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Posted: 8 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: dhank


Hi Tia

agree with u..firstly coz even I m not married n not a parent

but this is very common... will u not favor ur own child over other???certainly we r humans not god...we will have some soft corner 4 our own kid..

here in this case though it was very small...for golu its too big...

I m not defending dev's actions its completely wrong...at the same time.. I m sure dev will always stand by golu..2crs FD he did now right??after soha came in his life..so anyway ..dev will not do anything which will harm golu..

as far as neha is concerned she never had probs with dev per se...coz she knew ish is d root cause n neha is d one just like gkb who knows what ish is in & out...even sona knows her... right now she is blind eyed dunno why???

N I liked your teacher wala eg...bang on👍🏼


Hi Dhank,

Thank you😊


Of course, it is very common. In fact, there are biological reasons to why people prefer their own kids over any other persons. It is hence applicable to any animal species surviving on this planet. ( I could explain the process, but you would get bored😆... Refer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism, section- Biological basis as an effect of oxytocin... BTW, I had been a mathematics student)

But, being humans, more understanding and intelligent than other species, it is pointless we rob the other kid of his/her self esteem in a situation where adults can keep their partial behavior in check.


Of course. I never doubted Dev's love for Golu and while writing the post I did remember the FD incident while writing the post. But Golu may not know all that; besides he, being kid, doesn't understand money-power-politics and all that complicated stuff that RR and Vicky are playing currently. All he wants is his BigCha's love and attention. He is ready to share it with Suhana as long as his BigCha remains his. Also Golu cannot peek into Dev's heart to know how much his BigCha really loves him, he can only see its manifestations in front of him by Dev's actions. Dev being an adult needs to understand this.


I don't think I understand the reasons to your third question well enough to explain. Hence I am leaving it to others..

Thank you once again..😆😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
#92

About discrimination part, I am not yet sure. He has to pass tests for that 😆

@ Tia

I feel there is no place for descrimination here. For, the place occupied by Golu is different from that of Soha. The nature of love he showers on both is widely different though equal.
For seven years Dev lived with Golu seeing him grow up before his eyes. He laughed with him played with him fought for him and cherished the moments.

With Soha he missed all those moments.So he wishes to live his present completely without losing out on anything. Surely his craving for Soha will dominate his life and in that process Golu may get hurt sometimes.

But I won't call it discrimination . It takes time for Dev to sort out his priorities . I don't mean he should put Golu behind Soha. I am talking about issues regarding Soha 's stay and tackling Khatri etc. I hope he will find his methods to please both Soha and Golu in his inimitable way.


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Posted: 8 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: Harryfan011


A wonderful post to read, @Tia...

And, I guess, your post gives me the perfect foundation to elaborate on my previous post when I mentioned about how Dev needs to balance between his roles as Golu's 'BigCha' and Soha's 'Papa'...

And, I know that we all wish to see Dev actively playing the role of a father for Golu..

But, we are missing one important thing in our discussion and i.e, Dev's perspective towards his relationship with Golu..

He does consider Golu as a very important member in his family... For the last 7 years, Golu has been the primary reason for his connection with his family... He has also performed some duties similar to that of a father..

But, what we fail to realize is that Dev doesn't consider himself as Golu's father.. According to him, he is Golu's BigCha as well as his nephew's best friend... Vicky's absence or to be more precise, his negligence has led Dev to undertake some of the responsibilities, associated with that of a father...

In many ways, Dev acts like a second parent, cool uncle or a Godfather for Golu... In fact, his role is more on the lines of the role played by Jatin in Soha's life...

In fact, if we look at things objectively, then we can clearly see that the above mentioned role is true... It is true that, for 7 long years, Golu had Dev's undivided attention but at the same time, we have also see that Dev was never really a constant presence in Golu's life...

Till Dev comes to know of Soha, he used to remain away from his home (and, hence, indirectly Golu), for long periods of time... Also, we have to realise this that Golu was fine with the distance.. He missed Dev during that period, since he lost the only person who gave him the love and the attention that he craved and yearned for...

But, as far as I know, being a father is a 24 x 7 responsibility... You couldn't step in or step out from that role.. But, Dev seeing how Golu had a father never really actively took the responsibility of being his 'nephew's father'... He only covered the void that was left by the negligence of Vicky and Elena...

If Vicky had been a better father, then, the influence and the emotional dependence of Golu on Dev would have been less... But, that is not the case...

For Golu, Dev is his 'true family', while for Dev, Golu is a 'part of his true family' (the other members being Sona and Soha)...

On the other hand, for Soha, Dev is the last piece that completes the puzzle of her 'perfect family'... Even before Dev, she was happy with her childhood but at the same time, felt the absence of her father... Hence, her curiosity to know more about her father...

But, when she finally accepted Dev as her father, her father completed the picture of her story of 'being a princess' for her parents... While she loves Dev, she is not clingy or is jealous of Dev spending more time with Golu (till now) since due to the abundance of love and affection that has surrounded her since her birth...

