. So, my question is if the show was not brought back, what would be your take on these blocked episodes. Kindly note that i am not questioning you; rather, it's just my curiosity to know what would be your thought process in that situation.

Latha, I really agree with what your husband said - I dont know what message you got from this show but after seeing Dev and his pain, guys will think 10 times before getting married. No one understood him or trusted him even after serving everyone selflessly, not even his mother or his wife. " Infact I myself had once discussed the same with Shaavi. And recently while I was watching the old KRPKAB episodes during the Natasha track, I was just thinking Dev's life would have been less problematic if he had married Natasha. And who knew he would have eventually fallen in love with her. Because, Natasha was one such person who was liked by the trio - Ishwari, Mamiji & Neha. And infact, she was a person who used to talk it across with the person & sort the issue, rather than acting on her presumptions. The way she manaofy an angry Neha to join them for shopping and the way she took the effort to phone Ishwari & say she is coming to IN as a beti; not as a bahu made me to think so. How many of you think so? And with that, the message passed to the guys will be don't fall in love; instead marry the person who is approved by all your family members, if you want a stress free life...😃
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Correction. Latha's husband said so not my husband. I appreciated his views. You also should give him credit because he analysed the show so well.


Since you asked about Natasha I am admitting now. Yes. Natasha would have been a nice life partner for Dev. She may not be as vibrant and chilled out like Sonakshi but I am sure with her down to earth attitude and immense love for Dev she would have won Iswari and Dev together. Dev Dixit's life would have been blissful and hassalfree. He would have lived with peace of mind.




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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

@ grace

Correction. Latha's husband said so not my husband. I appreciated his views. You also should give him credit because he analysed the show so well.


Since you asked about Natasha I am admitting now. Yes. Natasha would have been a nice life partner for Dev. She may not be as vibrant and chilled out like Sonakshi but I am sure with her down to earth attitude and immense love for Dev she would have won Iswari and Dev together. Dev Dixit's life would have been blissful and hassalfree. He would have lived with peace of mind.




Lakshmi


Lakshmi...sorry for the typo error. Yes, I too 100% agree with the analysis given by Lakshmi's husband. When they started, the makers had a plan to give a good message to the viewers, on how to balance between the two ladies. But, whatever they showed after the marriage really backfired. The introduction of the EK camp writers happened at this phase and I think it spoiled the whole story. Maybe due to the channel's pressure to increase the TRP, the makers resorted to this step; but the truth is that due to the over dramatisation of things, the whole show got ruined. That maybe why even Shaheer had to post that it has turned into a total Saas-Bahu drama.

Now, coming to Natasha, I am sure that if it was not for the chemistry between Shaheer & Erica, the viewers, especially the Team Dev viewers would have asked to bring Natasha back in Dev's life. Thanks that either the channel or the makers or the actors are not such people who are interested in long running shows. Otherwise, just like all other serials, there was much scope of a triangular story leading to our show also falling into that category of the so called TRP rated serials.
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