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Posted: 8 years ago

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sjain

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Posted: 8 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen
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Shaavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: havima
@shaavi... i applaud your write up on ishwari and trying to understand her better through your post..
But how much ever try i cannot find any justification for ishwari's possessiveness tht dev should not address anyone other than her as maa. This doesnt come under the ' protecting my son' factor.. From where does such a thought stems from?... If possible can u explain this trait of her please.

Havish, sorry for the late reply. Dev is a very good guy with a golden heart. When he gives, he gives wholeheartedly and without any breaks. When he called Asha as "maa", he put her right next to Ishwari and did not differentiate between them. In the episode where Ranveer interacted with Ishwari,, even though he called her "maa", he still had difference in his behavior with his own mother as opposed to Ishwari. Like on the pooja episode when Ishwari asks them to eat the prasad he agrees but doesn't insist that she eat with them or show concern about her not having eaten anything either. But that is exactly what Dev did when Ishwari saw him. He was feeding Asha with his own hands and showing the same love and affection that he showed her. It was a parallel to when Dev force fed Ishwari to break her fast during Natasha Gujral deal track.

The way Ishwari saw this was she had sacrificed and done so many things for Dev to get that kind of love and affection from her. But what had Asha done. Nothing from her perspective other than Sonakshi trapping Dev and marrying him. So from her viewpoint, Asha was getting the same status as her from Dev just by being Sonakshi's mother. How is that right(ishwari's pov 😊 ). Hence she was very upset that Dev had called Asha as "maa".

Originally posted by: timbarucha83
my problem is Why mother is seeing her own child as a investment on which she wants a return on her terms and condition. He is her son. As a parent you should love your child because he or she is your child.And for one mango tree you cannot ignore rest of the plants.

Timbarucha, sorry for the late reply. Seeing a child as an investment is a highly debatable topic. Although we have evolved from animals we differ from them in many ways and to a large degree too. Ex. A bird lays eggs, protects is, gives warmth, once the eggs hatch and baby birds come out, the mama bird feeds it and teaches to fly. It also teaches maybe to hunt or pick worms etc. But that is where the relation ends. Once the birds are capable of flying and getting their own food, they leave the nest never to come back. The baby bird neither comes back and say my wings are hurt, take care of me till I get better nor I came back to take care of you cause you are sick. I will stay till you get better. There is no followup between either one once they separate. Isn't this also similar with a cheetah or a tiger. They teach their young ones to hunt and there their responsibilities end. But humans do not do such things. We have parents working hard to fulfill their child's dream. Why should they do so. A parent can say I have given you education till high school. If you want to get a graduate degree, you pay for it yourself. But this is not always the case. If the parent takes the trouble of paying for that education, is it so wrong in expecting returns. Once again we can go on and on about this topic as it is a very highly debatable topic. And there is not really a right or wrong answer to it. All the answers are right, but to a varying degree like how Durjoy Datta pointed, different shades of grey.

In that example, Ishwari did not completely ignore the flowering plants, but just paid extra attention to the fruit bearing tree. Once the tree started to bear fruits, she expected it to support the other plants forever that's all. 😆 .

Originally posted by: melliflous
Hi All,
Does anyone have insight into why CVs thought it was logical that Vicky thinks about Dev's remarriage?

The way GKB and Vickky look at things is that they want Dev and Ishwari as their puppet. In season 1, the first time Natasha comes to IN, she bends down to take blessings from GKB and Ishwari. But Sonakshi never does that. What GKB and Vickky want is a girl who is Dev's wife but one who is in their control. One who bends to their will. Right now Dev is not much in control of Ishwari. If Sonakshi comes back, the one who knows their reality and doesn't let them gain control over Dixits or Dev, they know they will lose everything. But if they are able to convince Ishwari for Dev's remarriage with a girl who is their puppet, then Dev will become their puppet. They will have complete dominance over Dixit millions and IN.

But I feel just like how all their other plans failed in this season, this one is going to backfire on them. 😃

Edited by Shaavi - 8 years ago

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Shaavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#54

A few other things that I have started noticing is the subtle changes in Dev and Sonakshi's dressing. Dev might still be wearing Jeans, but they are not as tattered and torn as they were in the beginning of season 2. Also since the anniversary episode, he is no longer wearing the leather cuffs on his right hand. Also when he goes to meet Khatri in Jail and later to Bose house, he is wearing a watch. Also he was wearing black sports shoes and not those white basketball shoes. 😆

On the other hand, Sonakshi has started to wear flats, is not wearing bracelets or necklaces, sometimes wears finger rings and no watch. Also her hair is not tousled, but is brushed(may not be very well, but it is not like how it was during Saurabh's sangeet).

