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Posted: 8 years ago
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Today I was reading some comments. They were quite enlightening.
So I had to make this post.

Here's some guidelines for an ideal, classy woman (oh yes, there is guidelines to follow for women. Men don't have any such guidelines)

You see a woman being harassed on the street by the same hoodlums who eve-teases you every day. Walk away, keep your head down. Just in case those animals turn on you. No, it's not their fault for being animals. It's yours.

You see a girl being bullied by the same people who bullied you. Don't interfere, walk away. The bullies might turn on you and that will be your fault. Not the bully's fault.

You see your abusive ex-husband is beating up his current girlfriend, you should walk away. Don't interfere, keep your head down. Just in case he decide to turn on you. No, it's not his fault for turning on you. It's your fault if you speak up.

Lavanya said a lovely word - social responsibility.

But doesn't responsibility belongs to humans? Are women humans? Last time I checked, they are not allowed to be? They are not allowed to have feelings, they are not allowed to have anger, they are not allowed to have empathy for another woman being treated the same way by the same man and they are definitely not allowed to provide help to another woman.

Because they are biased by their abuse, bullying and past experience.

You are right, they are. But you know what? No one can understand, empathize or feel the pain like they do. How can a pampered rich girl know the pangs of hunger? How can a beloved daughter know the fear of beating? How can a girl who has never felt love know the pain of heartbreak?

There's only one way. Bring out the empathy, tuck in the judgement.

I am not unbiased when I talk about abusive people, bullies, jerks. If I am unbiased towards them then shame on me. It's like being unbiased towards criminals and I can't treat victims and criminals the same way.


Here the biggest issue was that Dev, the so-called hero, threw out a woman in the middle of the night in the hotel lobby without her shoes. But the biggest discussion in the forum is whether his ex-wife should or shouldn't have helped the girl standing in the lobby bare feet banging on the door.


The said hero after realizing the ex-wife helped the girl he threw out (his concern wasn't that the girl came fighting back and decided never to be with him. His concern was WHO helped her. If the receptionist had helped her with the same information, he'd have been fine), went banging on her door threatening to break it down. But even bigger concern is whether the ex-wife tried to score points against the poor hero by using his current girlfriend and thus made him sad.



Now that's a definite priority. Whether the ex-wife was wrong to behave like a human being with feelings, resentment, anger or should she walked away with her nose in the air as a proper, ideal emotionless woman should do.


Now that deserves a round of applause.


If a woman stands up for a woman against a man, she is a man hater and if she has a bad past with men, then definitely trying to score points against them. I mean who has ever heard of any woman helping another?

A man stands up for a woman against another man, he is a hero even if he has a bad past, that just adds up to his heroism.


If I was ever in distress, I'd rather have a point scoring woman by my side, not the one who will walk away.


I prefer human women with all their strength and weakness, past that shapes their present and present that builds their future, women who are not afraid to make mistakes, learn from it and move on, yet, even under their toughest outer self, beats a human, empathic heart.


I will take that warm-hearted tough woman over a cold-hearted iceberg any day. I will take a human heart over a Goddess's disdain over any day.


I will always defend the abused, the mistreated, the victim, regardless of gender and happily claim to be very very biased.


P.S. this post is not directed to any individual. This post is directed to a thought process and strictly my opinion.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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http://www.2empowerthyself.com/why-silence-is-golden-7-reasons-saying-nothing-heals/

Silence is golden!
And I take this route after learning things in the hard way

It's so beautiful to stand out there n preach
But so horrifying an experience to be there..n go thru it

Thanks Tia for showing concern to open a new thread on this highly volatile subject
Just by a few words I write.. you certainly can't call me a coward coz people u know me.. know me as a lioness - am a Leo - so that sums up the person I am...

I will still say the same thing
If I was there in hotel
And I happen to see her thrown out of room
I would not ask her to yell there (other people from other rooms would see and I do not want that embarrassment for her)
I would take her to my room- and think of a solution but first n foremost calm down
And not being provoked by what happened.. connecting it to my past..

