*Season 2, Week 18* Analysis Thread - Page 37

Originally posted by: timbarucha83

Hi Everyone!!!Finally I get the time to put my thoughts for last two episodes.

I will start my post with one point which I have explain the my one of my previous post. As viewer as a person we know Ishu has done a wrong with her own son,sona and with the family where she has done theft. In our thread their is a difference of opinion about how this matter must have been handled. Some of you are very unhappy with the fact that how they handle the entire situation. Firstly we expected that their will be show off between dev and Ishu. another aspect is that we feel cheated by the fact by giving the forgiveness to the ishu and making that Ishu has stole the 2 bangles and rest was done by the Khatri you feel they have given the clean cheat to the Ishu. and many of us are not able to forget the shot where the Memsahab touches the Ishu's feet. So you see this act as they have glorify the Ishu's theft.

Now I will put my thought. First of all I will talk about the memsahib.If you ask me they have shown the respective lady as the better person then Ishu . Because for last many years she was trusting the wrong person and felling that ishu is responsible destruction of her family. Theft is theft. Ishu has bretreated that family and that the big thing other then how much she Jewell she has stolen. But this is also the true fact that Khatri was and is the evil person. So he is going to act according to that. If Ishu has not stolen the bangles then it was possible that he may or may not have stolen the rest of the items. Now we will see memshab touch the Ishu's feet and say sorry to her but she say sorry for the cursing which she has given to the Ishu and her family . To the fact that she didn't listen the Dev and sona who was saying sorry. On phone she was in the mood to take the revenge when she know that ishu has hide this fact from dev. So she was sorry for her this act. If you closely observe the she say that she is sorry that "mene soacha ki tu mere sath etana bura kar sakti he" means she has done "bura "with them but the extend she was thinking was more less then she was thinking. So she forgive her and that moment she become the much better person then Ishu. She feel that because of her curing on phone Ishu was in this condition. So now dev and sona will be always grateful to her as she has given the forgive Ishu mata.

Our problem is that we all have decided some punishment for ishu in our mind and when we are not able to see it is happening we get upset. Like we feel Ishu's theft get glorified as she get the forgiveness from the lady very easily. But may be that family had forgive Ishu but what about god or in other words Wheel of Karma. He never forgives any one but the way he punish it may be different what we expect. e.g she has betrayed the family who has given her work now Tripathi's are doing the same and If I am not mistaken Tripathi will do the same thing with ishu which she has done with the Memshab in future. Ishu hide her sin from dev because of her fear and insecurity and in the same way mami and viccki's bad things are still hidden by ishu so this is also the kind of punishment only. and This will be punishment to the Ishu by god. when her act is going to affect all the handwork and goodwill of her son in future. So just wait and watch and if I am not mistaken khari chapter is not finished yet. I can see viccki and khatri joining the hands. in future.

Now what ishu thinks about the Sona .Sona has done the ehasan on her and she get got in between the ehasn done by mami and mama and eahsan done by mami. She was trying to make the repayment for the eahsan done by sona and for that she may choose the way by allowing the dev and sona to start their life agin in which she will get soha. She will try to do this lets see how the future events are going to happen. I think Dev is the first one who is going to say no to the Ishu .As he has listen the mami and Ishu talk (How much is not clear) and he knows sona has given the promise to the baba. So I think we are heading to the part where dev and soan will say no to the remarriage to each other and at the same time with any other person and only try to become soha's mama and papa at least for some days. And mean while due to the viccki's stupidity role of the viccki and mami in the various mishaps will come out. That what I feel.For Ishu mata their is a log way to go to understand what wrong things or sines she has done with dev and sona it depends of cv how fast and slow they will show this realization.

Originally posted by: jasw

I think Sona's efforts to sustain her marriage should be highlighted in proper perspective

- Sona had understood that Dev puts great emphasis on his family and mother. If mother and family happy then Dev is happy. So after marriage her initial efforts were towards satisfying Dev's family, be it his mother or Dadi Bua. Coming from a family where, when respect is given to the eldest(Dida), it makes everyone happy including DIL Asha. So she thought if she gives respect to Dadi Bua, Ishwari will be happy too. She was unaware in Dixit household, Ishwari rules over Dadi bua. So if DadiBua is given importance, it will rile Ishwari. Girls from simple family are hardly aware of crooked, mind games of other complicated families. So her whole effort of pleasing Dadi-Bua and Ishwari gone waste, because Ishwari could not or would not see and appreciate the goodness and effort of Sonakshi. So while Sonakshi desperately tried to be a member of Dixit family, Ishwari always tried to show her that she is an outsider.

