*Season 2, Week 30* Analysis Thread - Page 8

@ Sam Excellent point raised by you. See this the out come of expectations. See In our family with every member we have certain expectations and this get generated because of certain behavior of that person. Form the childhood dev is a very good son who understands everyone and Ishu mata always expected that he will be pillar of the house and as her beloved bhaiya and Bhabhi had the eashan on them so he is expected to forgive the every mistake done by the vickki and previously in the past she had forced him to do the things. Now same get carried by mama and mami and now with the Elena she want as in the past for the sake of golu and her dev had forgiven vickki so now he should do it and on the top of that now he is trying to change so you should forgive him. They never understand the gravity of the vickki and mami's behavior. So Unless and until they get the trailer of the vickki's deed is going to affect them they will not stop expecting. And for that something must happen to soha or like this he is trying to trap the soha for money and at the last miniute soha get saved but with that she will get to know what exactly is the her vickki chachu and golu get traped and in danger this will force dev to get bust out and ask his mother how much he is expected to forgive vickki and mami and at what cost. This will help Ishu mata to come out of the the blind love of her bhiya and family and forced to take the major step. This will help soha to understand the importance of her mother and father.

The current behavior of soha is the impact of the felling that his mama and papa are busy they have no time for her and she is getting the guidance of golu and get manipulated by vickki. And the another important aspect is the expectations which are from golu and which are from soha are different as golu was always the mini version of vickki (which is harmless) who used to lie and not good at study so dev was also ok with how golu behaves means I am talking about he get fail and lie.So soha is that golu never get caught if he behaves wrongs no one is angry on him and if then it is for short time so there is nothing wrong if she behaves like golu.

I am really happy finally dev and sona is going to reach to the stage where they are going to question to their family that how much they are expected to bare for them and at what cost. First Dev is going to question Ishu mata and then with the changed environment of the bose house and dada sona is also going to reach this stage. After the vickki track this is the next track. Still I believe if vickki comes in the Ishu niwas viccki cannot harm dev and his business and wealth .And dev and sona will not allow him to harm soha. The next week Vickki's true face will come out and we will see the Nuclear family as displayed in the new Photo shoot.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

It still amazes me that nobody in the family is able to grasp the gravity of Vicky's actions, and it speaks to a dangerous level of trust in Dev's abilities. Dev is desperately trying to communicate that Vicky could have brought them to the streets, but all their minds say is, "but you fixed it like you always do, so what is different this time? Why such a drastic reaction this time?" Somehow Dev is not able to get across the message that, no, this is different because it's not just about greed and mistakes, it's about a deliberate attempt to hurt me and harm those closest to me.

In that vein, some of the dialogues from yesterday (and before) were real doozies

What annoys me the most about these kinds of dialogues it that it takes all responsibility away from Vicky. Elena made the passive aggressive jibe to Sona that it wasn't their decision whether Vicky comes back to IN or not -- true, it's not. Vicky, who made the choice to do all the horrible things he did, has to make the choice to prove himself worthy of this family again. Yet again, everyone is relying on Dev's agency and magnanimity to forgive Vicky and bring him back; they are frustrated that he is not fulfilling their expectations, and holding him responsible for this separation. It's is blatant victim-blaming, akin to blaming an assault victim for pressing charges because they managed to use self-defense and the rape didn't actually happen.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

It still amazes me that nobody in the family is able to grasp the gravity of Vicky's actions, and it speaks to a dangerous level of trust in Dev's abilities. Dev is desperately trying to communicate that Vicky could have brought them to the streets, but all their minds say is, "but you fixed it like you always do, so what is different this time? Why such a drastic reaction this time?" Somehow Dev is not able to get across the message that, no, this is different because it's not just about greed and mistakes, it's about a deliberate attempt to hurt me and harm those closest to me.

In that vein, some of the dialogues from yesterday (and before) were real doozies

Ishwari: Soha won't be happy until her brother is back, and you won't be happy until your brother is back.