We have to also recognise that, for Dev, Soha is not only his daughter or a symbol of his relationship with Sonakshi... But, more importantly, Soha is a part of Sona (the Sona that he fell in love, his Khargosh)... And, hence, his desire to know and be a part of Soha's life (as a father) makes him slightly more partial towards Soha..

This discrepancy between their respective perspectives is one of the primary reasons for Golu's increasing jealousy, apart from Dev's partiality towards Soha...

I know that partiality and favoritism shouldn't be accepted but whether we like it or not, it is something that all of us are guilty about...

@bold - Considering I am a twin... I could safely conclude that (at least, in my case), resentment or insecurity between twins really don't exist... We might slightly feel jealous of each other, sometimes, but I don't think that we ever were hostile to each other or resented each other..

In fact, we consider each other as a part of ourselves and we feel that we complete each other... In fact, we are more like Yin and Yang than two bodies..

We fight, argue all the time but we also derive strength from one another.. And, consider each other as an irreplaceable part of each other lives..

On the other hand, I feel that since, we are so used to sharing our loved ones with each other, the feeling of insecurity or abandonment never really gripped us... We are usually more confident about the people and the relationships that we share with them...

In fact, I always tell my mother that usually the first relationship that a child creates is, with his mother... But, in my situation, my first relationship is with my sister..

Sonal (that is her name) is not only my sister... She is my twin, my Yang, my best friend, and most importantly, the one person who I know is going to be my support and will love me unconditionally, irrespective of my decisions...

But, like I said, we are a part of a family where everyone loves us and hence, I think, I should feel lucky to be a part of such a family...

I am sure that there are cases where favoritism caused havoc in the relationship shared between twins but these cases are extremely rare... Usually twins are emotionally more stable than than other children and hence, their relationships tend to be more stable...

-Suyash



Thank you Suyash. Even I am a fan of your posts. 😆😊


Very aptly written. 👍🏼... Especially @Blue Bold parts.


Wow, you have a twin! ...I wish I too had one.. But right now my sister is the best for me.
Thank you for sharing about the bond between you and your sister.😊


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Posted: 8 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: dreamy.tiara



Thank you Suyash. Even I am a fan of your posts. 😆😊


Very aptly written. 👍🏼... Especially @Blue Bold parts.


Wow, you have a twin! ...I wish I too had one.. But right now my sister is the best for me.
Thank you for sharing about the bond between you and your sister.😊



You're welcome...
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Posted: 8 years ago
#95
When I was a small girl our moral science teacher had told us a story about love. In that a mother had 4 kids and 1 loaf of bread. She did break it into pieces when it was about kids hunger and related to their stomach. But when the loaf of bread is a reference to loaf, the same mother created more loaves of bread, in this case 4 loaves to be given to each of the kids. She didn't really break that one loaf into pieces to fulfill their needs. And she went to say that love is unlimited, you just make more as much as needed. The love for each person is its own and one doesn't really give one person the love belonging to another.
My personal experience, I have 2 brothers and have 2 kids. my kids fight sometimes that I love the other more, but feel that it is only for that moment. Next moment, they just realize that they are as much loved as the other person.

Here as Suyash mentioned, Dev acted in a similar way to Dev as Jotin was to Suhana. Dev always knew that Golu was/is Vickky and Elena's son. At the end of the day Dev might create an FD or advise them in regards to which school they should send or something like that. But the decision making for Golu resides with Vickky and Elena only. They are living in IN and letting Dev and Golu bond for their selfishness, but if tomorrow Vickky decides to leave taking Golu with him, Dev can try to stop him, but will not be able to keep Golu with him against Vickky's wishes.

Here Dev has the decision making power for Suhana. He is part of the team who decide what is good for Suhana and then implement it. Dev might have loved Golu and everything, but it comes with a "but". i.e. Dev is "like father", a guardian, a friend, but not a "father" to Golu. But Dev is a "father" to Suhana".

I am not saying that it makes it ok for Dev to cheat and make Suhana win. 😃 . But I am not seeing Dev discriminating Golu and Suhana in any way.

The story I have written above is kind of like the summary that I remember and don't remember the whole story. Sorry. 😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
#96

Tia..I would like to put something regarding your post about Soha Golu..and Dev

Firstly I would not call it as favoritism..Yes dev has been a person who has always focused on one person at a time which he has been doing with Golu as well from past 7 years ..like the incidents you mentioned right from Ishwari to Sonakshi then back to Ishwari then back to Sonakshi and when he had to divide it between these 2 he couldn't do it..Yes its true ..but apparently I would not compare Dev not balancing between Sona Ishwari to Dev balancing between Soha Golu..the big and prime reason of it for me is they are kids and these 2 were adults..the kind of support effort he probably needed from a 60 years old and 26 years old he couldn't get was also one of the reason things didn't work out ..and ended up failing but with Soha and Golu..Also adults demanding attention to kids demanding is also very different..With Ishwari Sonakshi he had limited ways to handle situations but with kids he has certain liberties to make situation better..Adults develop grudges if they don't get what they expect..kids dont do so..they show what they have (mostly ,except some unusual situations)

