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diksha710

@diksha710

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Posted: 8 years ago

#151

Originally posted by: cscs

Diksha, i think its Dr. Bose specializes in case of Mr. Dixit only. 😆

N it reminds me of season one scene, where dev trims for video call and sona sees the trimmer on his bed. :v

That's true Charu 🤪I was actually seeing that episode only and remembered yesterday's scene while watching it. 😆

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Drcs

@Drcs

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Posted: 8 years ago

#152

"People find it far easier to forgive others for being wrong than being right" Thanks Geena for this wonderful quote, this has been playing in mind for quite long. When Katri was introduced I had silent wish to the PH and CV, "PL DON'T SHOW ANY ILLICIT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HIM AND ISHWARI" because that will be demeaning the efforts of a young widow who has fought with all odds to give a respectable future for her offspring. Indian Tele series are flooded with such indecent proposals. Let KRPKAB be unique. And CVs for a change granted my wish and they showed "theft" as the reason for the age old blackmail drama. (Since we have dissected and evaluated the associated rights and wrongs of theft, I am not going into those details.) In my opinion, the above quote elucidate why Ishwari could never accept Sonakshi at the same time whole- heatedly accept RR and her misdemeanor. In the light of her hidden crime, Ishwari must have been always under guilt and it got deepened as she was unable to share her inner turmoil with anyone. On top of that whenever people within and outside family appreciated her for single handedly uplifting the family's condition that would have aggravated her inner mayhem. Moreover her son showered her with his incessant adoration, her guilt would have penetrated deeper and her heart would have powdered and her insecurities into hard rocky layers. Because the biggest punishment to anyone is undue appreciation which you derive which you don't deserve. Having RR in her life gave her some sort of comfort and helped her to free her from guilt, because she was comparing herself with a lesser mortal like RR who was with all vices. She never controlled RR because it was her own way of mollifying herself that what she did was circumstantial and she has committed a crime only once where as people like RR are there who are worse than her. So it was easier for her to forgive RR for being wrong. She could forgive RR when she stole money from her purse and I can now relate to her gingerly reaction because she must have been comparing her condition with RR's. Then Sonakshi entered into their life. Being a shrewd person she could understand the goodness in Sonakshi. She saw in Sonakshi all qualities what she would have liked to see in her daughters. And she knew that Sonakshi is the perfect choice for a noble soul like Dev. But her deep-rooted insecurities and the guilt in her never allowed her to accept Sonakshi. She knew that in course of time Dev would lean to Sonakshi and her place in his life will be replaced by Sonakshi. This is where she went wrong because her hidden guilt and insecurities prevented her to think rationally and assure that her son and DiL have genuine love for her. So whenever Sonakshi faltered or trembled in her new relationships, Ishwari found it difficult to forgive her inspite of knowing that Sonakshi is right and her intentions are noble. Her own daughter left her sasural because her husband was reluctant to live separately. As a sparkling contrast Sonakshi happily shared Dev with his family members and her gestures towards the family members demonstrated her sacrificing and sharing nature. She knew the magnanimity of Sonakshi but was unwilling to forgive or correct her when she faltered. What she held against sonakshi were all empty defenses to cover her guilt and insecurities. This is what she explicitly stated to RR, sonakshi is different from us but she is good. So sonakshi' s goodness prevented Ishwari to forgive her where as it was easier for her to forgive RR for her vices.

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diksha710

@diksha710

Dazzler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#153

Originally posted by: Drcs
"People find it far easier to forgive others for being wrong than being right" Thanks Geena for this wonderful quote, this has been playing in mind for quite long. When Katri was introduced I had silent wish to the PH and CV, "PL DON'T SHOW ANY ILLICIT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HIM AND ISHWARI" because that will be demeaning the efforts of a young widow who has fought with all odds to give a respectable future for her offspring. Indian Tele series are flooded with such indecent proposals. Let KRPKAB be unique. And CVs for a change granted my wish and they showed "theft" as the reason for the age old blackmail drama. (Since we have dissected and evaluated the associated rights and wrongs of theft, I am not going into those details.) In my opinion, the above quote elucidate why Ishwari could never accept Sonakshi at the same time whole- heatedly accept RR and her misdemeanor. In the light of her hidden crime, Ishwari must have been always under guilt and it got deepened as she was unable to share her inner turmoil with anyone. On top of that whenever people within and outside family appreciated her for single handedly uplifting the family's condition that would have aggravated her inner mayhem. Moreover her son showered her with his incessant adoration, her guilt would have penetrated deeper and her heart would have powdered and her insecurities into hard rocky layers. Because the biggest punishment to anyone is undue appreciation which you derive which you don't deserve. Having RR in her life gave her some sort of comfort and helped her to free her from guilt, because she was comparing herself with a lesser mortal like RR who was with all vices. She never controlled RR because it was her own way of mollifying herself that what she did was circumstantial and she has committed a crime only once where as people like RR are there who are worse than her. So it was easier for her to forgive RR for being wrong. She could forgive RR when she stole money from her purse and I can now relate to her gingerly reaction because she must have been comparing her condition with RR's. Then Sonakshi entered into their life. Being a shrewd person she could understand the goodness in Sonakshi. She saw in Sonakshi all qualities what she would have liked to see in her daughters. And she knew that Sonakshi is the perfect choice for a noble soul like Dev. But her deep-rooted insecurities and the guilt in her never allowed her to accept Sonakshi. She knew that in course of time Dev would lean to Sonakshi and her place in his life will be replaced by Sonakshi. This is where she went wrong because her hidden guilt and insecurities prevented her to think rationally and assure that her son and DiL have genuine love for her. So whenever Sonakshi faltered or trembled in her new relationships, Ishwari found it difficult to forgive her inspite of knowing that Sonakshi is right and her intentions are noble. Her own daughter left her sasural because her husband was reluctant to live separately. As a sparkling contrast Sonakshi happily shared Dev with his family members and her gestures towards the family members demonstrated her sacrificing and sharing nature. She knew the magnanimity of Sonakshi but was unwilling to forgive or correct her when she faltered. What she held against sonakshi were all empty defenses to cover her guilt and insecurities. This is what she explicitly stated to RR, sonakshi is different from us but she is good. So sonakshi' s goodness prevented Ishwari to forgive her where as it was easier for her to forgive RR for her vices.

Brilliant anaylsis on the relationship between Sona, Ishwari and RR. 😃

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Samanalyse

@Samanalyse

Sparkler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#154

Originally posted by: Harryfan011
And, the same applies to you @Sam for your interpretation of Sona's choice of dress for the dinner at the Dixits... And, how could I forget your amazing interpretation of Dev finally embracing the role of 'driver' in his and Sona's relationship...

Both of you really blow my mind away...

The only explanation that comes to my mind is the obsession that women have with clothes and fashion... Not judging, just commenting...

And, can I ask both of you a question?? It will sound eerily similar to Dev's question to Sona, 'Do you really try to decode everyone's inner psyche by observing their clothes or are Dev and Sonakshi an exception??'

Suyash, thanks for appreciating the observations. Your comment about women being obsessed with fashion is an overgeneralisation, and comes off a bit sexist. I know you didn't intend that, but it's important not to ignore all of the women who aren't really interested in fashion and all of the men who are. Each individual is different, no? 😊

As someone who is extremely interested in fashion, I do tend to notice what people wear in general, and I think it says a lot about them. What we wear is one of the most basic ways we have to express our personalities. Even when you don't pay much attention to your clothes, you are still making choices about what you want your appearance to convey -- fashion is about being aware, and taking ownership, of those choices.

In fiction, it takes on a whole new meaning because the characters' choices are governed by the choices of the writers and creatives, and often they contribute to the story. The ways in which clothing is woven into the plot (pun totally intended! 😎) on KRPKAP has been both explicit -- Sona telling Dev to wear bright colours, Mami always wanting to take Ishwari's sarees, Neha's lehenga, Sona's lehenga vs. saree -- and implicit.

With Sona's clothing after the leap (since her clothes came up in yesterday's episode), there has been a very strong implicit message. All of her clothes are made of those stiff, monochrome brocades which indicate both her newfound wealth and her self-identification as an independent and self-sufficient woman. They stand in contrast to the varied, multicolored, and flowing kurtas she used to wear in pre and post-marriage, when she had room for whimsy in her life and played many roles. Her comment yesterday about all of these outfits being the same indicated that she is just now noticing how "monochromatic" her life has been these past seven years -- she has focused only on one aspect of herself. Now, with this benaam ristha with Dev unfolding, she finds herself wanting to be more than the stiff woman who wears these stiff brocades.

@Latha: Totally agree with you on the clarity. With information flowing on all sides now, things are bound to fall into place. In S1, the willful ignorance of Dev combined with the wilful concealment by Sona and Ishwari caused most of the problems they faced. Now Dev not only has Sona, but the door has been opened to the Boses and especially Asha, who is there to support him without judgment. Dev really needed that kind of guidance to fall back on when he was unsure of himself, and with the proper encouragement, he now has the confidence to face both Sona's and Ishwari's insecurities head on and deal with them intelligently.