Too much observation. 😳 😳.

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malikakas

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Posted: 8 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: Samanalyse
Hi everyone! A super-busy weekend coupled with an inconclusive episode and precap left me wanting to watch the show further before making any comments. Really looking forward to getting some clarity on Sona's deal in today's episode, especially in line with our discussion on the previous thread, @Malika. After her refusal to fall for Dev's drunk plea to be his white knight, I had a lot of hope for Sona's growth, but I had to admit after Friday's episode that she fell into her tried and tested patterns, this time complicating things further by bringing Jatin into the mix.

Honestly, if it weren't for Durjoy Dutta's blog, I would have gone into this week feeling very pessimistic about Sona as the flawed character I want to see. But now that our general consensus on this thread is validated by one of the creators of the story and characters, I feel much more hopeful about the story going forward. 😊

It's very comforting to know that Dev and Sona are a mess because they are supposed to be a mess! Let's revel in the chaos. 😆

Thanks Sam... I was thinking the same as you until I read Durjoy Dutta's blog as well. That gave me some hope in the writers despite the current track.

I had hoped Sona had changed too and when this Khatri track first started I wasn't so bothered by it because a) Sona felt like she was paying Dev back for him helping with Ronita's mom and b) Sona seemed like she was going to include Ishwari the moment she got back. But somewhere along the way the story ceased to make sense from Sona's perspective.

The moment Khatri made a plan to approach Dev... Sona made a plan to get Khatri arrested. But how does she go from that.. to realizing that Khatri is useless in jail and he's not gonna talk anyways? She could've easily checked Khatri's address before releasing him. What was the point of getting Khatri arrested to begin with?

When Sona realized Dev had hidden Ronita's mom's truth from them she yelled at him about how important truth is in relationships. Yet the path she has been taking here doesn't fit that at all. Its fine for Sona to now see the value in Dev's approach... but there is no humbleness that Dev can add a perspective that she may not see initially. Honestly at this point I am hoping Jatin fails and Khatri has hoodwinked them-- to get Sona to realize that she shouldn't think of herself as above reproach.

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Shaavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#56

@Mallika, Sam had once mentioned that Sonakshi likes to narrativise her story when she is insecure. At Bose house Asha took away her right as unilateral decision maker after Dev taking the blame of theft. In IN she found Dev missing and herself responsible for it. She became even more insecure when Dev confessed that he still loves her and she had to say no.

But when Dev came to Bose house after punching Khatri and asked Sonakshi to help him, she immediately started writing the story with herself as the protagonist, the brace princess(I consider it the fairy tales/princess syndrome rather than white knight syndrome 😃 ). I feel Sonakshi as a person is highly influenced by fairy tales and is one of those people who imagine themselves as the leads of those stories(I was one too and I still watch animated movies for myself as I enjoy them 😳 ). When one starts visualizing, they start telling how the characters in that story should and will behave. That is exactly what Sonakshi is doing. She is now writing this story as per her understanding without taking the actual reality into account or the consequences of it. Cause in her narrative she is smarter than Khatri and will outsmart him with her plans. She will be Dev's "prince" like she had once told him. That all he had to do was feed parathas and she herself will fight the dragon and slay it.

Like you said in the other post even I want her to fail and be questioned. 😊 I am really looking forward to Sonakshi's introspection. 😃

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Shaavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#57

Originally posted by: Drcs

Mmm if thats the case then why is he saying Sab galthi mera hai?

Before Dev said meri galti hai, Sonakshi says tum mere paas aiye the. My guess is is she is referring to Dev going to Bose house after punching Khatri and asking for her help. As Mahua said there is high probability that Bijoy comes to IN and asks her to return to Bose house as per the deal. Words fly and once again Dev and Sonakshi find themselves opposite to each other supporting their parents ending up with Sonakshi planning to leave. Dev then coming there and accepting that everything is his fault, something that he always does. 😆

Just my guess. Am to curious to see what is the trigger for that conversation.