I have loved Ishwari's transformation, but this moment showed that a leopard doesn't really change its spots. She very well knows that Dev does not have the same attachment for Vicky that Soha does for Golu -- it's Golu that Dev can't live without. But she is giving him the subtle message that trust me, you can't win this one without bringing Vicky back into the family. You can't find your happiness (in Golu and Soha's happiness) without the extra baggage of Vicky. I resented her for this moment. This is where Dev's tendency towards short-term solutions in S1, one of the primary causes for the dissolution of his and Sona-s relationship, came from. He was terrified of exactly this feeling of complete alienation from his mother and the rest of his family, and so he kept succumbing to their manipulation, and trying to keep everyone happy. But now, for the sake of his daughter, Dev is facing the thing he feared the most with complete determination.

Elena: People change if they are given a change to change

Elena has observed Dev and Vicky's relationship for seven years. WHEN in that stretch of time did Dev stop Vicky from improving or changing? When has Dev ever held him back or been anything short of encouraging? The fact that Vicky is only displaying this so-called change after Dev kicked him out should be ringing alarm bells in your head, lady, but instead you are too busy punishing the one person who worked behind the scenes so that you could have the illusion of family you so proudly flaunt today. Vicky still has you wound around his little finger, and I would feel bad if you weren't indoctrinating poor, innocent Golu for your self-aggrandising ends.

What annoys me the most about these kinds of dialogues it that it takes all responsibility away from Vicky. Elena made the passive aggressive jibe to Sona that it wasn't their decision whether Vicky comes back to IN or not -- true, it's not. Vicky, who made the choice to do all the horrible things he did, has to make the choice to prove himself worthy of this family again. Yet again, everyone is relying on Dev's agency and magnanimity to forgive Vicky and bring him back; they are frustrated that he is not fulfilling their expectations, and holding him responsible for this separation. It's is blatant victim-blaming, akin to blaming an assault victim for pressing charges because they managed to use self-defense and the rape didn't actually happen.

Sam, Ishwari wanted Dev to pull them out of poverty. But she never imagined that Dev would do it with such flying colors. She never thought Dev would not just give them a comfortable life, but make it in a such a way where they would never have to think of a "want" not being fulfilled for many generations to come. This has created a larger than life image of Dev in quite a lot of people's minds. Of all of them it is deeply engraved in Ishwari and maamaji's minds. In that episode when Dev announces the software and the interview is over, the first thing maamaji does is attribute that success to Ishwari's efforts. She has spent a major part of her life playing god to him, that she is still not completely out of it.

William Shakespeare wrote "Nothing is so common as the desire to be remarkable". And it is not just Ishwari, but all parents in this show wanting this. The pov I am saying is the parents in this show(even generally speaking) are shown to feel elated or disappointed by their kids actions. Depending on what the child did it is considered as the result of their good upbringing or a failure on their part. I mean Bijoy was earlier always shown to feel proud of Sonakshi's success while at the same time make fun of Saurabh's ineptitude.

Can a parent really attribute the success or failure of their kid as a direct result of their actions. I don't think so. The way I think or how my mind works is completely different than how it works for my son. I can either support or not support, but what he does is entirely his own and has very little to do with me. I mean I can help him in studying by giving a part of my time, my energy etc. but it will be him who at the end of the day take the exam and get whatever grades/marks. If he gets good marks saying "see I did this" or "you didn't listen to me" based on the result by parents is very common. But is the parent really the one who is the recipient of that fruit. I don't think so. No matter what a parent does at home, ultimately it is the kids abilities that will bring them success or failure. There is very little control on the part of the parent.

But in KRPKAB the norm of Indian society(generalizing and not intended to hurt anyone) is being dissected and mirror shown. Dev can thank all his family for the support, but ultimately his success is a result of his own hardwork. The same is with Sonakshi too, yet the credit is not really given where it is due. This is because all the older set of parents are shown to look at their children's success or failure as their own. As though the kids are nothing but an extension of themselves and are not separate entities. Ishwari can talk about children having their own personality in reference to Soha, but fails to do the same with Dev or even with Riya. And that is what needs to change and my guess is that is where the story is headed.