Now coming to Neha Dev situation..In my opinion neha dev situation was vastly different from GOlu Soha's ..Neha was deprived of her basic rights and needs..what were the reasons of it is a different issue all together..but here Golu is not ..Dev is providing both his kids equal facilities and love..Dev was pushed more by Ishwari not because she did favoritism..but because she felt Dev can take responsibility of the house (monetarily)..because of old style thinking( as the only male member of the family)..but she never felt Neha is less responsible or considered her less in anyway as she left nikki riya completely to her..but yes she couldn't provide both her kids equally facilities ..not because she preferred Dev over Neha no..because she didn't have option..Neha developed this feeling of inferiority probably when she became mature to understand things not probably much as child (I feel)

Now coming to Vicky Dev..This is a better example and fits the situation in better way..well Yes Vicky too must be jealous of Dev..seeing him getting successful and its absolutely normal..its not because mamaji favoured or praised Dev..but because mami fueled vicky's jealousy is a wrong way..instead of pushing him to do better..Had it been mamaji handling Vicky..he would have influenced him a completely opposite way..but unfortunately mamiji controlled his life..Even if mamaji praised Dev its not to show Vicky that he is useless but to get inspired and be successful

Bijoy SAurabh relationship..well the most transparent relationship I guess..Bijoy too loved Sonakshi a bit too much as per his confrssion but that didn't make him think less good for his other kid..he taunted irritated Surabh byt constantly poking him to be as good as Sonakshi..now its like an opposite example of Vicky mamaji situation..where Vicky developed this bitterness for his fathr..Saurabh took it lightly not developing any anger for him or blaming him for siding up with Sonakshi

Well for me atleast If Dev cheating for Soha in a game with Golu isn't going to distance Dev from Golu ..or Golu to develop any ill feeling against Dev..yes He will feel bad & jealous too but I consider it as a normal trait of anyone's childhood..Also Now If Dev is wrong or not..here I don't think so..like I mentioned in my previous post as well..He must have done that in past for Golu as well..yes Soha is his daughter and golu his nephew..but for a person like Dev giving extra attention to Soha just because she is his own blood is something not him..its unlike Dev.. yes him doing something special or trying to put extra effort to make her happy is only because he lost 6 years of her life..and wants to make up for that ..Also Dev needs to just spend time with Golu make him feel loved & give him some attention involving him in things..thats just how it shud be..like usually he talks to Golu in friendly way..sharing things with him which he has been doing from past 7 years..In fact I feel He shares an extra special relation with him..He is not just a fatherly figure or family for him but also Golu has been a well wisher , a confidant ,buddy, emotional support for him..I would not doubt Dev's feelings for Golu ever


No offense My POV

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Help help help
Great minds of this thread...pl enlighten me...what was the final convo btw Devakshi? Whose mind control? He shud be upset after listening Ishu-Gkb convo right? Why he bcme hyper? There is a disconnect. Did I getcto watch edited version or what?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Drcs

Help help help

Great minds of this thread...pl enlighten me...what was the final convo btw Devakshi? Whose mind control? He shud be upset after listening Ishu-Gkb convo right? Why he bcme hyper? There is a disconnect. Did I getcto watch edited version or what?

Waiting...

Chitra
I think he is able to go to the root cause of Iswari's dialogue to RR. It is a welcome change that brought relief to me. He could understand how scared Iswari is thinking of the consequences if he and Sonakshi come together. She still thinks they will fight and hurt each other like they did in the past.

So she thinks it is better if they avoid coming together there will be no pain for her son.

Dev thinks Sona walking out on him could have been avoided if he was able to control her mind. Till today Dev feels it is Sonakshi's fault to leave him . Had he controlled her mind he would have stopped her,then no break up happens they would have got number of kids and finally Iswari wouldn't have felt dejected seeing them together as she found them happily living together.Just my point of view.

Lakshmi
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Loved Saurab today...Bijoys face Dekhne ka tha..😆
Someway i felt Bijoy wud raise his hand...But ThankGod this was avoided!
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Chitra

I think he is able to go to the root cause of Iswari's dialogue to RR. It is a welcome change that brought relief to me. He could understand how scared Iswari is thinking of the consequences if he and Sonakshi come together. She still thinks they will fight and hurt each other like they did in the past.

So she thinks it is better if they avoid coming together there will be no pain for her son.

Dev thinks Sona walking out on him could have been avoided if he was able to control her mind. Till today Dev feels it is Sonakshi's fault to leave him . Had he controlled her mind he would have stopped her,then no break up happens they would have got number of kids and finally Iswari wouldn't have felt dejected seeing them together as she found them happily living together.Just my point of view.

Lakshmi


Thanks Lakshmi...if its the way you explained then its a welcoming change in Dev...mmm Im still thinking

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