*Season 2, Week 18* Analysis Thread - Page 35

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Posted: 8 years ago
Shavi, what is your take on the promo?
Regarding iswari- Mami conversation,their look exchange?
The fact that iswari didn't drink water given by asha/ medicine given by Mami
I have one doubt, shavi - iswari whom we saw in first 80 episodes was quite powerful.
She knew how to tackle Mami.
Especially In the first few episodes of neha' s engagement.
She was indebted to her.
She didn't allow her to take advantage at any point.
So what happened now?
Why is she so scared of Mami ?
If that is the case why can't she discuss with her brother??
Even Dev knew how to keep her in place in initial episodes.
How come all of a sudden Mami became so powerful??
Does evil need to win all the time??
Please put across ur points, shavi.
One more thing-now that Dev has overheard iswari- Mami conversation- what could be his reaction?
Will he decide to marry the girl of iswari/ Mami's choice.
He looked defeated.
Decode please
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Posted: 8 years ago
Hey all, great discussions on the past few pages. I have been taking a small break from writing because, like many of you, the last two episodes confused me quite a bit. The overall story was just what we predicted but the really juicy bits were in the details, and it took me a while to see that. As @timbarucha said, we are constantly expecting to see this huge confrontation between Dev and Ishwari, where he declares in an echo-ey voice that she is no longer his god, but is just a human woman who has her own desires. We also anticipate this big break down from Ishwari where she confesses all of her sins and begs forgiveness from Dev and Sona. And in waiting for these big, obvious moments, we miss the small ways in which these changes are indeed taking place.

Ishwari's dialogue to Dev about sorting through difficult issues instead of throwing a blanket over them was one such detail. This has been one of Dev's key flaws through out the story. Instead of confrontimg problems head on, he tries to ignore them and move forward. While this attitude worked perfectly for survival mode, when they couldn't afford to look back, it became a huge issue when Dev attempted to transition out of survival mode into, let's call it "life" mode with Sona. As DQ often says, the Dixit family hadn't yet learned how to work out their first world problems before they were thrown into them head first. Ishwari is pointing this trait of Dev's out now, and I have a feeling it is going to play a part in how the precap unfolds. Ishwari herself has thrown a chaddar over her problems in the last seven years, which is what has allowed Mami to take over the household. Something tells me Ishwari has begun to "samet" her affairs and take charge of her life once more.

I have said before, Dev echoes Ishwari's behaviour to a great extent -- when she is strong and stands by her principles, he is able to as well. The more she is weak, and falls prey to her insecurities, the more he is lost and unable to face difficult situations. I am hoping that she provides the example he so badly needs from now on.

Dev saying that he doesn't have to forgive Ishwari? On the one hand, it can be read as Dev brushing Ishwari's mistakes aside again, but in another sense, it's Dev telling her that it isn't his forgiveness that matters. From his perspective, she acted only for his benefit and he did benefit from her actions. She didn't wrong him in any way, so his forgiveness is irrelevant. And that is precisely when the relevant party walks in. As for Malti touching Ishwari's feet, it was melodramatic, but she did just realise that she might have killed someone who didn't actually ruin her life. This is what I meant the other day when I said you can be a victim and a perpetrator at the same time, and one doesn't exempt you from the other. Malti felt that had Ishwari died, she would have had blood on her hands, so she asked forgiveness for almost killing Ishwari. Ishwari and Dev could have taken advantage of this relief and goodwill and left it there, but they insisted on making Malti and Kajal their responsibility, thereby accepting the consequences of their actions rather than hiding behind the intentions.

Same with Sona. Instead of just lamenting that her interference had caused so much turmoil when she had such good intentions, she followed through and made the attempt to "samet" the issues she had opened up and caused to scatter, with devastating ripple effect. And I kind of liked the fact that she relied on Jatin and Saurabh for support, thereby allowing Dev to be there for Ishwari. Much like Dev didn't need Sona to take care of him when he was sick, Sona didn't need Dev to literally be there as her bodyguard. They need each other on different plane altogether and more importantly, they want each other; that is what they need to realise. In order to deal with this Khatri issue, properly, Dev and Ishwari needed someone who cared just as much as they did but wasn't as emotionally involved, someone who didn't collapse/go into a fit of blind rage in the face of these issues. My super-optimistic prediction is that soon, Ishwari and Dev will be there for Sona in the same way when she faces her Baba's fears and, hopefully, Mrs. Mandal's as well.