- Regarding Sona's interference in Neha-Ranveer is again Sona's effort to maintain her marriage. She was not allowed to go for honeymoon and her marital happiness was getting affected. The couple were made to feel guilty to spend time with each other, thru caustic remarks by Neha, Ishwari and GKB. Dev was also unhappy because of Neha's problems. Since it was affecting her own marriage she thought of mending Neha and Ranveers marriage. Because if that is sorted then her life will also be sorted. She can spend some quality time with Dev, without either of them feeling guilty.

- Wardrobe organising was again an effort towards that direction of togetherness and weaning away an over-dependent son towards more independence, towards taking charge of himself. We can see the traits in Soha. Nothing wrong in being self-sufficient. In my family all holding top positions yet reasonably self sufficient and proud about it.

-Sona has always thought of others. She did not want to hog Dev's attention completely excluding others. She never grudged his love for his mom, nor his love for his sisters. She just wanted him to love her too and give her a special place in his life.

Originally posted by: Shaavi

@Tia. Thanks for the detailed response. Lets agree to disagree. 😃 . In your post you have outlined the "sins" committed by Ishwari. But from my perspective Ishwari and Sonakshi are like 2 sides of the same coin. Both committed "sins" against each other and ruined each others happiness. That is if Ishwari ruined Sonakshi's happiness, Sonakshi ruined Ishwari's. Both wanted to be "the most important person" in Dev's life. Both wanted him to follow their value system and considered only their value system as right. Neither one was ready to even see if there was rightness in other ones value system or not.

As you said "Repentance is the activity of reviewing one's actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs. ". Here neither Ishwari nor Sonakshi have reviewed their actions in detail during the time Dev and Sonakshi were married. When one has not reviewed their actions and felt that it was wrong, one cannot really repent for the same. Similarly if they were repenting for something else while committing a new "sin", that they were not aware of, it does not taint that repentance in any way. The process of repentance for both these ladies is yet to begin. One maybe more than the other, but both of them needs to realize their mistakes of their past actions and admit that they were wrong.

If Ishwari was wrong in not including Sonakshi during Dev's midnight birthday celebration, Sonakshi was not faultless either. She failed to inform Ishwari about their midnight plans. If Sonakshi did not differentiate between her parents and Ishwari and thought of the later as her "mother", why did she fail to inform her of the plans that she did not feel like hiding from the Boses. It was shown that Boses knew of the plan. So where exactly did she think or act like Asha and Ishwari were the same for her. Asha used to scold her for not learning cooking. But Sonakshi would make fun of it and not really take it to heart. But when Ishwari told her to focus on what she was good at and take time to learn the new things, Sonakshi became aggressive and took it as a challenge. If we say Ishwari failed to understand Sonakshi, then Sonakshi failed to understand Ishwari too. Both of them tried to accept the other on their terms, not as they were.

Sonakshi interfered in Neha's life and became the catalyst in a way due to which Neha applied for divorce. She did not stop herself from interfering even when she was told multiple times not to do so. Which resulted in Ranveer putting a case of mental torture, which had the consequence of Dev getting Ranveer thrown out of his job which could have very well resulted in the ruin of Ranveer's family. The disaster was only averted because of Neha, who asked Dev to give back the job. If Neha had not done so, then the "sin" of ruining Ranveer's family was on Sonakshi, not on Dev or the Dixits. It was the result of Sonakshi's interference without taking the concerned peoples feelings into account which caused it. Very similar to Ishwari's theft. Meaning Ishwari was thinking that she was taking just 2 bangles. She did not think a family would be ruined by it. Similarly Sonakshi thought that she was trying to unite Neha and Ranveer for their love and happiness. She did not foresee these consequences that happened.

For Ishwari her repentance regarding the theft only ended if she could fall at her employers feet whom she had wronged and begged for forgiveness. Everything else was just the trailer for the main picture. She tried to lessen her guilt by trying to ensure that no one else she knew were placed in a position similar to her. That they would not be desperate where they would have to compromise on their values. I am not saying Ishwari did no wrong when she stole the bangles. She definitely did and the CVs never showed that she was forgiven for that. Malti never once said I forgive you for what you did. She just said I knew you couldn't do such a big crime. But did not say you did not commit a crime. Malti was shown to still resent that Ishwari harmed her family. But reduced the magnitude of it that's all. Ishwari now has acknowledged that she wronged them and has gotten rid of that guilt.