@Lakshmi: Of course there was a lack of communication from Sona's side also. As I have tried to say many times on this forum, commenting on one character does not automatically let the other one off the hook/villify them. There were many ways that both Dev and Sona could have done much better when they were married. Sona could have communicated better or Dev could have taken the responsibility to know what Sona was facing at her new home. Both would have had a similar effect; neither happened. Now at least, one of them started the process towards progress in their relationship, and the other is naturally doing their part as a result. I am happy that we are finally moving, no matter who started the car. 😆

Thanks to all who appreciated my posts! 😃

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

Sparkler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#155

What i feel Shaavi is Ishwari already knows that Sona is a good person. Infact as an individual she respects Sona. She has seen sona in various roles and have appreciated them too. The problem arises when Dev comes into picture. She likes her but as her son also likes her, it results in fear and insecurities. Until now all her decisions regarding Sona has been frced on her. She has said yes in the influence of Dev and mamaji. Firstly it was for her son's happiness and then because of fear of losing her son and also when mamaji accused her spoiling dev's life. According to her she has not done anything wrong and when people accuse her of being a villain, she immediately changes herself, whether it is acceptable for her or not.

For Sona, she has two images, one as a person whom she respects and another as his son's wife. As a person she respects her and is grateful to her; the scene just after malti kajal accepted her apology, she hugged sona and kissed her hands. It was a natural gesture from her side and she was seeing sona as a person who helped her to come out of guilt. After that when mami started her banter, she started taking sona's goodness overpowering her ex DIL image. She know sona is a good person but when it get influenced by her DIL image, she panics. She herself has admitted that sonakshi is too good that she fears Dev going away from her.

I am not sayng mamaji should not guide ishwari but in that particular scene i felt ishwari needed her brother more than dev's mamaji or a philosopher. She wanted to be consoled and assured that even after knowing the truth, her brother is still the same.

While Dev is doing everything smartly, mamaji is making it very obvious.

@ Charu

Beautiful analysis on Iswari's mindset.just perfect.

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#156

Great posts Sam. I wanted to further build up on what Dev is doing and how Sona but Boses in general (including Jatin) are responding to Dev's language of love...

Dev is such an Ishwari when it comes to expression of gratitude when she chose to. The way he went all out with them is signature Dev-ishwari.

Dev and sona both know that cordial relationship between the two families is very important for Soha to experience her version of a normal childhood. Soha craves for love and attention from both sides. And they know that walking on eggshells can only happen for so long. After sona resigned to her baba's demand about her relationship with Dev, she also numbed and started slipping in that coma that Dev has just started coming out of. And Thank God Dev spotted her on his way out.

Dev heard mami and Ishwari. It's hard to say why Ishwari did what she did in the hospital. Was it for the reason Dev thinks or was it because she didn't want much batangad with mami? Either way, he took the control in his hand but did it in a manner that empowers both Ishwari and Sona. He made Ishwari do it and made it ample clear that he understands she is doing it for his happiness. Then with Sona, he did it in a way that doesn't make her feel that she is powerless (which in a lot of ways she is now)... instead he made it look like a treat to her. "You can solve all the problems in the world. Let me do this one for you while you put your feet up wifey err dost"

He is fixing the mistakes that weren't all his, but affect his immediate family i.e. soha, sona and dev. He is doing what someone (in my opinion mamaji) should have done years ago. Reached out to the Boses one.last.time!!!

And the Boses are following Dev's lead on this salsa now. This is exactly what Bijoy had been waiting for. It's late and so he will take time to thaw. Special mention to Ronita and Jatin's (over enthusiastic in Jatin's case) punchy responses to vicky and mami. These are two people who have only heard what the Boses trixit dirty dancing can look like. And thus are able to punch harder. Jatin was cordial to Ishwari. Which means he has heard both Bijoy and Sona's side of the story but he knows it's vicky and mami who are the nastier party here. Whether this salsa will continue such that partners match steps or not is yet to be seen.

Dev has also started empowering himself. And that in itself is such a relief. Once he snapped that umbilical cord, he was able to apply Ishwari's EQ rich gyan to his own life. Like Sam said, he has started gathering together pieces of himself and sonakshi rather than brushing them under the carpet. He has started owning the relationship that Ishwari reminded him devakshi hadn't taken care of.

Mamaji too has started talking some sense again. It was great to see him acknowledge that as much as Ishwari makes him believe that he did lots of ehsaan... he was not capable of applying the ointment and so his younger sister had to resort to theft.

Also to add Sam, about the dresses... he was Grey blue and black Dixit. She has now sadly become brocade, silk and stiff Bose

Grace, I think those scenes were there to emphasis how the story is moving. Ishwari is no more a God. She is part of a family. And that house is now ready to embrace it's "apne"

PS: in making this post, I am not absolving anyone of their mistakes. We are all entitled to our own vision of whose mistake it was and how they should repent. This is not a a vs b post.

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Enlightened21

@Enlightened21

Rocker

Posted: 8 years ago

#157

Originally posted by: Drcs
"People find it far easier to forgive others for being wrong than being right" Thanks Geena for this wonderful quote, this has been playing in mind for quite long. When Katri was introduced I had silent wish to the PH and CV, "PL DON'T SHOW ANY ILLICIT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HIM AND ISHWARI" because that will be demeaning the efforts of a young widow who has fought with all odds to give a respectable future for her offspring. Indian Tele series are flooded with such indecent proposals. Let KRPKAB be unique. And CVs for a change granted my wish and they showed "theft" as the reason for the age old blackmail drama. (Since we have dissected and evaluated the associated rights and wrongs of theft, I am not going into those details.) In my opinion, the above quote elucidate why Ishwari could never accept Sonakshi at the same time whole- heatedly accept RR and her misdemeanor. In the light of her hidden crime, Ishwari must have been always under guilt and it got deepened as she was unable to share her inner turmoil with anyone. On top of that whenever people within and outside family appreciated her for single handedly uplifting the family's condition that would have aggravated her inner mayhem. Moreover her son showered her with his incessant adoration, her guilt would have penetrated deeper and her heart would have powdered and her insecurities into hard rocky layers. Because the biggest punishment to anyone is undue appreciation which you derive which you don't deserve. Having RR in her life gave her some sort of comfort and helped her to free her from guilt, because she was comparing herself with a lesser mortal like RR who was with all vices. She never controlled RR because it was her own way of mollifying herself that what she did was circumstantial and she has committed a crime only once where as people like RR are there who are worse than her. So it was easier for her to forgive RR for being wrong. She could forgive RR when she stole money from her purse and I can now relate to her gingerly reaction because she must have been comparing her condition with RR's. Then Sonakshi entered into their life. Being a shrewd person she could understand the goodness in Sonakshi. She saw in Sonakshi all qualities what she would have liked to see in her daughters. And she knew that Sonakshi is the perfect choice for a noble soul like Dev. But her deep-rooted insecurities and the guilt in her never allowed her to accept Sonakshi. She knew that in course of time Dev would lean to Sonakshi and her place in his life will be replaced by Sonakshi. This is where she went wrong because her hidden guilt and insecurities prevented her to think rationally and assure that her son and DiL have genuine love for her. So whenever Sonakshi faltered or trembled in her new relationships, Ishwari found it difficult to forgive her inspite of knowing that Sonakshi is right and her intentions are noble. Her own daughter left her sasural because her husband was reluctant to live separately. As a sparkling contrast Sonakshi happily shared Dev with his family members and her gestures towards the family members demonstrated her sacrificing and sharing nature. She knew the magnanimity of Sonakshi but was unwilling to forgive or correct her when she faltered. What she held against sonakshi were all empty defenses to cover her guilt and insecurities. This is what she explicitly stated to RR, sonakshi is different from us but she is good. So sonakshi' s goodness prevented Ishwari to forgive her where as it was easier for her to forgive RR for her vices.

Wonderful post Chitra...Infact, when I was reading your post I was thinking of the day when Sona found out RR stealing from Ishwari's purse. From that day till now, I used to wonder when, not even her parents got that intuition, why Ishwari got that intuition of something bad happening, when Sona had the accident. Now, reading your post & clubbing it with Sam's post that Sona was an angel sent by God to deliver Ishwari, I got two answers. And I would request all of you here to put your take on which point do you believe in?

1. It was a soul to soul connection of something happening to her deliverer, as per Sam's post OR

2. It was a result of her fear of how everyone, especially Dev, will change the way they see her, once she was exposed like RR, as per Drcs's above post.

P.S. Btw, how many of you yesterday notice the subtle change in expression (kind of fear) in Supriyaji's face when Mamaji mentions Khatri's name. Erica is a queen in this area. But, first time I am noticing it in Supriyaji's acting.

Edited by grace4317 - 8 years ago