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melliflous

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Posted: 8 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Havish, sorry for the late reply. Dev is a very good guy with a golden heart. When he gives, he gives wholeheartedly and without any breaks. When he called Asha as "maa", he put her right next to Ishwari and did not differentiate between them. In the episode where Ranveer interacted with Ishwari,, even though he called her "maa", he still had difference in his behavior with his own mother as opposed to Ishwari. Like on the pooja episode when Ishwari asks them to eat the prasad he agrees but doesn't insist that she eat with them or show concern about her not having eaten anything either. But that is exactly what Dev did when Ishwari saw him. He was feeding Asha with his own hands and showing the same love and affection that he showed her. It was a parallel to when Dev force fed Ishwari to break her fast during Natasha Gujral deal track.

The way Ishwari saw this was she had sacrificed and done so many things for Dev to get that kind of love and affection from her. But what had Asha done. Nothing from her perspective other than Sonakshi trapping Dev and marrying him. So from her viewpoint, Asha was getting the same status as her from Dev just by being Sonakshi's mother. How is that right(ishwari's pov😊). Hence she was very upset that Dev had called Asha as "maa".

Timbarucha, sorry for the late reply. Seeing a child as an investment is a highly debatable topic. Although we have evolved from animals we differ from them in many ways and to a large degree too. Ex. A bird lays eggs, protects is, gives warmth, once the eggs hatch and baby birds come out, the mama bird feeds it and teaches to fly. It also teaches maybe to hunt or pick worms etc. But that is where the relation ends. Once the birds are capable of flying and getting their own food, they leave the nest never to come back. The baby bird neither comes back and say my wings are hurt, take care of me till I get better nor I came back to take care of you cause you are sick. I will stay till you get better. There is no followup between either one once they separate. Isn't this also similar with a cheetah or a tiger. They teach their young ones to hunt and there their responsibilities end. But humans do not do such things. We have parents working hard to fulfill their child's dream. Why should they do so. A parent can say I have given you education till high school. If you want to get a graduate degree, you pay for it yourself. But this is not always the case. If the parent takes the trouble of paying for that education, is it so wrong in expecting returns. Once again we can go on and on about this topic as it is a very highly debatable topic. And there is not really a right or wrong answer to it. All the answers are right, but to a varying degree like how Durjoy Datta pointed, different shades of grey.

In that example, Ishwari did not completely ignore the flowering plants, but just paid extra attention to the fruit bearing tree. Once the tree started to bear fruits, she expected it to support the other plants forever that's all.😆.

The way GKB and Vickky look at things is that they want Dev and Ishwari as their puppet. In season 1, the first time Natasha comes to IN, she bends down to take blessings from GKB and Ishwari. But Sonakshi never does that. What GKB and Vickky want is a girl who is Dev's wife but one who is in their control. One who bends to their will. Right now Dev is not much in control of Ishwari. If Sonakshi comes back, the one who knows their reality and doesn't let them gain control over Dixits or Dev, they know they will lose everything. But if they are able to convince Ishwari for Dev's remarriage with a girl who is their puppet, then Dev will become their puppet. They will have complete dominance over Dixit millions and IN.

But I feel just like how all their other plans failed in this season, this one is going to backfire on them.😃

Thanks for your response, Shaavi . Whatever you said makes lot of sense wrt to gkb and Vicky .
I just love how you ananlyze Dev and sonakshi's character. It's so detailed ... you are even observing changes in their clothing.. very subtle changes. You are , I guess going right into writers and director's head and laying out their thought process here:)
I am quite amazed how sonakshi is trying solve or approach khatri's issue like Dev used to solve issues. He never cared if he had to bend or hide info if it worked to maintain relationships and respect. Sonakshi always wanted transparency like the dussera day.. she wanted Dev to tell ishwari they had dinner whereas he knew even as bose's place that ishwari would be waiting but did not refuse them by any excuse ..
sonakshi needs introspection... I agree with most of you here... whatever she thought was wrong on his part , she is taking the same route... I hope she starts understanding Dev more. As for Dev, he is gradually moving ahead in understanding sona better.
It will be interesting to see how the dynamics play this time when ishwari and bijoy get into picture ... as both Dev and sona are fiercely defensive about their parents.

