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Posted: 8 years ago
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First of all I am very thankful to u tia. As u have read the actual novel in films they change the storylines. Si my qs is here too dev's mom nd family disputes led to separation on dev-paro. But I wanna ask that was dev's mom possessive abt dev like ishu. I know her problem with Paro was with her caste not with herself.
But there dev was rebellious from begining but here dev was not rebellious as in devdas novel after separation dev too become changed character of drunkard nd surrounded by girls like our dev too.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you.

You are right. In the book, Devdas's mother did not have problem with Paro, but the fact that she was from a lower caste. That's the same issue Devdas's father had with Paro as well. In fact, Devdas's mother was a good mother-in-law to her daughter-in-law, Devdas's brother's wife. She even liked Paro as she was, just not as her daughter-in-law. There's the one similarity with Ishwari as well who liked Sonakshi but not as Dev's wife.

Devdas didn't like his dad. His dad was a hard taskmaster and a harsh man. So everytime he increased pressure on Dev, he used to run away and hide and only Paro knew where he went. So Devdas's mother used to ask Paro to get him back. To curb Devdas's rebellion, his father sent him to London for studies while Paro waited for him patiently. Devdas lived a typical bachelor's life in abroad. When he came back and met a grown up Paro again, he initially didn't know her importance in his life. It wasn't until he rejected her love and left for Kolkata after a major fight with his dad, that he realized that he loves Paro (Kind of like tu mujh mein mujhse jyada hain). But it was too late by then.

So no, the background is not identical nor similar.

The similarities comes from the fact that like Dev, Devdas took Paro's love and devotion for granted. Because that's how their equation had been.

When they were young, Devdas used to downright abuse Paro because he knew that regardless how much she fights with him or cry or get angry, the next moment he crooks his finger, she will come running.

He always thought that he has the right over her but he never gave the same right to her until he lost her.

But the power Devdas had over Paro, was not his to take, but hers to give. She willingly handed him the power over her and when she felt that she was worthless in his life, she took it back.

Devdas did not expect that. He thought that whenever he is ready, Paro will be there waiting for him like before and when it did not happen as he expected, when she refused to break her commitment, he got so angry that he made a scar on her face.

He never thought Paro will value her words, her commitment and her family over him. But the moment he saw blood running down her face from the wound, he immediately wrapped up the wound and said, "You are so beautiful Paro like a moon. You will see your face in the mirror na? May be when you see your face and remember me?"...

After losing Paro, Dev gave all rights over him to Paro to the point that Devdas's mother had to come begging to Paro to find Dev and talk to him.

That's not how the story is going in the show. But I feel the characters were similar even though the circumstances are different.

Originally posted by: Sargesh

First of all I am very thankful to u tia. As u have read the actual novel in films they change the storylines. Si my qs is here too dev's mom nd family disputes led to separation on dev-paro. But I wanna ask that was dev's mom possessive abt dev like ishu. I know her problem with Paro was with her caste not with herself.

But there dev was rebellious from begining but here dev was not rebellious as in devdas novel after separation dev too become changed character of drunkard nd surrounded by girls like our dev too.

Edited by tia.o - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Such an amazing post Tia . You never cease to surprize me.
You know being a Bengali and a staunch SharatChandra ji's fan at that ( he's , till date , my favorite writer , I've read each of his writings at least 50 times , and still can read them and still find new deep meanings in each page and wonder at the richness depth yet absolute realism of the character presentation and unique story telling . ) , I'd still say Devdas was one of his weak pieces ( if such a word even be used for a maestro like Sharat Chandra. ) And that's because of Devdas's character. I read the novel for the 1st time when I was really very young and I remember feeling really annoyed at Devdas's right actions in wrong timing and wrong actions in right timing . It was unbearable to read how his inherent impulsiveness indecision and weakness tore apart 3 lives , so much collateral damage !
It was so frustrating a read.
But yes as I grew up , and read the novel again and again, I realized not every people have the same emotional strength same decision making capacity or the same personality strength . and it's ok. After all the fingers of the hand are not of same size. God has created a variety a people on Earth, some strong , some weak.
Yes you're right that Paro was always so much stronger emotionally , she'd the strength to face her life and live with the commitments the promises she's made and fulfill all her duties and some what find peace . Her resilence , her forgiveness but yet her self -respect and sense righteousness was intact from beginning to end never once did she swayed from her dignity.
Devdas destroyed himself completely , but since he was in love , we consider him like an incense who burned to give fragrance , though the actual fragrant characters were Chandramukhi and Parvati . We felt pity at his heart wrenching death , and it makes us glorify his weakness.
Among Dev and Sona , Sona is the much more righteous perfect and much stronger personality emotionally , Dev is weak so so weak . But you're right , there's only one way Dev could become an immortal lover ( because deep down we all are sentimental romantic fools aren't we ) , if he completely destroys himself in love and still gets nothing in return , unless and untill Karma gives him his due and he accepts it and let the doom take him , just like Devdas accepted it , I don't know about Sona , at least I'll never take his name in the same breath as with an iconic character like devdas.
Devdas's total destruction by himself and by fate were his saving grace , let;s never ever forget that.
Let Sonakshi never return to him , let him be forever alone , though they can show Soha and Sona feeling bad for him and having love for him in their hearts , but he must not be reunited with them. Let Karma be brutal with him , he has earned it .
Then only he'll be a true Modern Devdas.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#14
Thanks Doc. I didn't know you are also a Bong. Guddi (Pehchaan Kaun) is Bong too. Bong connection. 🤗

Yes, I totally understand what you are saying. Because of Devdas's many weaknesses, I also didn't like the story when I read it the first time as a young girl. I kept thinking what kind of hero is this? Why am I reading the story of a loser?

My favourite story was "Chandranath". Do you remember that one? Simply because Chandranath married his wife without knowing who she was and what was her past. When he found out her past, the wife left him. She was pregnant then. He regretted not stopping her and kept looking for her. He didn't marry nor he went astray. Once day he found her and the son he never knew and he asked them to come back because he still and only loved her. I found that lot more romantic and respectable leads.

Not to mention, both husband and wife acknowledged their mistakes (hers for hiding her past and his for letting such a trivial thing to matter more than his love) which for me was more fair and respectful way to fix problems.

Even though the story of Devdas was in Devdas's name and the story was essentially about him, I found more respect for Paro and Chandramukhi. Simply because they had the courage to love, go after that love and also continue on when they didn't get that love.

In comparison Devdas seemed to me someone who always wanted what he had lost and never took care of what he had in the present.

I personally believe living in the present and plan for the future. I don't believe in looking back and waste my time moaning over past. My belief is that people who keep looking back, never live in the present and never move forward. So Devdas didn't resonate with me as a young girl reading the book.

But as I grew up and read them again, like you, I saw the layers in the character. I still couldn't respect the character, I still don't. But I understood him and forgave him.

Because he is human and humans make mistakes. He lived his punishment, may be a harsher one than he should have got and he realized his mistakes.

His punishment didn't come from anyone else, but he did his own penance.

You can't hold anger and hatred for him after that.

If Dev had acknowledged his mistakes and had taken accountability for his actions, I would have been able to forgive him as would Sonakshi.

But it's hard to forgive jerks and that's how Dev is behaving these days.

And as I said and you also mentioned, Dev has to be completely destroyed to atone for his mistakes and to be forgiven but the destruction has to come from him because atonement should come from within.


Originally posted by: Lady_Macbeth

Such an amazing post Tia . You never cease to surprize me.

You know being a Bengali and a staunch SharatChandra ji's fan at that ( he's , till date , my favorite writer , I've read each of his writings at least 50 times , and still can read them and still find new deep meanings in each page and wonder at the richness depth yet absolute realism of the character presentation and unique story telling . ) , I'd still say Devdas was one of his weak pieces ( if such a word even be used for a maestro like Sharat Chandra. ) And that's because of Devdas's character. I read the novel for the 1st time when I was really very young and I remember feeling really annoyed at Devdas's right actions in wrong timing and wrong actions in right timing . It was unbearable to read how his inherent impulsiveness indecision and weakness tore apart 3 lives , so much collateral damage !
It was so frustrating a read.

But yes as I grew up , and read the novel again and again, I realized not every people have the same emotional strength same decision making capacity or the same personality strength . and it's ok. After all the fingers of the hand are not of same size. God has created a variety a people on Earth, some strong , some weak.
Yes you're right that Paro was always so much stronger emotionally , she'd the strength to face her life and live with the commitments the promises she's made and fulfill all her duties and some what find peace . Her resilence , her forgiveness but yet her self -respect and sense righteousness was intact from beginning to end never once did she swayed from her dignity.
Devdas destroyed himself completely , but since he was in love , we consider him like an incense who burned to give fragrance , though the actual fragrant characters were Chandramukhi and Parvati . We felt pity at his heart wrenching death , and it makes us glorify his weakness.
Among Dev and Sona , Sona is the much more righteous perfect and much stronger personality emotionally , Dev is weak so so weak . But you're right , there's only one way Dev could become an immortal lover ( because deep down we all are sentimental romantic fools aren't we ) , if he completely destroys himself in love and still gets nothing in return , unless and untill Karma gives him his due and he accepts it and let the doom take him , just like Devdas accepted it , I don't know about Sona , at least I'll never take his name in the same breath as with an iconic character like devdas.
Devdas's total destruction by himself and by fate were his saving grace , let;s never ever forget that.
Let Sonakshi never return to him , let him be forever alone , though they can show Soha and Sona feeling bad for him and having love for him in their hearts , but he must not be reunited with them. Let Karma be brutal with him , he has earned it .
Then only he'll be a true Modern Devdas.

Edited by tia.o - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zeddriz7

Interesting post !

Well, I can't see any way Dev's redemption is possible after what has happened after leap.. But I get this weird feeling that his redemption may be shown by an incident where Sona is in danger (possibly kidnapping, accident etc) and Dev comes and saves her... This can be shown as a reason Sona will start falling for Dev and Dev also start realizing..

As much as this looks convincing and apt, I wish this doesn't happen in our show... I mean this is the oldest trick in the book.. Happened numerous times in TV and movies.. I hope his redemption is shown in a unique way and not by any obvious route.. 😕

Sorry for being so pessimistic but I am not even sure CVs are thinking of any redemption for Dev. So much humiliation happened with Sonakshi in Dixit house and in the end what did cvs show - misunderstanding of Dev and Sonakshi and showing it such that its the mistake of both Sonakshi and Dev and they (cvs) made everybody forget what happened with Sonakshi since their first break up and made everyone focus only on what happened on the episode 229 (last episode of season 1) ie. who said what. One has to question the happenings in the past that made Sonakshi loose trust towards the end, that's fundamental. Even now so many twists which are going to happen because of Vicky and co which might lead to more bitterness and blame gaming that cvs will make everybody forget the real, basic and underlying problem for all these happenings. I hope I am proven wrong.
Edited by fandw - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: tia.o

<font color="#990000" size="3">Thanks Doc. I didn't know you are also a Bong. Guddi (Pehchaan Kaun) is Bong too. Bong connection.🤗</font>

<font size="3" color="#990000">Yes, I totally understand what you are saying. Because of Devdas's many weaknesses, I also didn't like the story when I read it the first time as a young girl. I kept thinking what kind of hero is this? Why am I reading the story of a loser?</font>

<font size="3" color="#990000">My favourite story was "Chandranath". Do you remember that one? Simply because Chandranath married his wife without knowing who she was and what was her past. When he found out her past, the wife left him. She was pregnant then. He regretted not stopping her and kept looking for her. He didn't marry nor he went astray. Once day he found her and the son he never knew and he asked them to come back because he still and only loved her. I found that lot more romantic and respectable leads.</font>

<font size="3" color="#990000">Not to mention, both husband and wife acknowledged their mistakes (hers for hiding her past and his for letting such a trivial thing to matter more than his love) which for me was more fair and respectful way to fix problems.</font>

<font size="3" color="#990000">Even though the story of Devdas was in Devdas's name and the story was essentially about him, I found more respect for Paro and Chandramukhi. Simply because they had the courage to love, go after that love and also continue on when they didn't get that love.</font>

<font size="3" color="#990000">In comparison Devdas seemed to me someone who always wanted what he had lost and never took care of what he had in the present.</font>

<font size="3" color="#990000">I personally believe living in the present and plan for the future. I don't believe in looking back and waste my time moaning over past. My belief is that people who keep looking back, never live in the present and never move forward. So Devdas didn't resonate with me as a young girl reading the book.</font>

<font color="#990000" size="3">But as I grew up and read them again, like you, I saw the layers in the character. I still couldn't respect the character, I still don't. But I understood him and forgave him.</font>

<font color="#990000" size="3">Because he is human and humans make mistakes. He lived his punishment, may be a harsher one than he should have got and he realized his mistakes.</font>

<font color="#990000" size="3">His punishment didn't come from anyone else, but he did his own penance.</font>

<font color="#990000" size="3">You can't hold anger and hatred for him after that.</font>

<font color="#990000" size="3">If Dev had acknowledged his mistakes and had taken accountability for his actions, I would have been able to forgive him as would Sonakshi.</font>

<font color="#990000" size="3">But it's hard to forgive jerks and that's how Dev is behaving these days.</font>

<font color="#990000" size="3">And as I said and you also mentioned, Dev has to be completely destroyed to atone for his mistakes and to be forgiven but the destruction has to come from him because atonement should come from within.</font>





woah so many bongs here
I am also a bong
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Beautiful Post Tia.. I didn't realize the similarities until you pointed out... Hmm.. no wonder there was a significant mention of the same during Dev ki Deewangi...
**mind ticking away... thinking...**


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you. I just thought Dev's attitude is too erratic and self-destructive to be anything but bordering on obsession. Since CVs are not turning him into a villain, they must be planning to turn him into a flawed anti-hero. Because as he stands now, he is pretty much unforgivable. The only way he can redeem himself is through atonement and self-realization and self-inflicted punishment.

Originally posted by: fanktlk

Beautiful Post Tia.. I didn't realize the similarities until you pointed out... Hmm.. no wonder there was a significant mention of the same during Dev ki Deewangi...

**mind ticking away... thinking...**


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Reserved.

Feels great to see SO many bongs around :D Feeling home <3.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Wow I really liked this post Tia ⭐️ Your comparison seems to be very apt, now that I think of Devdas!! After friday's precap Dev's struggle to overcome his split personality can definitely be viewed as self - destructuion. Thanks for this interesting perspective !!

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