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Posted: 8 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: --Jenny2017--


@Bold-I guess there's some confusion there.Dev said that he loves Sona as much as he loves his mother and sisters.He did not say that he loves Sona in the same manner as he loves his mother and sisters.


. Dev confessed to Sona that " I luv u as a man luvs a woman". 😳But he recently said that he luvs her the same way he luvs his mother n daughter. ( Episode 371 ) . Actually Dev said , "Sonakshi , mein jitna pyar tumse karta hu, utna hi suhana se karta hu aur utna hi apne maa se bhi karta hu aur ghar se bhi ". To which Sonakshi replied there shud b differences in luv for various persons . That's y I said , the same emotion luv gives different feelings for different persons. It can't b the same , normally. Hpe u got wat I meant 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Archa but Vicky did take Soha to game parlour without taking anyone's permisison

N even Elena took her along to meet Vicky.

If these husband wife duo thinks they can take Suhana anywhere, then how can they expect Dev to take permission from them. Although he should have taken. N this is one thing i don't like, why they make Dev stand mute when people r accusing him. That day mami was saying hamne tujhe sambhala and now Vicky. Y can't he speak up for himself that dude i was all alone in last 7 years, what did u do for me or stay away from my daughter as she is my baby.


Totally agreeing with u @ blue .

Vicky is again trying to manipulate the situations hre which acts as an upper hand for him, in front of Soha since Vicky chachu is the first one in Soha's good book now. Kids r the easy targets for these manipulators . Even Dev cudn convince Golu in the first attempt even though he cared n looked after Golu from a tiny baby . I'm sad that Dev didn do anything to convince his daughter but he was trying that passively by bringing Golu bak into IN . Soha is highly influenced by the fake luv Vicky chachu is showering on her & a disheartened Dev Dixit witnessing his daughter embracing a person who indeed tried to harm his business n separated himself from the luv of his life left me with a heavy heart .

But let's keep aside this tit for tat game for a while . Dev took Golu to IN wen he was going to school without informing anyone which is wrong. ( Vicky said , golu school ke liye nikal gaya par pahuncha nahii ...That means Golu goes to school by himself 😕. If some one was with him, then he/she shud know that if Golu reached school or nt . Better don go deep into all these or else sooo confusing ! ) . It's nt necessary that since Vicky didn informed Dev /Sona wen taking Soha outside of school, Dev shud also do the same. Dev n Sona shud start giving more time to Suhana as she verbally explained her displeasure that her parents r nt finding time for her. I too want Dev to take his family out for a vacation, hav some masti , thus making Soha feeling special , also man handling Vicky in solitude 😆 but in our dreams only , it seems .

I was thinking bout that ' fictional' school. Btw, which school allows hide n seek / peek-a-boo / children going out ( Soha ran out of the school wen Dev revealed his identity as her papa ) etc ?? Recently I got a call ( msg too ) from my elder son's school citing an unexpected closure of the school . He's in yr 11 . I went n picked him up. Even for these high grades students , the school authority is very much concerned. I think, the system of education is similar in our country too but in our relatable show 🤔


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Posted: 8 years ago
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DQ, reading the TOI spoilers, I think it will get worse with Suhana before it gets better. When Elena ran away with Vickky, Dev lost a huge amount of money, something that he couldn't ignore. And that became secondary to the fact of what happened with Elena.
Elena knows that Dev has endured pain because of Vickky, but my guess is she doesn't know the extent of it. Like Elena doesn't know that it was Vickky who sent those goons or it was him and RR who set a poisonous snake in camp or any of those things. Hence she is expecting that Vickky will reform.

My guess is Suhana will also experience something similar. She has to reach a stage where she will be expected to do something that is very much against her core nature. And she should do it believing Vickky thinking that he has her back only to turn around and find that he is nowhere there. And only then will she come back to Dev and Sonakshi. I am only hoping that she is not hurt very bad.

