*Season 2, Week 18* Analysis Thread - Page 33

Originally posted by: aarcha

Btw, shaavi , if v look into the wrong doings by ishwari n GKB ( first , lemme tell u , i'm nt comparing these 2 ) , the circumstantial theft by ishwari was unfortunately the root cause of the destruction of a happy family ..it even caused the death of the head of that family . But GKB's house burning & other things never harmed anyone physically . Even during that goon attack by vicky on dev, GKB was against in harming dev . i'm still nt getting wat Cvs trying to say. I think, i shud stop thinking bout ishwari n bangles now , but it was a pleasure to exchange the thoughts 😊

Hola pretty ladies...I'm currently outside in a training...have to catch up the episodes and so many differing views...by the time I'm back new week would have started...enjoy

@Shaavi:

I understand that you are considering Ishwari's theft and her treatment of Sonakshi as two discrete cases, while I am merging them together. So, I am trying my best to explain why I merged them and why I thought her repentance was improper.

As my education and work deals with Mathematics (and also some programming), so I have been taught to build up my ideas on the existing lines of reasoning. Hence, I am building up on my last post and as per requirement, I would refer back to three posts of this thread series: your (Shaavi's) post on 5^th May (Week-16, pg-24, 7^th post), bashinghater2's post on Ishwari's insecurity on 14^th May (Week-18, pg-3, 3^rd post) and Suyash's post on 16^th May (Week-18, pg-13, 8^th post, 5^th point). I hope it is okay to quote, while giving reference.

Also, this is not my usual style of writing; I usually mix informal and formal. Here I am trying to sketch my lines of reasoning as one does usually in mathematical proofs, in an attempt to be clear. I hope it makes some sense. And everyone is free to agree or disagree.

1. This is my earlier post, which I posted from office during lunch hour. In later parts of the post, I will build up on this by filling gaps in reasoning. (refer previous page)

Ishwari did repent her sins in the form of donating poor people, but even that repentance had its own loopholes. Before elaborating my point, I want to give example of the Diwali night. Dev was meant to go to the temple with Ishwari for donating blankets to poor people. Dev could not leave immediately because Sona got injured. She told Dev they would go later and he should attend to Sona. Then, she saw them spending time with each other, got jealous and left for temple without informing Dev; which no doubt hurt her son a lot when he came searching for her.

Before Sona became part of their lives, Ishwari must have been repenting quite sincerely. But after Sona became part of their lives, her guilt gave birth to her extreme insecurities and her fear to lose her son to an outsider girl. In such frame of mind, I don't think the acts of donations delivered her from her sins, may be even aggravated them. You can compare the situation with a kind of skin allergy; the more one tried to relieve oneself by itching, the worse the condition got. If she could not "donate" (as in share) the most important person in her life (next to her late husband), her son, with his life partner, any n number of acts of donation for repentance fail then and there. She even ended up hurting her own so in the worst possible manner. Hence, I believe that yes, Ishwari carried her guilt throughout her life, but she could not repent in the right way. Her repentance had loopholes in them.

2. What is Repentance?

(Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repentance, http://cgi.org/ten-facts-you-should-know-about-repentance/)

1. Repentance is the activity of reviewing one's actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs. Today, it is generally seen as involving a commitment to personal change and the resolve to live a more responsible and humane life. In other words, being sorry for one's misdeeds. But it can also involve sorrow over a specific sin or series of sins that an individual feels he or she has committed.

2. To repent means to change, or "have a change of mind." W.E. Vine states, "In the N.T. the subject [repentance] chiefly has reference to repentance from sin, and this change of mind involves both a turning from sin and a turning to God" (An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, p. 953).

3. Though He commands all to repent, and punishes those who do not, ultimately casting them into a lake of fire, only those select few conditioned by divine grace will repent"only they can repent"and it's not a matter of free choice. Those who repent choose repentance because they are incapable of resisting divine grace.

4. God doesn't force anyone to repent; He simply makes the opportunity to repent available. This is the sense in which repentance as a gift should be understood.

5. A major key to true repentance is confession.

When Ishwari committed theft of two bangles; her crime was theft but her sin was stealing another family's happiness to build her own family's future. However small the amount of jewelry, in comparison with Khatri's theft, it still is a sin (and crime, in this case). Crime and sin are different in nature. Crime is punishable by law (eg. IPC), while sin by religion. Crime cases are dealt discretely, case by case, even connected crimes (by making separate case diaries), while sins can be connected, especially if they are similar in nature.

I feel Sonakshi's treatment by Ishwari is similar in nature to theft she committed years ago. When Ishwari prepared prenup document, owing to her insecurities, then also she was trying to steal Sonakshi's happiness to build her own family's future. Preparing prenup is not a crime, but the intension with which it was made, made it a sin.

How did preparation of prenup would mean stealing Sonakshi's happiness? Dev was against it, Sonakshi's father was against it and Sonakshi too was against it. She took Dev's signatures by deceit (crime and sin). And it was this very document due to which the marriage came to an end. Then, of course, there are small moments throughout the entire marriage where Ishwari continues creating rift, stealing Sonakshi's happiness for her own (They weren't crimes, but definitely sin.)

If Ishwari had a change of mind, repenting for her sins of theft, she would not have committed what she did with Sonakshi. (What is Repentance? Pt 1. and Pt 2.)

I now refer to your above mentioned post: (Your conclusion of Ishwari for post-leap, may be equally be true for pre-leap as Ishwari's thought process hasn't changed much.)

With her seeing Sonakshi check his face, her pushing Dev to come forward to his mother, she deciding to stay for one more week, Ishwari feels that Sonakshi has once again entrapped Dev. For her Sonakshi has been sent by God to punish Dev for what she did with that family. Hence when she prayed to God she asked herself to be punished for her mistakes and spare Dev.

Why would God punish Ishwari if she repented already by her acts of donating needy and poor? (What is Repentance? Pt 3.), which means all her act of donation did not complete her repentance of theft, hence indicating a loophole in that. This can be due to two reasons - first, because she did not confess her crime (What is Repentance? Pt 5.), and second, she wronged Sonakshi, which means she did not have a change in mind regarding her past sin (What is Repentance? Pt.1 and Pt 2.).

I refer to Suyash's above mentioned post. Suyash explained in his post, how Ishwari's past gave birth to her insecurities surrounding Sonakshi.

But, when Sonakshi fell in love with Dev... It was like a jump back to her past' moment for Ishwari... Instead of seeing the reality, she recognised how Sona fit all of the characteristics of her younger self who stole from her employer's family and hence, become the cause for their reputation to be ruined...

And, since, she never really could come out of her guilt, in fear of Dev's rejection, (if it ever came out), she put Sona in the her own shoes...

This explains why she was so concerned during the prenup fiasco or when Dev invested money, since in both of these situations, she felt that Sona could betray them like she once did her employer...

Her internally brewing guilt always kept her in fear that someday she would be punished for her past sins and she would lose her precious son as a result. When Sona started influencing Dev, her fears started to turn true, taking it as a sign of God's punishment (as you concluded in your post). Now, a person who repents takes God's punishment with open arms to complete their act of repentance (What is Repentance? Pt.3 and Pt 4.). But Ishwari resisted that. Instead she ended up destroying Sona's and Dev's beautiful marriage.

bashinghater2's entire post gives detailed analysis of how Ishwari's insecurities sabotaged Dev and Sonakshi's marriage.

I hope I was able to explain put across theft and Sona's treatment are connected as sins. Those gave rise to Ishwari's insecurities (Thanks Suyash) and which in turn damaged their beautiful marriage (Thanks bashinghater2). And I have elaborated on the loopholes part referring your post. (Thanks Shaavi)

I hope I was clear. This took me almost 1 hour to write after I got back from work. It is so taxing to give such minute reasoning after a long day.*sigh*

Feel free to agree or disagree. Thanks for reading.😊

- Tia

@Shaavi and other wonderful writers who have shared their views on Ishwari's bangle fest :

The way I look at it, whether Ishwari stole two bangles or Khatri stole the rest, both are thieves who have skillfully misused the trust of their employer for their personal gains. Whether Ishwari repented it all her life or went about funding marriages of girls in that locality due to guilt, is hardly any reason to overlook the sin committed!! She was partly responsible for destroying a family and putting them through misery for 15 years. I would like Bijoy to know this crime and then give a piece of his mind to Ishwari. She has never been taunted by Dev /Sonakshi /Mamaji or XGKB/Vicky so it appears that she has got away scot-free. That's an incorrect way to portray such a crime on TV which is telecast all over. Ishwari has repented but the repercussions of this crime must be big enough for viewers to understand that a crime though small or big cannot be quantified!!! Either it happens through Bijoy or it happens through Vicky!!!! She has to fall from her pedestal and then rise again.

Secondly, in our Society, it's not easy to befriend a maid or their family even if they amass wealth in future. The caste structure is so defined that it strangely never happens!! Ishwari belongs to a Brahmin family but she continued to call Malati as 'Maalkin' because she dare not address her as anything else. So I was not at all surprised that Malati called her Ishwari!! Our society has a long way to go, to let go of these hierarchial virtues and rich-poor divide to embrace and treat people as one!



-Rekha

Wowww Tia...this is indeed a splendid analysis...I have to catch up with the quoted posts in your analysis but the way you have presented its sheer pleasure to read. Great analysis👏

For someone who repents, Manu suggests a system of Prayashchit. And it is said that the best Prayashchit is to feel guilty and resolve to never commit such mistake again, and then start afresh.

Punishments are for those who are intentional perpetrators of crime. And who conduct crime despite all efforts to dissuade them.

There are many verses in Vedas .. as well as a chapter in Manu Smriti dedicated to this. The essence however remains what has been discussed above.

@cscs