As you said they have that dangerous level of trust in his abilities that they don't want to see the truth of what could have happened. It is like "raat dali toh baath tali" for them, including Sonakshi where she couldn't understand why Dev was so hung up on the bus incident when nothing happened. They feel so secure in his presence that they have attributed supernatural abilities to him(calling him super man frequently) and forget that he is human at the end of the day.



It is all about perception and Dev has created it. In the beginning he had to create it to incite to win the investors and clients support in him. But since he was able to surpass their expectations, it has created that image of "Dev Dixit kuch bhi karsaktha hai" and everyone is banking on it. No one is thinking beyond him. It is like if you could do that then this shouldn't be a big deal to you. Ishwari had once said that Dev never loses. But Dev did lose a lot of things. Only that he didn't let failure stop him. He looked for ways to overcome that defeat. Ishwari is still not completely out of her God complex. She thought she made decisions only regarding his personal life and hence she thought she changed. But she is yet to learn that she still is calling the shots by asking him to treat her brothers family as his own. And that she is asking him to pay for the debts that she incurred.

Similar to Dev reaching breaking point with Sonakshi, he needs to reach the same with Vickky. Vickky needs to break him and Ishwari and Sonakshi needs to see that. Only when they see Dev harmed and hurt will they accept that he is human and is just like them. And probably he will no longer work to fulfill others dreams but his own. He will be like Ranveer who supported his family but was not really ambitious. He will start to live for himself and be his own person. And my guess is that is where they are taking the story. Where he loses everything and when he gets them back it will not be for somebody else but for his own.

Originally posted by: Derta

Which photoshoot do u mean?

@DQ: That is a really good question. I will have to ponder it a little more, but it's a discussion that is definitely worth having in the context of the show.

What Dev is essentially saying is, how long can I keep these training wheels on? Vicky's sleaziness, essentially abusing the advantages of Dev's blockbuster success is beyond correction and it can no longer be neglected. Statements that @Sam highlighted, must make Dev helpless and angry. How much emotional tax is he supposed to pay? Where is the compassion? Telling Dev to trivialise this, not to make a big deal and to ignore the dubious actions of Vicky is a dismissal of Dev's real thoughts and emotions and a need for respect for his feelings. I guess people don't change overnight. However, I am glad it was not the same tone of self-confidence that she used to have pre-khatri.

I can see why Mrs Tripathi Jr. and Sr. expect Vicky to be excused by Dev this time. A small step for Vicky, giant leap for the Tripathis. Their problem is that why was Vicky hit when all he did was play with the kids... Dev hadn't said vicky cannot play with his daughter. Why is Dev excused for this mistake when in all honesty, all the Tripathi women know is that Vicky is making the effort and they don't want it to be jeopardised in any manner. Fair enough... But don't tug at Dev's heartstrings by asking him to commit to a promise unless he has seen enough evidence that Vicky is indeed a changed man. He saw Vicky use violence against Elena... He has seen Vicky do the same against women police officers in the past and actively ignore his own son. Why would he not assume that his daughter is unsafe in the company of Vicky? He is protecting you lot from continuing to destroy yourself. Why has mami not gone to check on her beta and bahu even once?

Also it's perfect that Soha and Golu don't actually know where the adults' loyalties lie. Dev can actually use this to his advantage while the Trixits (and Asha?!) take a dive in the sea of amnesia. Moreover, Sona is ready with her finest quality balm, to apply on her husband's wounds as he manages to yank himself out of this hostile Trixit whirlpool.

@Sam, yes, that thought was troubling me... I thought I'll ask

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

A lot of the overwhelming guilt he faces comes from the fact that he is programmed to believe that if he isn't fulfilling all of these needs, he is an inadequate family member. Moreover, because Ishwari never allowed him to express his emotions freely at any given moment, the pent up feelings burst out as impulsive, uncontrolled, and sometimes violent actions that are (fairly enough) misread as assertion fo power rather than expression of fallibility. That is exactly what happened after the bus incident. Dev wasn't able to communicate clearly with Sona that he was afraid, and when she tried to talk about the incident directly, he brushed it off, but then went behind her back to try and keep track of her where abouts.

The situation could have had a much swifter and more productive outcome if Dev had been able to say, "I am really upset about that night and am just not able to shake the feeling that I am going to lose you. I don't know how to handle this anxiety." But it's a tall order from him because in the past, he didn't have time to think about his emotions -- he just found solutions and moved forward. Sona is the first person who challenged and is still challenging this mode of operation, and I am happy to see her gaining more and more clarity on this being her niche in Dev's life. Everyone else is happy to take advantage of the Dev who takes care of everything for them, but Sona doesn't need or want that, she wants more, the sensitive, emotional, and human side of Dev that nobody else really values or nurtures.

It reminds me of that car scene after the first confession where she tells him, your name is Dev, but you aren't god, but then it's as though he makes it rain. There is a beautiful contrast between that moment and the rain sequence that happened last week. Then, it was a moment that Dev "gave" to Sona as a gift. Now, she recognises that these moments can't be created, but have to be seized when they come -- and that is precisely what she did. This time around, Sona is much more aware of Dev's humanity, and conscious about not falling into the trap of expecting the supernatural from him. She still expects a high standard of behaviour, and I am sure Dev will not disappoint, but she is also cognizant of the toll it takes for him to be this supernatural figure for everyone.

I have a feeling this is leading to some kind of huge breakdown, not unlike the one Dev had at and after Sona and Ritwick's engagement. Something needs to happen that illustrates his fallibility to his family in a very immediate way, and it's entirely possible that Vicky will engineer such a haadsa, being overconfident of everyone's loyalty to him. But like with the snake, Dev will overcome his fears, and like with the goondas, Sona will come to his rescue, not allowing him to be at the mercy of Vicky's plotting. It's getting really good. 😃

Dekha Maa Der se hi sahi Dev ne Sab Kuch theek kardiya. I am sure Maa use apni galti ka ehasas hogaya..

Hello Friends,

Yesterday Monday 08/07 episode, all in all was a very good episode which actually left some questions in my mind:

1. How much did Elena tell Aasha?

a. The way Aasha was behaving with Elena, the question arises if Elena would have told Aasha the whole truth - Vicky's trying to steal and sell Dev's software at the business and Vicky being culprit of ousting Boses out of their house 7 years ago, not Dev?

b. Will Boses be this calm and understanding after finding out the truth? What would be their reaction?

2. Vicky, when came to IN, told everyone "Golu Nikala To Tha School Ke Liye Par Pahunch Nahi Aur Elena Ko Pata Chala To Woh Ro Ro Ke Pareshaan Ho Gayi. Mai Golu Ko Dhundhata Dhundhata Yahan Par Pahuncha Hun Kyunki Devbhai Golu Ko Ham Se Bina Puchhe Le Aaye Hai."

a. Did Elena send Golu, a 6 year old kid, to school alone?

b. How is it that Golu's missing from school was reported to Elena same day within hours (rather minutes) and Vicky was already at IN's door step however, Suhana has been missing from school for days and Dev and Sonakshi doesn't even know about it? (It will be only reveled to them today)

3. What does Sourav Dada really do all day? Anything related to the business that he is supposed to be partner in? Why is it that always Sonakshi receives all the calls about business? I understand he is also shown being pregnant with his wife but even before Ronita became pregnant, no one ever saw Sourav doing anything for their jointly owned business.

My favorite scene (I should say moments) of yesterday's episode was after Dev bringing Golu to IN and Sonakshi telling Ishwari how Dev made everything alright:

Ishwari looks at Dev and Dev looks at Ishwari for few seconds - the doubting expression on Ishwari's face and expressions of getting caught doing wrong on Dev's face were so apt for the scene. Ishwari knew just looking at her son that he was hiding something she did not even need to talk to him. Whether we like it and agree with it or not the special bond Dev shares with his mother is definitely one of a kind as they both know and understand each other better than anyone else.

I have full faith in makers that they will clear most of our doubts so until then; I am just going to sit back, relax and enjoy the episodes.

Thanks everyone for your fine writing, I still have to catch up reading 3 pages. Have a terrific Tuesday and happy writing.

Sincerely,

Ji 😃 😃 😃