And about social responsibility
Molest
Rape
Eve teasing
Physical abuse

Dare those people.. I will kill them.. n not spare any even if it is my own brother
And trust me dear am a gal who has gone thru this pain n I have supported a stranger gal who was a victim due to another cusin bro.. to the extent of my marriage being at stake n relations die ... wats even more worse is the gal being so conveniently forgetful.. what pains I went thru it

So I clearly understand when to apply my social responsibility.

Peace n Period.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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I didn't call you anything Sajni. Why are you thinking I am talking about you? I wrote a general post because I was shocked to see just how many people are ready to blame Sonakshi for being a human.

I was surprised that other than Lavanya, not a single person opened a post talking about what Dev did. But every single person is talking about what Sonakshi didn't do or should have done.

Why? My question is why should a woman has to be held in such a high standard?

Isn't she allowed to be human?

If her advice is coloured by her past, aren't our advice/comments/responses coloured by our past?

There are people here who is more concerned with how Sonakshi hurt Dev instead of thinking how Dev threw out a woman.

So I am putting in my view.

I am sorry if my post felt personal to you. My post is against a thought process which always puts a man's pain over a woman's heartbreak.

I keep reading women are stronger than men. Are they? Or they have to be because no one empathize with their weaknesses?

Again as I said, it's not directed to any person in particular.

Originally posted by: sajinifaby

http://www.2empowerthyself.com/why-silence-is-golden-7-reasons-saying-nothing-heals/

Silence is golden!
And I take this route after learning things in the hard way

It's so beautiful to stand out there n preach
But so horrifying an experience to be there..n go thru it

Thanks Tia for showing concern to open a new thread on this highly volatile subject
Just by a few words I write.. you certainly can't call me a coward coz people u know me.. know me as a lioness - am a Leo - so that sums up the person I am...

I will still say the same thing
If I was there in hotel
And I happen to see her thrown out of room
I would not ask her to yell there (other people from other rooms would see and I do not want that embarrassment for her)
I would take her to my room- and think of a solution but first n foremost calm down
And not being provoked by what happened.. connecting it to my past..

And about social responsibility
Molest
Rape
Eve teasing
Physical abuse

Dare those people.. I will kill them.. n not spare any even if it is my own brother
And trust me dear am a gal who has gone thru this pain n I have supported a stranger gal who was a victim due to another cusin bro.. to the extent of my marriage being at stake n relations die ... wats even more worse is the gal being so conveniently forgetful.. what pains I went thru it

So I clearly understand when to apply my social responsibility.

Peace n Period.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Ok Tia, I first saw this thread so commenting here first. I saw the episode and before that I read the written update + some comments and was really wondering what was the need for Sona to poke her nose in that again. Now that I watched it, I have some MORE important concerns -

1. Dev threw Shruti away by literally manhandling her.. She was without shoes... My question - Had she told him 'I love you' in the middle of the sex, would he throw her out in lingeries or without clothes ? 😳 I mean W*F was that ? Oh no no, we cannot blame THE Dev Dixit for such disgraceful cheap act, we blame the alcohol, poor baby was under influence. Blame the alcohol. 😭


2. Dev's words about Love. I mean I couldn't stop laughing 🤣. Some posts on Dev being just a small innocent child was flashing in my head 😳. If he is REALLY that small, he should NOT give thesis on love which a man loves a woman. I mean I cannot go gaga over a character for uttering this word and when he does something wrong, I spare him saying 'Oh he is still just a baby, we need to understand from his perspective'. Hypocrisy hides its face in front of me if I do so. 🤔


3. Sona's interference - Oh did I miss anything ? The girl was crying and clearly a victim of harassment in the middle of the night. Albeit Sona was not surprised why should she ? She was stood up on his birthday in front of a 5-star hotel in the middle of a road for 2 hrs at midnight. So blame a girl for sharing Shruti's pain who has been there, done that. And like you said Tia - sharing supportive hand, empowering someone with confidence, uniting as a team to stand up against the bullies - are not allowed if done against women. Blame Sona for helping the girl, not Dev who ACTUALLY created the scene !! I am appalled.


4. And in this same show, we have the pathetic male chauvinistic pigs in the name of CVs who are STILL trying to equate Sona and Dev's condition QUITE shamelessly ! I was taken aback when Shruti said 'You are mad, she is also mad, and whoever comes in between will also go mad'. 🤢 Trust the insensitive CVs to show that a woman who JUST helped out on another woman or at least intended to do so, name-call them and put some STUPID lines in the script to remind viewers that Dev Dixit the BULLY can do anything to Sonakshi because it's their LAU story. 🤢 A woman can never support another woman and Shruti JUST proved it. Everyone cannot be Sona.
However, having said that, still Dev's manhandling Shruti in the middle of the night can never be justified.


5. Dev's bangling Sonakshi's door. I SO SO wish Soha wakes up and sees his father getting arrested for trespassing. All Dev's pride, pride of money, power, looks, sexuality - everything will go on a toss in a flick of a second. 👍🏼 After seeing his respect towards ANY woman, I am bound to say that this man with his animalistic behaviour doesn't deserve ANY woman in his life except Ishwari.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am so shocked and annoyed at the number of people blaming Sonakshi for her acts and conveniently ignoring Dev's action of literally throwing a woman out like that as well as abusing her. How are people not talking about that? "Oh because he was angry at how Shruti spoke Sona's words so he couldn't control." Da eff does that even justify such a jerk act?!!! If only the previous generation saw these and picked it up so that they'd have begun the equality work earlier then we'd not have to see such days. But atleast lets open those doors so that the future generations won't deal with humiliation of the female race.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Because fans have different yardstick to measure their standard.They want female to be ever understanding who is not human ,if she chose to ignore ,dare to go against male lead MCP behaviour ,their mind will go "how dare she ,can't she understand how much he "lou"her ,ya I know he insulted her ,threw her out ,manhandle her ,putting her down,but still how can you ignore his romance.Its your responsibility to understand him .he's poor guy in this don't you know.why Female lead doing So much ataychar on him,dont worry we will protect him." You know that's why indian television has barely any male lead character whom we can truly root for.all are made of same template male lead having major issues with forever understanding mahanta ki murat heroine.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

Ok Tia, I first saw this thread so commenting here first. I saw the episode and before that I read the written update + some comments and was really wondering what was the need for Sona to poke her nose in that again. Now that I watched it, I have some MORE important concerns -

1. Dev threw Shruti away by literally manhandling her.. She was without shoes... My question - Had she told him 'I love you' in the middle of the sex, would he throw her out in lingeries or without clothes ? 😳 I mean W*F was that ? Oh no no, we cannot blame THE Dev Dixit for such disgraceful cheap act, we blame the alcohol, poor baby was under influence. Blame the alcohol. 😭

Of course. It's always the alcohol. When he was calling Sonakshi names that was also the alcohol. Then why not stop drinking alcohol if it turns you into a jerk like Raj in Bang Bang Theory season 1?


2. Dev's words about Love. I mean I couldn't stop laughing 🤣. Some posts on Dev being just a small innocent child was flashing in my head 😳. If he is REALLY that small, he should NOT give thesis on love which a man loves a woman. I mean I cannot go gaga over a character for uttering this word and when he does something wrong, I spare him saying 'Oh he is still just a baby, we need to understand from his perspective'. Hypocrisy hides its face in front of me if I do so. 🤔

Nope. I have no desire to look from his perspective. I looked from his perspective when Sonakshi was trying to change to please Ishwari and didn't discussed this with Dev, I looked from his perspective when she was giving too much importance to Ishwari, I looked from his perspective when Ishwari was manipulating him against Sonakshi when he tried to take care of Sonakshi when she got injured on Diwali night.
But this guy is not even willing to take responsibility for his actions, again. Did he feel remorse for throwing out a woman in the middle of the night? Nope. Did he feel even a little upset when Shruti came back to fight? Nope. His problem was WHO helped Shruti come back and fight. Like I said do as he said, don't do what he does.

3. Sona's interference - Oh did I miss anything ? The girl was crying and clearly a victim of harassment in the middle of the night. Albeit Sona was not surprised why should she ? She was stood up on his birthday in front of a 5-star hotel in the middle of a road for 2 hrs at midnight. So blame a girl for sharing Shruti's pain who has been there, done that. And like you said Tia - sharing supportive hand, empowering someone with confidence, uniting as a team to stand up against the bullies - are not allowed if done against women. Blame Sona for helping the girl, not Dev who ACTUALLY created the scene !! I am appalled.

Thank you. When my friends are in trouble, they call me. Because they know that I have their back. But when I share my life story to make them feel supported, I certainly don't expect them to repeat my experience back word for word. If I share something that happened to me, and you tell me a similar incidence, would you think, I will relay your experience word for word? There's absolutely no reason for Sonakshi to believe that Shruti will repeat her experience word for word. She encouraged Shruti to fight back. But she didn't tell Shruti to talk about her experience.

4. And in this same show, we have the pathetic male chauvinistic pigs in the name of CVs who are STILL trying to equate Sona and Dev's condition QUITE shamelessly ! I was taken aback when Shruti said 'You are mad, she is also mad, and whoever comes in between will also go mad'. 🤢 Trust the insensitive CVs to show that a woman who JUST helped out on another woman or at least intended to do so, name-call them and put some STUPID lines in the script to remind viewers that Dev Dixit the BULLY can do anything to Sonakshi because it's their LAU story. 🤢 A woman can never support another woman and Shruti JUST proved it. Everyone cannot be Sona.
However, having said that, still Dev's manhandling Shruti in the middle of the night can never be justified.

CVs have always pitted one woman against another. That's standard. And Shruti, the girl who got help from Sonakshi, turned against her in front of Dev. Why? Because that's what women do. You know who blame feminists? More than men, women blame them. In spite of the fact that their freedom of choice, their rights to vote, their right of consent are all defended by them. Men openly claim to be feminist but women shun the word.


5. Dev's bangling Sonakshi's door. I SO SO wish Soha wakes up and sees his father getting arrested for trespassing. All Dev's pride, pride of money, power, looks, sexuality - everything will go on a toss in a flick of a second. 👍🏼 After seeing his respect towards ANY woman, I am bound to say that this man with his animalistic behaviour doesn't deserve ANY woman in his life except Ishwari.

Agree with you. But I won't wish that on innocent Soha. Watching own father falling so low is not something a daughter should have to see. Although if Dev keeps it up, Soha will know sooner or later. She is not a stupid girl.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I know. Why is Dev's inability to handle his own temper somewhat becomes Sonakshi or for that matter Shruti's fault? As you said, if our previous generation of women stood up for every female victim and defended them instead of justifying the men, we'd be living in a world of equality.

Originally posted by: AngelsFlyAlone

I am so shocked and annoyed at the number of people blaming Sonakshi for her acts and conveniently ignoring Dev's action of literally throwing a woman out like that as well as abusing her. How are people not talking about that? "Oh because he was angry at how Shruti spoke Sona's words so he couldn't control." Da eff does that even justify such a jerk act?!!! If only the previous generation saw these and picked it up so that they'd have begun the equality work earlier then we'd not have to see such days. But atleast lets open those doors so that the future generations won't deal with humiliation of the female race.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tinkerfairy

Because fans have different yardstick to measure their standard.They want female to be ever understanding who is not human ,if she chose to ignore ,dare to go against male lead MCP behaviour ,their mind will go "how dare she ,can't she understand how much he "lou"her ,ya I know he insulted her ,threw her out ,manhandle her ,putting her down,but still how can you ignore his romance.Its your responsibility to understand him .he's poor guy in this don't you know.why Female lead doing So much ataychar on him,dont worry we will protect him." You know that's why indian television has barely any male lead character whom we can truly root for.all are made of same template male lead having major issues with forever understanding mahanta ki murat heroine.


COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!! So on point! A female lead has to be ever understanding, emotionless and zip locked, because if she speaks up, she's an arrogant bxtch. The ML can do whatever f*cked up logic actions and still people will somehow find a reason for him and sympathize. I'm so mad at this bullshit!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Agree with u tia what dev did was not pardonable.It was wrong and how.But I don't want to bash him on the grounds of creative liberty.Its a show.But before saying what I want to say a small disclaimer.I am someone who believes in taking a stand.Spna was not at all empathetic or concerned towards Shruti.She clearly told her that this s d consequence of going after someone's money and charm.The old Sona would have been nurturing and caring towards shruti.But Sona yesterday Sona was cold ,manipulative(I think she did that in a subtle way)and vindictive.But I like this Sona.The one that lashes back,no nonsense kick ass one.But still I feel she was venting through Shruti.

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