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timbarucha83

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Posted: 8 years ago

#59

@Shaavi Thanks for your replay dear. My point was as a human we are different from animales so we have a variour relations in our life. My point is as daugther a should take care of my parents as I love them they are my parents and in the same way my parents also should support me and respect my wishes and love me if i want to take a decision which may be he or she not in the favour but to trust me and pray for my sucess. I will tell you my story. I am very luckly to get a mother and father like my mom and dad. Like dev have seen the various problems on the same way my father also face various problems and plus he lost his parents also in early life. But he and my mother always allowed me and my sister to make my decision by our own. In case of my profession he was having some other expections but i choose the othet path for which he was not in feaver but he never apppose me. Allowed me to do want i want and supported me. If you ask me what my parents has give me the best is the they give me the right to decide my life according to my wish.They teach me take the decision and if it sucess it is your sucess and if you fail its your failure. Take the responsiblity of your own decision.

Now coming to ishu mata. She was not able to trust dev nor in past and not at this point. If dev is taking any decision without considering her from her point of view it is wrong. At the base she was very much insecure. At this point if you ask me from the years ishu is not able to accept the fact that now dev is not 8 years he has grown up he have his own life and his own dreams and his own happiness he is different from her. He is not inside her womb but already come out. So when he see the dev happy and his reason for happiness is other then her is get painc and insecure and try to console her self that what ever is happening in dev life what ever happiness he is in now is not perment. So it is harmful from for his future. Same applies to dev and sona's marriage. So she do all possible things by which that relation should not survive and for that she has done manipulations using the sheild to protect the dev's wealth she prefer to cheat dev but not to trust him that his deicision is right.

After marrige the way behave and to the level she become selfish to fulfill her dream to become dadi it was a new low. And after their sepration when dev bleams her ones again she want to save her from the blame so she convised her self that sona has left dev and it was their decision she has not done any thing.and put the bleam on sona for her and dev relation demage.

When soha comes in the picutre when she come to konw that she was the one who is the reason for the sepration for soha and dev she quickly goes in to mode that mene kya kiya and put the bleam on fate if i know that sona is with soha i had allowed her to come inside. But she forget that she is not suppose to take this decision she is wrong but she has not accepted her decision but put the bleam on her fate. Now she has convised her self that sona's return in dev life is the punishment for her theft. Theft is the only act for which she canot bleam any other person so she put the bleam on the god for sona's return and see her as a punishment. In short she is finding the differnt ways by which she can avoid to see her own karms so she can be the bubble of being a good mother.

The more she try to run away from her karmes they will hunt her more. One day she will forced to see her in the mirror where she will force to see her karma and bear the concevienes of it. Then and only then there is hope for change which will not get achive with the khatri chapter for sure. It will have the oppoisit effect. Because she is not in the state to see the goodness of sona and dev.only her rections are mild because of current state of her and dev's relation.

Edited by timbarucha83 - 8 years ago

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ltelidevara

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Posted: 8 years ago

#60

Shaavi

No better way to explain Iswari's behaviour towards Dev and his sisters than you did here. You just nailed it and presented it the right way. I am one of those who can understand Iswari's expectations from Dev and I see it as no crime. It is quite natural for a mother who has toiled hard and has three daughters to be taken care of. I won't call her greedy at all.

Right now she is worried on seeing Dev and Sonakshi's bonding not because she is against Sonakshi . She is fearing the power of Sonakshi to cause hurt to Dev in such a way by breaking up again that he will lose his zeal to live. Dev survived two break ups the second one leaving a devastating impact on his emotional persona. He drifted away from his mother mentally and physically. Iswari fears a third break up that may totally shatter Dev to the extent of leaving no chance of any revival. She is afraid if Sona creates hope and again ditches Dev what could be done?

Iswari always felt she is not responsible for the separation. She said alag ho jao and Sonakshi misunderstood it. Iswari asked both of them to live separately together. But Sonakshi gave importance more to her father's pride and separated from Dev. So Iswari has no confidence in Sona's love for Dev. She feels any moment Sonakshi will move away leaving Dev heartbroken. That will be the biggest punishment for her to see her son again in such a state Iswari thinks so. In her monologue before God she said so. I understood this way. My point of view.

Coming to Sona I am fed up of her single handed attempts to trace the family and tackle Khatri. Like malikakas I also wish Jatin's efforts should not bear fruit. Why should Khatri be brought out of jail? I agree with the views that information can be obtained by keeping him in jail. I can't digest Sona 's secret mission any more. Why should Dev be made to look like a helpless child doting upon Sona for solving his own issue? White knight or princess I don't bother but I don't like Sonakshi's way of operation Khatri.

I hope at some point of time she needs Dev's help to move ahead.But I don't think it will happen seeing the way the story is unfolded. Sonakshi may emerge winner and there ends the matter.

Lakshmi

Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago