Dev & Devdas!!! - Page 4

Originally posted by: tia.o

I agree that Sonakshi made mistakes. In fact I wrote in my posts about them as well. I also wrote that she forgot her self-worth in love. Even I wrote in my post when Sonakshi said that she wants to give a child to Ishwari that she wants to get Ishwari's approval through her baby. But didn't Dev go behind Sonakshi's back tried to arrange fertility treatment for the same reason? Maintaining Ishwari's approval for Sonakshi?

Regarding fertility treatment he was wrong(gigantic proportions),but his intentions were to maintain Ish and Sona's bond.And trust me during those days I just wanted the whole thing to just blow up in Dev's face.The Ish -SOna love was very toxic for me.I hated that bond more than Is-Dev bond,coz it was nothing but for self seeking.I was amazed as to how a educated and strong woman like Sona could not see through that.I used to cringe seeing the dumb Sona.Another mistake by the CVs.

I am not saying that Dev giving money to Saurabh was wrong. But when his in-laws were being called thief, frauds, using their daughter to get money, all he could do was stammer like he did some big mistake for giving money to his brother-in-law? Not to mention, he told Bijoy, the man who was called a thief in front of him, "Why are you making such a big deal of it."

Yep,there he was wrong and I was happy when Sona walked out of that house.I did not want them to reconcile unless and until Dev grows some sense to inculcate a bit of empathy.

Would he tell his mother the same thing if someone calls her thief and fraud and she gets upset?

No he definitely would not,but that's why they say blood is thicker than water.

Sonakshi treated his family like hers. She didn't treat his sisters any differently than Elena, his mother any differently than her own parents. But Dev always prioritized his mother over everyone. That is not how a marriage works.

Yep Dev prioritized and Sona's fault was that she did not.She just kept giving and giving and Dev took her for granted.Even while returning the cheque,she was very soft towards Ish which I feel was not needed.She broke only when Ish asked for divorce.

U remember during the Aunty fiasco Sona was bang on there and it ended on a positive note,had she done that during the innumerable taunts,insults and when their bedroom secrets where being made dining room discussions she would have her marriage today.

Tia -A strong woman always does not need her mans back.She can fight her own battles.This is my pov strictly but I feel Sona was dumb enough to not notice how the entire Dixit clan saw her.

And if she had walked out of the mad house earlier,Dev would have come back running to her,coz no matter how much he considers Ish as God he could not live without Sona.

Given all this Im a Sona rooter.I love her personality,I in fact was dissapointed with the mess she had become in the marriage.

He had to be separated from Soha because he threw a signed pre-nup without reading to his wife and he attacked her sacrifices, her love, her womanhood after which no woman who ever look back to the man who is so vicious.

If you want to know what a man in love should have behaved, read this.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4790613

Dev had never tried to understand Sonakshi's pain, her suffering. Romancing wife in the bedroom doesn't make up for her daily humiliation in the living room.

Yep ur rite,he was so caught up in the whole thing,that he failed to understand his wifes pain.But for me the culprit is always Ish.I mean which mother runs away from home,blackmails her son and demands him to accept her condition for returning home,that too when she should have supported him for not being able to be a father.

Is it any surprise that Dev turned out like this.Ish did not give any choices and given the history of Ish's melodramatic faints,Dev was bound to succumb.

Wonder why she does not try that now?? or did she try and failed ??

And I agree. I don't want Sonakshi to turn Miss goody two shoes. I want her to answer back any taunts coming her way.

However I don't see how Sonakshi being away from Dev is a punishment for Dev. He has her replacement and many of them. He can continue his happy life as is.

Sex and love are always not the same,u can have sex without love,so I dont agree here.And I dont think hes happy either.

However, if Sonakshi has to accept him after knowing his past, he has to do the same with Sonakshi's past affairs. But I doubt Dev has the heart big enough for that, so Sonakshi doesn't have to either.

This is too much for Indian Tv Tia.dont you think so,They get scared to show a kick ass bahu,why do u think they made Sona into a single Mom,coz a bahu never questions her sasuraal.Shes a sacrificing devi.Thats some unwritten law in Hindi soap guide.

But don't worry, knowing CVs, your wish is going to come true.

Originally posted by: gemini54

Tia an awesome post as usual. I have read the hindi translation of this book as part of college. For me he is not very inspiring as a tragic hero..he did not have guts to stand up for what he wanted, tried to take the easy way out, drowned in drinks ..and the rest is history.

However, I liked that the author really did not show him great just portrayed him as a character flawed. We can sympathize with him for his plight..but in real life is he a great lover is something debatable.

