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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

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Posted: 8 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: Aishu13
Yay! Ek aur thread!
I was studying limits in Calculus when I realized something, so during my break I decided to write it, please bear with me! :)

One of Dev's biggest flaw I realized is the fact that he is extremely guilt oriented. That is the main reason many people can change his way of thinking. If you think about it Ishu, GKB, and Neha have manipulated him to do what they wanted due to this guilt. But even other characters use this same mentality to their benefit. Recently in the Dejoy lockdown, Bejoy was able to get an apology out of him not otherwise possible due to the fact that he used Dev's guilt as a bad husband to his benifit (not wrong). Even Asha when Dev questioned Bejoy meanly, used silence as a form of guilt evoking form. Soha uses this mentality to judge her father originally questioning the fact that he is a bad husband etc. The fact is if anyone pinpoints because of him they lost an integral part, Dev will accept everything being his fault without realizing it, this reason for me is what causes Sona to look at Ishu's faults being all of Dev's, and even enabling her to "forgive" Ishu rather than Dev. Dev doesn't realize that he is just as valuable as the people around him. He saw Ishu as a god, and saw Sona as being "hamesha correct", so he simply blames himself and goes. That's why it was always easy for Dev to admit he was wrong to people who have their shares of flaws as well. Subconsciously even Soha and Golu realize this flaw, that is why Soha tells her dad to say sorry and Golu questions Soha's rising importance and not his. That is what makes his situation sad, as everyone sees this except him even after so long.

Loved your analysis. The way every one around him can make Dev feel guilty certainly provokes us to think. In all the above instances Dev submitted himself as the one who did commit mistakes. But when I ponder over it I felt it takes a lot of integrity,courage and goodness to admit one's own faults. Or some times a good soul prefers to say sorry and let it go when the person on the other side stands firm without even trying to bend a little and think about his or her own faults.

In case of Iswari till Season 2 Dev has this blind faith that she will never go wrong. Only time he questioned her was at the night of Sona's engagement with Ritwik that too in a drunken state. As of now he won't lock horns with her though he knows about her wrong deeds. Reason Ofcourse is she being his mother it will be an embarrassing situation for him also as the son.So there is no way he will go ahead to make her admit her guilt. But that doesn't mean he admitted himself wrong before her.

Dev never admitted his guilt before Vicky or GKB . He looks like he is listening but he never let their opinions rule his way of functioning. It is Iswari's influence that got Vicky a job. I feel he very well knew Vicky's manipulations in causing break up with Sona.

It is not Bijoy who made Dev say sorry . Dev himself admitted a couple of times that he is a bad husband. I admire him for his honesty in realising his lapses in making his marriage work. He proved his magnanimity by saying sorry to the father of his ex wife not because of Bijoy but to redeem himself before his conscience.. Dev willingly accepted it without ego or inhibitions.And it shows his Charecter

Soha is guided by what her mother said about her father. Dev doesn't want to negate again.It is not his flaw or weakness. It is his understanding of his daughter's state of mind. Soha is confused because she is seeing her father as the most endearing and lovable person who will go to any extent to do her wish. But she can not overlook her mother's feelings also. Dev knew this confusion and by not trying to prove Sona wrong before Soha showed how much he values Sona even after separation.He readily said sorry when Soha insisted.

You analysed Dev's guilt admission so well but I differ only with the reasoning. He did know what he is doing. He also knew of Sona's share in break up. He is not forcefully admitting his flaws.While Sonakshi like Iswari is so reluctant to admit her faults Dev finds it too easy to do. That gesture certainly keeps him on a higher level despite his rough exterior and impulsive outbursts. Strictly my point of view.I always feel saying sorry is not that easy when you know others are also faulty.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#22

I am sooo not looking forward to Ishwari's dark past unraveling. I think we understand she had a dark past.

I already respected her for struggling hard and using her limited means to give a better future to her family.

What could she have done? Sold her honour in dire circumstances? Was abused at work? Had a relationship with Khatri before marriage? At none of the above instances, she appears at fault to me.

Her fault was always being the third 'sabotaging' angle in her son's marriage. her fault for me was always in being manipulative , orthodox and downright mean to Sona. Her fault was ignoring her other kids. Her fault was continuously ignoring other kids even after Dev was settled... I can go on and on , but none of them can anyway relate to what happened to her in the past.

Is Khatri there to bring respect for Ishwari's sacrifices as single mother? Well, most of us anyways respected her from that view.

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Danseuse

@Danseuse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#23

Feels like I am back after years and I did miss all the discussions happening here!! Life is so hectic and I am glad I managed to salvage some time to watch all episodes on time. 😃

1) Jotin needs to learn to walk through the Dixit front door if he wants to prove a point. Meeting Sonakshi in the middle of the night or driving away in a car is not done. I have very strong views on this. If Sonakshi was living in a hotel or separately, she can do what she wants, but otherwise she needs to get a reality check done! Esp. when Suhana is sick and needs her all the time. Other things can wait.