In the quest of maintaining their importance in Dev's life, both Sonakshi and Ishwari became insecure. And in their insecurity, they both did things that hurt not just each other, but hurt Dev very badly. When Sonakshi asked Dev to arrange his cupboard by himself and when he failed, if Sonakshi saw that Dev lied to her and saw Ishwari as the cause of her unhappiness, Ishwari saw her son who was the CEO feeling embarrassed and insulted that he wore 2 different colored socks to office and also burnt his fingers while ironing leading to her unhappiness. The whole of the marriage time, both Ishwari and Sonakshi were unhappy by each others actions, while were happy when Dev sided by them, accepted what they said as right. If Dev did not take their side, they would become unhappy. In their tug of war Dev lost.

When Dev and Sonakshi talked, it was always Dev who talked of children, especially wanting a girl child. Yet he had to lose 6 years of not being able to see her. Has Sonakshi not "sinned" here. We can say she came back, but Ishwari refused to let her meet Dev. But did Sonakshi inform him of her being pregnant, or that she had had a baby. Couldn't she call him. I mean even after all these years Sonakshi is shown to have Dev's number. She never once thought of calling him. The birth certificate of Soha doesn't have Dev's name on it, yet she kept that position sacred for him?.

If Ishwari is to repent for her sins, then even Sona needs to do that. I feel the whole thing was a blunder with contribution from many people. Sonakshi's unhappiness was not just the result of Ishwari's actions, but it was also the result of her own actions and expectations. This is the same with Ishwari too. Both ishwari and Sona needs to meet halfway and not reject the other ones words and claim that only they are correct. If Ishwari needs to realize that she is not "God", Sonakshi needs to realize that she is neither "Perfect" nor someone who "never makes mistakes".

This is my pov. Lets agree to disagree. 😊

Originally posted by: grace4317

Timba...thank you very much for this post...Infact, after watching that 'pair chooing' by memsaab, I was also taken a little aback. Memsaab, asking for forgiveness was ok with me. Because, I could understand why memsaab behaved so. And in this regard, I would share from my experience. Every time we go on vacation, there will be an argument between my hubby & my MIL regarding taking some presents to one of his aunt. My hubby makes it a point every time that he either gifts her a saree or buys some household things for her, inspite of my MIL's disagreement. The reason for disagreement is, when they all used to live as a joint family this particular aunt had tortured them mentally, especially my MIL a lot, to the extent that after my FIL passed away she tried to oust them from the ancestral home. These all my hubby himself had told me and so, initially I used to side with my MIL. But, later I recognized that when my hubby was trying to become a better human being, I was just pulling him down. And by being so generous with her, he was not loosing anything. Rather, he was being more blessed in his life. Whereas, none of the children of this aunt is yet settled financially. It's not that I am happy that she is having her tensions; I meant to say that - whether to forgive Ishwari and ask forgiveness for all the curses she hurled on Ishwari - the choice has to be left with Malti. In the same way, if Dev, Sona & Ishwari decide to forgive RR & Vicky for all their deeds, it's upto them. I will not complain for that. But, I believe that there is a super power Who sees everyone's actions and knows the intentions behind it, who will deal with each person accordingly. That's why I believe Ishwari has already had her share of punishment - The pain she went through when she saw 3 of her kid's lives getting affected due to marriages or marriage proposals and to live with the pain of her son being away from her all these 7 years - is more than enough for what Ishwari had done to that family. And to top it all, when Sona whom she cursed for destroying her son's life and whose father was called a chor infront of Ishwari, was used by destiny to unravel Ishwari's secret, Ishwari's punishment couldn't take a much better turn than this. That's why I am now able to see the 'pair choofying' moment as an error in direction and being able to connect back with the show.

Originally posted by: Drcs

Umm..chits, that's fine. However that's not the point on the mod post I made. What I want to stress is that one character doesn't have to be pitted against the other. The thread would welcome anyone who isn't team devakshi and for example thinks that jatin and sona would make a good match too.

The point is, we need to make sure we don't have to pick teams. The aim is to analyse the show, the characters, the story and to do it in a manner that doesn't force other writers to quieten.

Do I make sense?

Edited by thedramaqueen - 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Drcs

V true DQ...if we loose objectivity yes then the charm will be lost...many of us drop only to this thread to read and enjoy the differing views of the talented writers...many a times we find the forum and the enduring discussion more interesting than the seriel itself...and your/ sam's efforts to keep the decorum of the thread is commendable too...waiting eagerly for the power charged episodes as well as thought provoking discussions