Here too in this story we can maybe sympathize with Dev for his tough past and his mommy dearest but can that excuse him for all his behaviors I don't think so..because at some point of time you do need to take a stand in life and show yourself the mirror instead of always blaming others for the misfortunes...and that is called Growing Up

Originally posted by: Push-pull

Enjoyed reading this post.. 😃

I'm not in favor of Devdas either as a lover or as a character.. So not much to comment on him.. But reading your post I wanted to reply for Dev..

I can't even give the credit of being a complicated character to Dev Dixit 😆. He thinks he's the most complicated but to me he appears to be the most confused guy who doesn't know what he wants from life.. And because he's confused and with an added state of being emotionally weak person, he blames everyone around for his fear of admitting his inabilities.. Because he has no capacity to fix his own confusions and weaknesses it's easy for him to blame the love that he has for everyone as the reason..🥱

To be honest he's not at all fit for a marriage that too with a girl like Sonakshi.. He should either have been left without a marriage or taken a support from a mistress who can destress him as and when needed.. And if Ishu gets to know about it he can always stop visiting her.. Then after a cooldown period can pick another one or continue with the same as per his wish.

Sonakshi is equally to be blamed in choosing Dev as her love partner.. Her love story needed some Prince charming to which Dev is not at all a suitable candidate.. She overestimated her love for him thinking that he will become the hero of her love story and forgot her role of being the saviour to his pitiful state.. Instead of being there for him like a mistress to release his mental tensions he's put through, she behaved like a well-wisher wanting him to de-stress on his own.. All he wanted was someone all for himself whom he can drop off just like that if his line of gratitude deserving people asks him to... Too bad that Sonakshi didn't fit that bill of his.. She's too hyper for him..😆

Originally posted by: IFfreak

Aaah.. after reading well worded essays on Dev(no offence to the fabulous writers), this is where I find solace.
Absolutely resonates with my thoughts. If not a mistress coz well that's not very snaskari, Dev should have married a female similar to maamiji. Then he would constantly have to shut her up like Mamaji does and it would have made Ishwari happy! Also someone like mamiji who has nothing to give anyone, would not mind that treatment and they would all live bickering ever after...

Originally posted by: IFfreak

@PP- I don't think Dev is an ideal follower of Mamaji. For example, there was just once when Sona lost her cool and that was when she came with check of 4.5 crores. and she received a 'get out'

Mamaji would only mildly snub Mamiji who would hurl venom around. Not once he verbally abused her to the extent Dev did to Sonakshi, who, I feel was still being very respectful to people around.

Imagine if every evening Snakshi would sit with a list of abuses hurled at her from Mamji, Mataji and Neha... kabka get out ho gaya hota 😆 . Dev is not a 'Shut up' person. He is capable of slapping and throwing out.
Bechare Mamaji is a gentlemen.

What I meant was only someone useless like Mamij can survive there. Sonakshi is too good and hence unfit.

Originally posted by: ElMystique

Hey Tia ! Loved your post

I have watched Bansali's Devdas and was quite depressed.

Devdas isn't merely an angry young man who is a pampered child and gets his way through a lot of issues.The complexity of the character is immense yet one thing that could be learnt from the novel is use of opportunities for redemption .Life isn't all hard ,harsh and brutal in fact every person gets fair enough chances to move on and lead a better life.

I strongly condemn glorifying characters who have failed in life.

For instance , if a person wants to pursue law ,doesn't qualify ,for some reason have taken his initial stages of education for granted and haven't qualified .Once your age limit to apply for the re-exam has crossed whats the point pining ?

Make hay while the sun shines .What's the point of holding leaves after your hand is already burnt?

Now that doesn't mean one would get into depression and give upon life while there are ample opportunities to move on successfully in life.Even if one gets into depression the doesn't mean they would never cure it .

I will call it foolishness.

Being adamant is acceptable but foolishness on the name of "Love" and giving it the name of deewangi and glorifying them as the greatest lovers is a big NO for me .

I somehow do not like this character DEVDAS at all .Sorry for being rude .But repenting once things are destroyed is useless. A lot of people say he is complex character and you need to understand .I don't deny that he loved her and his reactions at every instant had strong undercurrents mostly governed by intense emotions but that surely doesn't give any reason to glorify him as a lover.

He is like this child who despite of warning broke his favourite toy and couldn't understand his mistake .Once he realised it was his mistake his ego couldn't let him accept his mistake which lead him to take extreme steps of self torture.Its like if I have done it I shall pay for it by tormenting myself to an extent none deserve .But actually his main problem is unable to accept his own folly . I have seen over pampered children behave that way .This is a serious problem which must be condemned right in the childhood.

Glorification of such things on the name of Love is not acceptable at all.

PS:I don't mean to demean the author I personally hold immense respect for him .My opinions are only on the character and I don't mean to hurt any fans as well.