2) Re-entry of Khatri at this juncture is an interesting point to note. I agree with the post here that Ishwari may have agreed to compromise, but she may have outwitted Khatri. Dev probably couldn't interpret it correctly and thought Khatri was misbehaving with Ishwari. Either way, it's important for Ishwari to get this demon out of her life. Dev lied about the jewellery theft to save the Bose family from embarrassment and here Sonakshi could do the same. When Khatri had threatened Ishwari to reveal all to Dev, I had posted that he could be Dev's father. Was he adopted? Khatri's son doesn't seem likely as Dev is the eldest son and he lost his father when he was 9 or 10 years old. So what is Khatri's secret that makes Ishwari so vulnerable? I want Sonakshi to stand by her and get her out of this mess, if any. A modern woman should be shown as taking the forever judgemental Society by its horns. Interesting re-entry!!!

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Lavanya

@KumbhkarnKiNani

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Posted: 8 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: IFfreak
I am sooo not looking forward to Ishwari's dark past unraveling. I think we understand she had a dark past.
I already respected her for struggling hard and using her limited means to give a better future to her family.
What could she have done? Sold her honour in dire circumstances? Was abused at work? Had a relationship with Khatri before marriage? At none of the above instances, she appears at fault to me.

Her fault was always being the third 'sabotaging' angle in her son's marriage. her fault for me was always in being manipulative , orthodox and downright mean to Sona. Her fault was ignoring her other kids. Her fault was continuously ignoring other kids even after Dev was settled... I can go on and on , but none of them can anyway relate to what happened to her in the past.

Is Khatri there to bring respect for Ishwari's sacrifices as single mother? Well, most of us anyways respected her from that view.

Well said.You know Khatri is probably needed to move the story forward but I really don't want to see abuse of any kind being served to Ish by Khatri(in the past ofcourse).It would be painful to watch that.I may dislike Ish but it would definitely hurt to see her past where she was in all probability manipulated and taken advantage of by that scoundrel Khatri.

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Deepa

@deepsel

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Posted: 8 years ago

#25

@Payal : Breaking stereotypes is the main reason we all are hooked to this serial in the first place and No I won't judge a mother for compromising her honor for her children, but might judge Ishwari because I haven't forgotten her righteous talks about family honors and her constant dig at Sona for seducing her "once boss" to become her DIL and her perception about how today's girls are quick to move towards another man and life without sticking intact with the abusive family! Basically such FB might make the entire season 1 of Ishwari's life a lie and full of hypocrisy and audience might hate her more which I doubt if the makers will want. However if it happens, we can vouch KRPKAB to be a trendsetter for sure !

Few more weeks and we can be clear of Khatri khaand, till then am going to enjoy the popcornic discussions here😆

@DQ : 😳 Really? Elena?😲 and you are having sanskaari thoughts?!! SarbonashLooks like I need to pack my bags along with Ishu for temple..can't digest this shock😆.

Btw didn't Mamiji already moved some of Dev's clothes while cleaning the cupboard for making way to Sona's clothes? Even if not who cares, his hair will grow long enuf to hide his muscularity parts to retain your sanskaariness🤔

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#26

He probably has a set in ishwari's room anywyas.

On a serious note, I quite like how the current sleeping arrangement has the "Dixits" on top floor and tripathis on ground floor.

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Aishwarya

@Aishu13

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Posted: 8 years ago

#27

@ Shaavi
Di I think this interview signifies how Dev is a beautifully flawed character. In a patriarchal Indian society where every it is expect that men are faultless, we have Dev who accepts blame whole heartily even if fault is not his. :)

@Payal
Di you are correct. And even your statement shows how much Dev would have suffered before. Being similar to Dev, I sometimes do the same because of my family saying how blessed my environment is and how I don't deserve a lot of things I am receiving (these are all said in anger in an well off tamil NRI family), imaging the situation of Dev being the only male in a struggling family shows things he may have received. For a guy to hate colors and not understand them, he would have gone through a lot.

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306969

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Posted: 8 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: gt2918

Well said.You know Khatri is probably needed to move the story forward but I really don't want to see abuse of any kind being served to Ish by Khatri(in the past of course).It would be painful to watch that.I may dislike Ish but it would definitely hurt to see her past where she was in all probability manipulated and taken advantage of by that scoundrel Khatri.

See , I am ok if they show abuse. But I will NOT be ok if Dev takes it against his mother! Nope I won't like it all. In fact of all the things where he could have and should have judged his mom, he chose this. That's going to be very bad.

I hope he sees eye to eye with her tormentors and says"So WHAT? now that you have said this, I can get you in jail for all your past crimes and now for stalking and harassing"

Lets show abuse and set a trend that abuser is wrong, not the abused.