Yup, that is my answer. Blind optimism, because, why not? 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Tia. Thanks for the detailed response. Lets agree to disagree. 😃 . In your post you have outlined the "sins" committed by Ishwari. But from my perspective Ishwari and Sonakshi are like 2 sides of the same coin. Both committed "sins" against each other and ruined each others happiness. That is if Ishwari ruined Sonakshi's happiness, Sonakshi ruined Ishwari's. Both wanted to be "the most important person" in Dev's life. Both wanted him to follow their value system and considered only their value system as right. Neither one was ready to even see if there was rightness in other ones value system or not.
As you said "Repentance is the activity of reviewing one's actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs. ". Here neither Ishwari nor Sonakshi have reviewed their actions in detail during the time Dev and Sonakshi were married. When one has not reviewed their actions and felt that it was wrong, one cannot really repent for the same. Similarly if they were repenting for something else while committing a new "sin", that they were not aware of, it does not taint that repentance in any way. The process of repentance for both these ladies is yet to begin. One maybe more than the other, but both of them needs to realize their mistakes of their past actions and admit that they were wrong.

If Ishwari was wrong in not including Sonakshi during Dev's midnight birthday celebration, Sonakshi was not faultless either. She failed to inform Ishwari about their midnight plans. If Sonakshi did not differentiate between her parents and Ishwari and thought of the later as her "mother", why did she fail to inform her of the plans that she did not feel like hiding from the Boses. It was shown that Boses knew of the plan. So where exactly did she think or act like Asha and Ishwari were the same for her. Asha used to scold her for not learning cooking. But Sonakshi would make fun of it and not really take it to heart. But when Ishwari told her to focus on what she was good at and take time to learn the new things, Sonakshi became aggressive and took it as a challenge. If we say Ishwari failed to understand Sonakshi, then Sonakshi failed to understand Ishwari too. Both of them tried to accept the other on their terms, not as they were.

Sonakshi interfered in Neha's life and became the catalyst in a way due to which Neha applied for divorce. She did not stop herself from interfering even when she was told multiple times not to do so. Which resulted in Ranveer putting a case of mental torture, which had the consequence of Dev getting Ranveer thrown out of his job which could have very well resulted in the ruin of Ranveer's family. The disaster was only averted because of Neha, who asked Dev to give back the job. If Neha had not done so, then the "sin" of ruining Ranveer's family was on Sonakshi, not on Dev or the Dixits. It was the result of Sonakshi's interference without taking the concerned peoples feelings into account which caused it. Very similar to Ishwari's theft. Meaning Ishwari was thinking that she was taking just 2 bangles. She did not think a family would be ruined by it. Similarly Sonakshi thought that she was trying to unite Neha and Ranveer for their love and happiness. She did not foresee these consequences that happened.

For Ishwari her repentance regarding the theft only ended if she could fall at her employers feet whom she had wronged and begged for forgiveness. Everything else was just the trailer for the main picture. She tried to lessen her guilt by trying to ensure that no one else she knew were placed in a position similar to her. That they would not be desperate where they would have to compromise on their values. I am not saying Ishwari did no wrong when she stole the bangles. She definitely did and the CVs never showed that she was forgiven for that. Malti never once said I forgive you for what you did. She just said I knew you couldn't do such a big crime. But did not say you did not commit a crime. Malti was shown to still resent that Ishwari harmed her family. But reduced the magnitude of it that's all. Ishwari now has acknowledged that she wronged them and has gotten rid of that guilt.

In the quest of maintaining their importance in Dev's life, both Sonakshi and Ishwari became insecure. And in their insecurity, they both did things that hurt not just each other, but hurt Dev very badly. When Sonakshi asked Dev to arrange his cupboard by himself and when he failed, if Sonakshi saw that Dev lied to her and saw Ishwari as the cause of her unhappiness, Ishwari saw her son who was the CEO feeling embarrassed and insulted that he wore 2 different colored socks to office and also burnt his fingers while ironing leading to her unhappiness. The whole of the marriage time, both Ishwari and Sonakshi were unhappy by each others actions, while were happy when Dev sided by them, accepted what they said as right. If Dev did not take their side, they would become unhappy. In their tug of war Dev lost.

When Dev and Sonakshi talked, it was always Dev who talked of children, especially wanting a girl child. Yet he had to lose 6 years of not being able to see her. Has Sonakshi not "sinned" here. We can say she came back, but Ishwari refused to let her meet Dev. But did Sonakshi inform him of her being pregnant, or that she had had a baby. Couldn't she call him. I mean even after all these years Sonakshi is shown to have Dev's number. She never once thought of calling him. The birth certificate of Soha doesn't have Dev's name on it, yet she kept that position sacred for him?.