But one thing that surprises me the most is RR's expression in today's episode when Vickky says that he will not come back. It had that kind of expression which said "see I have given good upbringing to my son. He is the best son in the whole wide world. How can you guys even think that he can be wrong. He has changed and you guys need to open your eyes to see that he is better than Dev". I couldn't get over that expression. . Am wondering what really will open her eyes to the truth of Vickky. How are the makers planning to bring his black heart out for everyone to see. Whatever it is my guess is it will involve Suhana.

Last year during mid August, Bijoy meets Ishwari and her reluctance towards the intended relation comes out. And on 17th or 18th the breakup of Dev and Sonakhshi happened. If we go by this, my guess is Ishwari and maybe even Sonakshi will come to know Vickky's fake remorse and confront maami and Elena perhaps. But whatever it is I am excited for the next week, even more than this week. 😆 . I am looking forward to what the makers are planning for next week. Especially for the episode on 17th and 18th. Hopefully it will bring Dev, Sonakshi and Soha together while breaking the Ishwari, RR and Vickky Elena relationship. 😃


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Posted: 8 years ago
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It still amazes me that nobody in the family is able to grasp the gravity of Vicky's actions, and it speaks to a dangerous level of trust in Dev's abilities. Dev is desperately trying to communicate that Vicky could have brought them to the streets, but all their minds say is, "but you fixed it like you always do, so what is different this time? Why such a drastic reaction this time?" Somehow Dev is not able to get across the message that, no, this is different because it's not just about greed and mistakes, it's about a deliberate attempt to hurt me and harm those closest to me.

In that vein, some of the dialogues from yesterday (and before) were real doozies

Ishwari: Soha won't be happy until her brother is back, and you won't be happy until your brother is back.

I have loved Ishwari's transformation, but this moment showed that a leopard doesn't really change its spots. She very well knows that Dev does not have the same attachment for Vicky that Soha does for Golu -- it's Golu that Dev can't live without. But she is giving him the subtle message that trust me, you can't win this one without bringing Vicky back into the family. You can't find your happiness (in Golu and Soha's happiness) without the extra baggage of Vicky. I resented her for this moment. This is where Dev's tendency towards short-term solutions in S1, one of the primary causes for the dissolution of his and Sona-s relationship, came from. He was terrified of exactly this feeling of complete alienation from his mother and the rest of his family, and so he kept succumbing to their manipulation, and trying to keep everyone happy. But now, for the sake of his daughter, Dev is facing the thing he feared the most with complete determination.

Elena: People change if they are given a change to change

Elena has observed Dev and Vicky's relationship for seven years. WHEN in that stretch of time did Dev stop Vicky from improving or changing? When has Dev ever held him back or been anything short of encouraging? The fact that Vicky is only displaying this so-called change after Dev kicked him out should be ringing alarm bells in your head, lady, but instead you are too busy punishing the one person who worked behind the scenes so that you could have the illusion of family you so proudly flaunt today. Vicky still has you wound around his little finger, and I would feel bad if you weren't indoctrinating poor, innocent Golu for your self-aggrandising ends.

What annoys me the most about these kinds of dialogues it that it takes all responsibility away from Vicky. Elena made the passive aggressive jibe to Sona that it wasn't their decision whether Vicky comes back to IN or not -- true, it's not. Vicky, who made the choice to do all the horrible things he did, has to make the choice to prove himself worthy of this family again. Yet again, everyone is relying on Dev's agency and magnanimity to forgive Vicky and bring him back; they are frustrated that he is not fulfilling their expectations, and holding him responsible for this separation. It's is blatant victim-blaming, akin to blaming an assault victim for pressing charges because they managed to use self-defense and the rape didn't actually happen.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#65
@DQ: After reading your post, I did some googling about emotional child abuse myself and came across this condition called Parental Alienation. According to the linked Wikipedia article, "Parental alienation is the process, and the result, of the psychological manipulation of a child into showing unwarranted fear, disrespect or hostility towards a parent or other family members." Apparently, it usually happens with the non-custodial parent in a divorce, but in this case, it fits Vicky's behaviour, manipulating Soha to feel alienated from Dev.


This being the case, I am more and more in support of Sona remaining neutral in front of Soha. If she shows blatant solidarity with Dev, and stands against Vicky in an obvious way, then there is a risk of Soha being alienated from her as well and that would be a real crisis.