Or will we have a totally new trend where they show Ishwari as abuser? Not possible by even the longest shot😆

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_Payalj_

@_Payalj_

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Posted: 8 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: deepsel

@Payal : Breaking stereotypes is the main reason we all are hooked to this serial in the first place and No I won't judge a mother for compromising her honor for her children, but might judge Ishwari because I haven't forgotten her righteous talks about family honors and her constant dig at Sona for seducing her "once boss" to become her DIL and her perception about how today's girls are quick to move towards another man and life without sticking intact with the abusive family! Basically such FB might make the entire season 1 of Ishwari's life a lie and full of hypocrisy and audience might hate her more which I doubt if the makers will want. However if it happens, we can vouch KRPKAB to be a trendsetter for sure !
Few more weeks and we can be clear of Khatri khaand, till then am going to enjoy the popcornic discussions here😆

@DQ : 😳 Really? Elena?😲 and you are having sanskaari thoughts?!! SarbonashLooks like I need to pack my bags along with Ishu for temple..can't digest this shock😆.

Btw didn't Mamiji already moved some of Dev's clothes while cleaning the cupboard for making way to Sona's clothes? Even if not who cares, his hair will grow long enuf to hide his muscularity parts to retain your sanskaariness🤔

Most of all the audience already dislikes Ishwari, even the trp audience, main reason being she puts her own selfish needs above her children. She is ready to let her son be destroyed rather than share him. Even the worst over dressed vamps of telly world don't do that. Also it is important for Ishwari's double standards to be exposed once and for all.

Unless this lady loses her son irrevocably and he starts hating her, she will not learn. Also, if Sonakshi then heals this rift, Ishwari would learn to accept and respect her.

Otherwise Ishwari is already too far gone to realise her errors. If her drunk, destroyed, depressed and philandering son couldn't wake her up, then some very strong shockers are needed

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Aishwarya

@Aishu13

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Posted: 8 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: ltelidevara
Loved your analysis. The way every one around him can make Dev feel guilty certainly provokes us to think. In all the above instances Dev submitted himself as the one who did commit mistakes. But when I ponder over it I felt it takes a lot of integrity,courage and goodness to admit one's own faults. Or some times a good soul prefers to say sorry and let it go when the person on the other side stands firm without even trying to bend a little and think about his or her own faults.
In case of Iswari till Season 2 Dev has this blind faith that she will never go wrong. Only time he questioned her was at the night of Sona's engagement with Ritwik that too in a drunken state. As of now he won't lock horns with her though he knows about her wrong deeds. Reason Ofcourse is she being his mother it will be an embarrassing situation for him also as the son.So there is no way he will go ahead to make her admit her guilt. But that doesn't mean he admitted himself wrong before her.

Dev never admitted his guilt before Vicky or GKB . He looks like he is listening but he never let their opinions rule his way of functioning. It is Iswari's influence that got Vicky a job. I feel he very well knew Vicky's manipulations in causing break up with Sona.

It is not Bijoy who made Dev say sorry . Dev himself admitted a couple of times that he is a bad husband. I admire him for his honesty in realising his lapses in making his marriage work. He proved his magnanimity by saying sorry to the father of his ex wife not because of Bijoy but to redeem himself before his conscience.. Dev willingly accepted it without ego or inhibitions.And it shows his Charecter

Soha is guided by what her mother said about her father. Dev doesn't want to negate again.It is not his flaw or weakness. It is his understanding of his daughter's state of mind. Soha is confused because she is seeing her father as the most endearing and lovable person who will go to any extent to do her wish. But she can not overlook her mother's feelings also. Dev knew this confusion and by not trying to prove Sona wrong before Soha showed how much he values Sona even after separation.He readily said sorry when Soha insisted.

You analysed Dev's guilt admission so well but I differ only with the reasoning. He did know what he is doing. He also knew of Sona's share in break up. He is not forcefully admitting his flaws.While Sonakshi like Iswari is so reluctant to admit her faults Dev finds it too easy to do. That gesture certainly keeps him on a higher level despite his rough exterior and impulsive outbursts. Strictly my point of view.I always feel saying sorry is not that easy when you know others are also faulty.

Di don't know your name, sorry! :)
Haan di you are right. But I will try to see if this makes more sense, he actually does get affected by GKB guiltily, although not in major functionality like you said. Di, there was one episode where GKB usurp money from Dev for dresses and education, I don't remember exactly. But what you said about Soha is correct, I was off there! :) In Bejoy's case, I think him affirming was the guilt he was facing. Until Sona came into the picture, Dev never felt guilty in fact he blamed Sona for part of it. He did not realize the pain she felt until Soha became is daughter. That's when he realized, in a way, that Sona became a situation like his mom and called himself a nikamma pathi. The interaction with Bejoy also opened another pain of watching someone you love lose something precious like Ishu did when his dad died. If you think about it, that is when he actually said sorry to a Bose for break up.

That is what is beautiful about Dev, he does not have a large male ego nor inhibitions. The fact is that he is an innocent person. This causes him to be easily manipulated, as people exploit his innocence and quality of self blame.