If Ishwari is to repent for her sins, then even Sona needs to do that. I feel the whole thing was a blunder with contribution from many people. Sonakshi's unhappiness was not just the result of Ishwari's actions, but it was also the result of her own actions and expectations. This is the same with Ishwari too. Both ishwari and Sona needs to meet halfway and not reject the other ones words and claim that only they are correct. If Ishwari needs to realize that she is not "God", Sonakshi needs to realize that she is neither "Perfect" nor someone who "never makes mistakes".

This is my pov. Lets agree to disagree. 😊


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Posted: 8 years ago


It's oh so quiet
Shh shh
It's oh so still
Shh shh
You're all alone
Shh shh
And so peaceful until
You fall in love
Zing boom
The sky up above
Zing boom
Is caving in
Wow bam

'Til it's over and then
Shh shh
It's nice and quiet
Shh shh
But soon again
Shh shh
hhh hhh
Starts another big riot 🤣




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Posted: 8 years ago
@Deepa, glad you are back. 😃 . Nice poem, suits KRPKAB very well. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
@ shaavi what happened my dear? I used to love your writeup which used to be sooo unbiased, crisp, enduring and heartwarming...may be it's only me I find the above post so much single tracked where you have compared a 'THEFT" to a young newly married girl's desire to spend her husband's birthday alone so that rest of his day he can spend with his family. How can this noble thought be compared to a crime? I can counter each of the points quoted above to absolve Sonakshi. ...but really caught up with busy schedule...but couldn't help myself from replying...hope dear you don't mind me expressing my views blatantly ...I always do that when I feel the other person is matured enough to accept a constructive feedback...hope you don't mind...my response is due to my sheer disappointment as you are one the few writers I look up and always v eager to read also🤗
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Chits, thanks for your honest feedback. I really appreciate it. That correlation was a spin off from Tia's post where she had mentioned hosw Ishwari saw Sonakshi in a similar way as herself. If Ishwari stole those bangles, in a way didn't Sonakshi "steal" Dev from Ishwari's perspective. I am not saying that everything Ishwari did was correct and that she did not do anything wrong. What I am saying is whatever happened was not just her mistake alone. If we say Ishwari "sinned" by not sharing Dev, Sonakshi "sinned" by forcing Ishwari to do things against her will. Where there should have been both of them acknowledging the other, both wanted the other not to be acknowledged the way they wanted. What I mean is Ishwari wanted Dev to say that she was more important to him in his life than Sonakshi. While Sonakshi wanted the same where she was the most important person in his life compared to Ishwari. Inadvertently they both have failed to realize the consequences of their actions till now.

What I am trying to say is if taking bribe is wrong, then giving bribe is wrong too. Similarly if taking dowry is a crime, giving it is a crime too. Likewise if what Ishwari did is a crime and sin, then what Sonakshi did is no different. I am just equating both of them for that marriage phase where both played tug of war with Dev as the rope. If Sonakshi's intentions were noble, then Ishwari's were too in its own way. The jhula that Sonakshi brought to fulfill her dream caused so much pain to Dev that he ended up limping for quite sometime. If Sonakshi could understand Dev so well, why couldn't she understand his pain or feelings during the marriage phase. Why did she need Asha to translate Dev's feelings from time to time.

If Ishwari's theft of bangles let Khatri commit a bigger crime and ruin that family, Sonakshi's relationship with Dev gave way to GKB to ruin the Dixits. During Natasha too GKB was greedy, but wasn't bent upon ruining Dev or the Dixits. It is Sonakshi's entry which gave that opening to RR and Vickky to commit all those crimes. Did Ishwari foresee the consequences of her theft. No. But in a way Sonakshi was partly aware of that truth. Yet she chose to not reveal it to Dev. When Bijoy blamed Dev that he should have stopped Vickky from making Elena elope with him, if Sonakshi was really noble who was aware of that relationship should have spoken up and told Bijoy that Dev was not at fault. Why did Sonakshi never once defend Dev in front of Bijoy. Why is she so tongue tied. If the response is that she wants to be the perfect daughter giving perfect response to Bijoy's questions, then I am not ok in saying that she is right or righteous. One has to accept the consequences of their actions good or bad.



By not being honest and truthful with Dev, Sonakshi did wrong to Dev. He was blindsided. In one of the recent episodes, Elena tells Sonakshi that you are angry with your self cause you couldn't love him. Why couldn't Sonakshi share herself with Dev. Why was she not able to keep Dev in the loop be it during Elena or Neha's time. Even during Ayaans track, Dev came to know what Sonakshi thought only when he got to know her actions accidentally. Why couldn't Sonakshi tell the truth to Dev and use a similar argument that she used after she was found by him to convince him. Similarly she knew what Vickky or RR were doing. Why couldn't she talk to Dev even once about it. Did she not see Dev defend her when Vickky bad mouthed her. She should have given him what she expected from him.

Sorry if I hurt anyone. It is not intentional. It is just that for me Ishwari is not a monster nor Sonakshi is a saint. They both are humans who are flawed and made mistakes.
Edited by Shaavi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
At this point of time I want the story to move like this.
Sonakshi rushed fast. She is already late. Her new clients will come to meet her sharp 11'o clock. It is already 10. As she opened the car door Gunni came with the hot pack. The car raced ahead with Sonakshi removing her spectacles and lying back." Make it fast" she instructed the driver.

Two years passed since she and Dev refused to unite together in marriage. Iswari was disappointed. She almost touched her feet to make it happen. But it is Dev who stood his ground." It won't happen maa. I can't bear another separation...to avoid that we should not unite."

She knew her father was too happy to hear those words. But he has to bear the heartbreak of not seeing his daughter marry Jatin.

Radharani failed to make Dev agree to marry another girl. He was firm in his decision.

Vicky's crimes got exposed when he tried to reveal Iswari's theft to media. Luckily she alerted Dev who managed paparazzi in his own method... The Dev Dixit method.

Dev sent Vicky to Mumbai where Iswari Communications new venture started." If you don't mend your ways I will see to it that no one will offer you a job. Mind it." He warned. Elena stayed back with Golu. She got her rude shock after knowing Vicky's role in their seven year separation.

Mamaji and RadhaRani stayed with Vicky . Bijoy Bose changed his base to Calcutta. He was miffed with Suhana who preferred to stay in hostel rather than coming with him to Calcutta. Asha reluctantly accompanied him leaving Gunni to take care of her.

Saurabh and Ronita went to London for one year. Saurabh needs to stay there along with Jatin.

Yes the dearest daughter of Dev Dixit doesn't want to stay with her single parents. She will come for weekends and she Sonakshi has to stay with Dev mostly in IN. Dev did not stop Suhana." If we marry for Soha and again have differences her heart will break. I am used to not having her around for six years. It's OK." He said. But she knew he desparately waits for the weekend to fetch his princess back home. ...Sonakshi opened her eyes as she reached her destination. She still shares her office with Dev Dixit.

It is past 11o clock when she entered her cabin. Through her glass doors she saw her clients chatting happily with Dev. Both are ladies in their thirties and are reasonably good looking.

Sonakshi saw her PA go to that cabin to tell them that she is in. But Sona could clearly see them get up halfheartedly . Dev stood up and shook hands with them . She could see his smile that stretched to his eyes . The ladies followed her PA but she could see the Dev Dixit effect on them.

Her clients got inside and complemented." Dev Dixit is so down to earth. Nice meeting him. " Sonakshi wanted to throw the paperweight that she is holding on them...for sure.

After one hour she heard the knock on her door. Dev peeped in and raised his eyebrows." Sorry to disturb. Time to pick up Suhana from hostel. Are you coming?"

Sonakshi got up took her hand bag and bid adieu to her clients who are too interested in turning their backs to look at Dev. " Leave the information with my PA . See you soon."

I really hope to see the show take this turn. Strictly my view.

Lakshmi

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Posted: 8 years ago
@shaavi ...more than the response I am relieved that you weren't offended by my feedback...thanks buddy...after my post I was so upset thinking OMG for a fictional character did I hurt her?...in the airport launge as soon as I got net connection first thing I did was checking whether you responded? Then only I msged my family...I think Dev's impulsive behaviour is rubbing on me🤣...bcoz I seldom do such things...anyways will respond to you once I get free time😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Shaavi, all your reasoning to make Ishwari and Sona 2 faces of same coin doesn't make sense to me.I do agree Sona is not perfect but still please don't make Ishwari and Sona weigh in same balance. One thing is for sure Sona is never cunning and she has never try to hurt someone intentionally. But Ishwari has done that.
Sorry to disagree.

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