I too applaud the writers for touching on such a sensitive topic, and representing it without beating us over the head. I hope they do justice to the resolution because I can so imagine Soha being like, "I hurt papa so much; I can never face him! Sab meri galti hai" and Sona thinking to herself, "Not another one!" 🤔😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I do not know whether it is the right thread to discuss this but since it's an analysis thread I wanted to put my thoughts here.
I feel the show is getting illogical now a days, first thing is watching the precap I see that Dev & Sonakshi do not have any idea that the kids have bunked the school for 3 days. Now a days in almost every private school in India more so in a city like Delhi the school sends a message or calls the guardian if their kid does not turn up to school by a certain time, I remember my nephew the days he does not go to school the school sends a message to my sister informing the same. I will not go into the other illogical things regarding the school as that has already been discussed here.

The next thing is why does it seem that more often than not Sonakshi's office meetings are impromptu, I mean she is the owner of the company and she does not have idea of the meetings and on top of that her assistant fixes the meetings and then informs about the same. Normally shouldn't the assistant take Sonakshi's consent before fixing those or at least inform her well before time if a meeting is fixed, I am confused 😕 . In fact her whole office was shifted to her house and her assistant did not even inform her, if I would have been there in that place I would have fired the assistant right at that moment.

Another small thing I noticed is Vicky works in a restaurant as a manager..Now I do not know which restaurant opens so early in the morning as the kids visited him before going to school and on top of that on one hand he said that his boss will not give him permission but he gets time to play with the kids and then follow golu as well to IN 😕

And one final thing Dev being the owner of one of the top company in India and yet the security system in his office is so weak that anybody can come and steal a software which is supposed to be a game changer in the market and surprisingly he knows about it and places a dummy software instead of increasing the cyber as well as physical security at his office 😕

I know not many might agree and maybe this is a lame post but in their want of creating drama CVs are showing things which are far away from reality

Just my POV, no offence.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

It still amazes me that nobody in the family is able to grasp the gravity of Vicky's actions, and it speaks to a dangerous level of trust in Dev's abilities. Dev is desperately trying to communicate that Vicky could have brought them to the streets, but all their minds say is, "but you fixed it like you always do, so what is different this time? Why such a drastic reaction this time?" Somehow Dev is not able to get across the message that, no, this is different because it's not just about greed and mistakes, it's about a deliberate attempt to hurt me and harm those closest to me.

In that vein, some of the dialogues from yesterday (and before) were real doozies

Ishwari: Soha won't be happy until her brother is back, and you won't be happy until your brother is back.

I have loved Ishwari's transformation, but this moment showed that a leopard doesn't really change its spots. She very well knows that Dev does not have the same attachment for Vicky that Soha does for Golu -- it's Golu that Dev can't live without. But she is giving him the subtle message that trust me, you can't win this one without bringing Vicky back into the family. You can't find your happiness (in Golu and Soha's happiness) without the extra baggage of Vicky. I resented her for this moment. This is where Dev's tendency towards short-term solutions in S1, one of the primary causes for the dissolution of his and Sona-s relationship, came from. He was terrified of exactly this feeling of complete alienation from his mother and the rest of his family, and so he kept succumbing to their manipulation, and trying to keep everyone happy. But now, for the sake of his daughter, Dev is facing the thing he feared the most with complete determination.

Elena: People change if they are given a change to change

Elena has observed Dev and Vicky's relationship for seven years. WHEN in that stretch of time did Dev stop Vicky from improving or changing? When has Dev ever held him back or been anything short of encouraging? The fact that Vicky is only displaying this so-called change after Dev kicked him out should be ringing alarm bells in your head, lady, but instead you are too busy punishing the one person who worked behind the scenes so that you could have the illusion of family you so proudly flaunt today. Vicky still has you wound around his little finger, and I would feel bad if you weren't indoctrinating poor, innocent Golu for your self-aggrandising ends.

What annoys me the most about these kinds of dialogues it that it takes all responsibility away from Vicky. Elena made the passive aggressive jibe to Sona that it wasn't their decision whether Vicky comes back to IN or not -- true, it's not. Vicky, who made the choice to do all the horrible things he did, has to make the choice to prove himself worthy of this family again. Yet again, everyone is relying on Dev's agency and magnanimity to forgive Vicky and bring him back; they are frustrated that he is not fulfilling their expectations, and holding him responsible for this separation. It's is blatant victim-blaming, akin to blaming an assault victim for pressing charges because they managed to use self-defense and the rape didn't actually happen.


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Loved it Sam. Just what made me angry yesterday and you have so fluently described my views😃
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Posted: 8 years ago
#68
@Sam..@Shaavi..@DQ great posts .. everyone is on a roll here...

What really stood out for me was the last scene of today's episode 👏 how the tables have turned in the eyes of everyone..

Point to be noted... Dev kidnaps Golu without the consent of his parents .. while a Vicky comes to the door and says the kids should be in school.. in fact Dev took Golu without our permission.. and Right now both Golu and Soha should be in school..

Did you'll see Dev's expression when Soha and Golu were ready to go to school with Vicky..

Vicky is one up against Dev.. it's like all of sudden he's a hero in the eyes of everyone.. Only Dev is not convinced.. but everyone else ... is falling for Vicky's tricks!

Irony.. the kids are bunking and going with Vicky... no wonder they've been having so much fun are close to him!

Once Vicky is successful in his plan.. that's what we have to see.. and I think he's targeting Suhana.. where Dev will be hurt the most!

But I see a Vicky finally going to jail.. and Elena and Golu leaving him for good, because after this I don't see them reconciling.. the trust is so hard to get back... fooling his wife.. child.. Mother .. family ..What else is left!!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#69
@Aarcha, i agree devakshi should give more time to Suhana right now. n I feel Suhana's constant "I m ignored" and "u dnt give me time" is to hide her own guilt of telling lies. The trio need some exclusive time, which i don't see them getting before Vicky returns.

In Mahua's words, I am waiting for Vicky's comeback more than Elena and mamiji. 😆 Honestly I am fed of watching Devakshi like this. Everyone is behaving as if its Dev who did some crime by throwing Vicky out of the house. So let him come back and Devakshi should go on long vacation and let golu and soha get pampered by chahchu and beautiful. N rest of the family an also see Vicky's true colors. Let him throw all out and Devakshi can then return to save them. but until then enjoy and let us also breathe.

I have one doubt. Do u guys think Asha knows about Vicky's role in Bose house eviction? I couldn't connect with her ooh so cool and practical kind of reaction yesterday.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ Lakshmi. Ceasefire ! n I respect u'r views ..😊
@ aarcha

Thanks. It is a show only. It's OK to have different outlooks.

I wonder why Asha did not call up Dev to find out what happened. She heard Elena's version only and applauded her for supporting Vikky . She is not wrong since she meant as a wife Elena should stand by her husband when he is in trouble.

But I definitely wish to see Asha go deeper into the matter,call up Dev and analyse the situation. She is the only one who can be sensible and reasonable while judging Dev's reaction to Vikky's crime. Elena must have given her a different picture stressing on Vikky's great determination to change himself.

Previously the makers showed how Asha's equation with both Iswari and Dev emerged strong and beautiful. Iswari used to share everything with her during her job times and at the time of Dev's remarriage track. But now Iswari did not share anything about Vikky and his misdeeds. She should have informed Asha that Vikky is the main culprit in separation.Asha has a right to know that since they are the ones suffered due to Vikky's brutal deeds like eviction..

Asha would have advised Iswari not to meddle in Dev's decision since Vikky's offence is not restricted to Dixit family but it turned out a crime towards Dev's profession /business. The way Iswari is diluting Vikky's crime and hinting Dev that he needs his brother is just not acceptable. I feel only Asha can enlighten her about her wrong ways of judging Dev's decision to throw Vikky out.

Moreover Asha is the Nani who literally took care of Soha in her growing up years. She would be successful in sensing Soha's mindset and could infuse good sense into her mind. Generally kids interact better with grand parents and share their feelings.


I really wish Asha should take Liberty to meddle with whatever is happening in Iswari Nivas and discuss the matters with Iswari and Dev.




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